Are you going to get the Covid-19 vaccine?

*I’m sure people have their thoughts on this as well and I’m going to ask that you be respectful. If you can’t do that then don’t post in this thread.

I started this thread as a somewhat lighthearted safe place to talk about whether or not people were going to be vaccinated. Since then A LOT has happened including many people feeling the need to pick a “side” and tell others what to do with insults and snide remarks in tow. I don’t ever have the expectation that the “world” would behave any differently but when I see people who say they’re Christian do the same, that gives me cause for pause.

My understanding about the vaccines was that none of them stopped TRANSMISSION. Instead what the vaccine does is in the event that you get Covid-19/variants, your symptoms would be mild to the point where you wouldn’t need to go to the hospital and/or lead to death but a vaccinated person can still contract and transmit the virus. However there are “breakthrough cases” which we don’t really know the number of.

That’s why I don’t understand why some vaccinated people are attacking and blaming some people who aren’t vaccinated. I understand that the people who aren’t vaccinated are more at risk of hospitalization (using limited resources) and/or death of Covid-19/variants just like their vaccinated counterpart who can still transmit the virus, be hospitalized (using limited resources) and die albeit at a smaller rate. Because of this, I don’t know what all the “stone throwing” is about. I do wonder what the motive and push for the vaccines are. Is it for health or is it about resources and the economy?

Contrary to the opinion of many, everybody who doesn’t choose to vaccinate is an “antivaxxer”. I think most people are trying to make an informed decision based on the information that is available but I do think it’s fair to say that information has stayed in flux since day one.

A big part of the problem for me is how this whole thing was politicized from the very beginning by the former administration who kept chaos and division going along with whatever “Health Officials” they rubber stamped for their own political agenda and possibly financial gain. I also don’t feel that information has been forthcoming from “Health Officials” especially when it comes to “adverse reactions/side affects” to the vaccines. I think concerns regarding this are real and legitimate especially if you’re a person who already has underlying health issues.

The biggest red flag for me is how there is no “Product Liability” for these vaccines. If you’re one of those people who has “adverse reactions/side affects” to the vaccines, you’re on your own along with all the medical bills that come with it.

This may not be relevant but I’ll say it anyways. Whenever I’m shopping for let’s say electronics, I always look at the warranty. I do this because for me the warranty tells me how the manufacturer feels about their product. Well when I saw there was no “Product Liability” for these vaccines, that basically shut the whole thing down for me. If Pfizer, Moderna, ect are not willing to stand by their product and be held responsible for it then why should I trust them? IMO it’s a fair question.

Also when do all these shots, boosters, and pills (I heard they’re on the way) stop? Do people have to get a booster shot every 6 months? For how long? For life? Repetitive shots is a concern of one of my relatives who is vaccinated. Also even though it had been months after they had been vaccinated, they still didn’t feel quite like themselves. So this is not a game. This is affecting our lives right here right now.

So depending on what someone’s situation is, they may choose or not choose to be vaccinated. Whatever their choice is I think people need to back up and back off and stop with the vilifying. People don’t have to go against their conscience and as Christians we should understand this better than anybody.

sampa said:

I resisted for some time because of my reaction with flu vaccines in the past the last time not being able to pick up a glass of water in 2011. I got covid-19 in April this year. I had to take two and a half days off of work and was able to work remotely as symptoms subsided. I have a compromised immune system and praise God it was not more severe. All right half marathon training the year before probably helped a little bit.

My workplace made rules that made those that are unvaccinated suffer greater loss of if they were in contact with someone that has covid-19 versus those that are vaccinated. In August within 2 seconds I had a reaction to the covid-19 vaccine and went to ER upon recommendation from the nurses. My blood pressure shot up to 174 and stayed there for 4 to 5 hours before they released me. It's normally under 120. I'm still working through medical bills and I will not be getting a booster, as I think this is proof enough is that the next time I might not be so lucky.

Still going through medical bills and trying to get approval from my insurance for the ER visit. After everything is finalized I will file with the vaccine Court to see if I can get any money back. I finally got support from a cardiologist the other day that supports I had a reaction from the vaccine. The ER doctor and cardiologist that read my EKG, did not seem to want to recognize that it was a reaction to the vaccine. The first claim the ER doctor had was that I had a panic attack, after 3 hours of things not going down she gave me Xanax, which didn't lower my blood pressure except that I couldn't drive home. My parents drove me home. It's been so surreal how medical professionals have tried to avoid saying that I had a reaction to the vaccine.

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Thank God you’re doing okay now. Knowing your own body, getting a vaccine, having a negative reaction to that vaccine, and going to the hospital only to have some medical professionals deny that you had a reaction to the vaccine sounds so scary to me and I believe you. I believe everything you said.

IMO for medical professionals to deny a vaccine reaction is not just dangerous and unethical but it’s also evil. How would a different Dr. know where to look if you had a delayed reaction due to the vaccine if the first negative reaction isn't recorded? Not to mention their denial can impede your medical insurance or other financial assistance while padding their financial bottom line. It makes me wonder how many patients are experiencing the same thing smh.

This is a good example of why people need to back up, back off, and allow people to make their own choices because we really don’t know how the vaccine might affect someone else. Sure maybe it’s only a small percentage (Health Officials say) that will have a negative reaction to the vaccine but what if you’re in that small percentage?

We need watch and pray and pray without ceasing...

sampa said:

Yes, it was and thank you.

Yes! The coding doesn't totally lay it out but it does have skin reaction. The ER doctor really had a bad attitude and did not like me. What's even scarier is that I needed a new cardiologist because the other one retired, since I had moved back into this county I went with a cardiologist I used to have. He couldn't fit me in because of being on call so I took whoever was available. Ironically that cardiologist was the one that read my EKG report and denied abnormalities. She kept looking at me and saying " it'll be okay"like I was in some sort of panic or something. It was just plain crazy because I was chill as you can get. Her staff was even worse. 3 months after when I mentioned it to my rheumatologist, she's never raised her tone with me but she did not want to talk about the ER visit. She said it was so long ago and there's nothing she can do about it.

So last week when I went to a cardiologist my primary care doctor recommended, I was relieved that he said he didn't agree with the way she wrote her interpretation of the EKG. He also treated me like someone intelligent and explained things clearly.

I have coworkers that speak in such ways of denial, and I avoid telling them my vaccines status because it's not anybody's business until the situation requires it with HR. There's too much hatred that surrounds the topic itself. It's almost as hostile as religion. I've lost one friend in June over it and almost two. They were all pushing opinions for and against. I've never had these kinds of stressors except for last year over politics. A friend from college was ready to end our friendship of 25 years because of how I voted, but once she had a cancer scare her whole perspective on life changed and we are very good friends. I was able to spend good time with her after running my half marathon in her neighborhood.

As stated above, I'm sorry to go on. I think it's been good that I have been off social media since the beginning of October. The time that I was supposed to come back on has passed, but I will take my time getting back on till I catch up with Christmas activities. I have to get back in because of relationships with my workplace and how I encourage others with their health and fitness. People say that I inspire them. Praying that everyone will be able to make the best choice for themselves and understanding across our country to put aside differences of opinion. This Christmas season is so different. I rarely hear a Merry Christmas. There are a lot less bell ringers also.

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I know that God didn't create these viruses but I do believe He can and will use the situation for His many purposes. I do think for those who want to be reconciled to Him and/or others that the Lord is right there in the midst of that. I also think hearts are being made manifest be it good or be it not so good. So that way we get to see exactly what some, especially those who claim to be Christian really believe and it has nothing to do with whether a person is vaccinated or not IMO...

I had to take a “moment” before I posted because I wanted to speak with some intelligence as well as be tactful. I’m not sure I will accomplish either but I’ll give it a try anyways….

I made this thread because I wanted us Mature Single Christians to have a safe place to talk about Covid-19/variants, if we were going to get the vaccine or not, and how as individuals we felt about that. I wanted and still want for us to be able to share and have respectful conversations on this subject.

This thread was never made to debate or argue. This thread was always and still is about sharing in a respectful manner how we’re dealing with the subject of Covid-19/variants and vaccination(s) in our individual private lives as Christians.

This thread is not for debating or arguing in any way shape or form another poster’s choice to vaccinate or not vaccinate. It's not for being disrespectful by overtly/covertly attacking other posters, belittling/mocking others, being condescending, hostile, or accusatory. That’s not what this thread is for, so please don’t bring any of that here.

Just for the record this is also not a thread for anyone to get on their “soapbox” and “rant” against Anti-Vaxxers or the unvaccinated, encourage medical quackery, conspiracy theories, talk negatively about the President (or your Country’s equivalent) and/or TV/News/Radio/Internet personalities, etc. This is a peaceable respectful safe thread for Mature Single Christians to discuss the subject of this thread and I want it to stay that way.

I know some of this is repetitive but I do feel to speak very plain so no one misunderstands the purpose of this thread. If you disagree with the purpose of this thread, please feel free to go and start your own thread. It can take a lot for some people to share. My intent has always been for this thread to be a safe place to do so especially concerning the subject of Covid-19/variants and vaccination(s).

So while some are choosing to be vaccinated, others are making a choice not to. Whatever another person’s choice and experience is, it needs to be respected. We only see things in part and many times a very small part at that, while God ALWAYS sees in totality. So please respect other people’s choice(s).


I would hope Mature Single Christians would consider and respect the purpose of this thread, praying before posting in it. We are not the world. We are brothers and sisters in Christ. Our words matter and how we treat each other matters.

Selah

JAM2b said:

I've had the first two shots and I'm getting the booster this weekend. My side effects were very minimal, and I don't regret it.

I have been extra cautious about this virus because my son has poor respiratory health and I also work as a caregiver for people who have disabilities and some have compromised health.

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I don't know how I missed your post! I'm glad to hear everything has gone well for you with your vaccinations. There are so many different situations people are in. Be it personal and/or professional. That's some of why I don't think things are so cut and dry. That's why I think we really need to pray for others and ourselves. We don't know what most people are facing from one day to the next or moment by moment.

sampa said:

I wish to add to this that although I had a reaction, I have a co-worker who has listened to what has happened to me and respected it. She has not been forceful about her opinion about what she thinks others should do, but she has focused on what she thinks she needs to do with getting the booster shot. I haven't supported in a positive or negative, but just talked about it like any of her other many tasks that she's trying to get done. I feel it's nice that we both are informing each other of what has happened with our decisions and the choices that we have made. Without making a general emotional plea of what we think everyone else should be doing. Two of my friendships, I wish they were that way but I know two people would want to express what they think the public should be doing and it's draining.

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How you and your Co-worker talk about this subject is how me and my older sister talk who is a Christian as well. I'm 59 and she's 61. I'm retired and she's still working. So in that sense we have different life journey's but when discussing the virus/variants and vaccines we don't "step" on each other. We have mutual respect for the other person's choice(s) and experience(s).

It's so refreshing when you can have a conversation without someone throwing a grenade at you or trying to nuke you lol. Especially right now when it comes to this subject.

Sometimes I wonder if in this day and age having a conversation is a lost art form hmmmm....

psalm9 said:

No. I have prayed on this-- searched for information besides the daily news and decided I will trust in the immune system I was given. There are many more like me. We have done research on vitamins to strengthen our immune systems and encourage each other. Many of us have had covid and with the proper vitamins we are now fine and have anti-bodies.

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I really understand this on several levels. God bless you dear heart.

sampa said:

That's good that you guys are able to talk. I so agree and I wish more people could be like that. My Christian neighbor dropped off a present and chatted at my house for a while about it. It was respectful. Also she is the same as me with wearing a mask and keeping a distance. She sat in my living room and talked with me for maybe 45 minutes but we were quite far from each other. I'm still not giving my mom any hugs. I have done a couple with the mask on at church with people I have not seen for months.

Also the coworker I mentioned I have noticed that she has started putting her mask on as she peers into my cubicle out of respect. I put mine on whenever she peers around the corner. I also saw that the tone that some coworkers had about the vaccine has changed that I work directly with. One of them that is a supervisor just stay silent on the topic. I walked away and went to my cubicle. Another was vocal about how everyone needs to be vaccinated and this coworker has changed her opinion since I last heard her talk about it two months ago without any sympathy of a relative that died of covid-19 because they had no vaccine. She now has changed her opinion that there are some people that can't get the vaccine because of medical reasons. She now believes it's important to protect those people that can't get it. That shocked me, but it has to do with a close relative she knows that can't get it. She also may have heard small details about me having some kind of reaction. Both of them have said less about it around me these last couple months.

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It was really funny how right before Christmas, three of us neighbors ran into each other at a neighborhood site. Normally we would have been closer or even hugged but instead we were all masked up and social distancing. It was good to see that we were not only taking care of ourselves but others as well.

The one thing that was most notable to me though was how much JOY was present as we greeted each other and said Merry Christmas. It was really amazing. The joy and the laughter. I know I really appreciated it and it really witnessed to the fact that we can still rejoice even when times would say otherwise.

I hope people are listening more to each other. Everybody's situation is not the same. I also think when people who have gotten vaccinated share that in a non-hostile and non-accusatory way, people are more inclined to listen and maybe ask questions. I know for me they're the ones I'm more inclined to pay attention to and even pass their experience on to others.