Are You Convinced?

[Toro]

I certainly know the difference between His wrath and His love. It is you who don't seem to understand that both must be consistent. Have you never read the Old Testament? Do you suppose that God changed when Christ was born?

Your theology would make the love of God to be a pointless, powerless and extremely frustrated emotion in God which is just like it is in men. It makes the love of God to be a useless emotion that can actually do nothing for the objects of His love. The Bible in no place teaches that God loves all men as His children. It teaches that He love His people.

Just so you know, I have studied the Scriptures and theology for more than 30 years and have a library with thousands of volumes, not to mention those online and on cd, on the study and exposition of the Scriptures. I am a man called of God to preach His Gospel and teach His people the things concerning Christ. I am no novice or one who needs to be taught by just anyone on the internet.

You would do well to just forget all that you naturally think about God or have been taught, since it is error, and sit down and actually read the Scriptures without your presuppositions seeking to find out the teaching of the whole of the Scriptures and their consistency. No passage of the Scriptures stands alone but must be understood in its immediate context and the context of the teaching of the Scriptures as a whole.

Now I do not desire to turn this thread into a Calvinist/Arminian debate so I will leave it there.

If you study Baptist history to any extent you will find that Baptists have been Calvinistic in their theology for as long as there has been men called Baptists.

God doesn't change. To imply that God changes is to imply that He is not perfect. What does God change to if He is not already perfect?

Where is it in what I said that makes Gods love powerless? God gave His son out of love. Jesus CHOSE the cross out of love WHICH GIVES ALL BELIEVERS VICTORY. Love, ESPECIALLY GODS LOVE is FAR from powerless.

How can you worship a God of love if ALL He holds is HATE and contempt for His own creation?

Okay? So ? There are also MANY that have studied scripture that claimed the world would end in 2000, 2010.... and thats simply recently. Just because you spent 30 years reading it doesnt mean you "get it". If that is supposed to impress me, it didn't. I can read a book cover to cover a million times. If I do not have an open heart, it doesn't mean I get it.

Nah, I will hold on to what I know and the truths that have been revealed to me, thanks. Greater is He who is in me than He in the world. Also there is no where in there that I implied that parts of the Bible are to stand alone. However, you asked where it was said, I showed you. If you want what is before and what is after that to see the EXACT context of it all, look for yourself. Has nothing to do with me saying context is unimportant.

Yet, I haven't seen you post one bit of scripture that your 30 years of study has shown you that supports your views other than simply you stating. "Nuh huh".

 

[twin1954]

God doesn't change. To imply that God changes is to imply that He is not perfect. What does God change to if He is not already perfect?

Where is it in what I said that makes Gods love powerless? God gave His son out of love. Jesus CHOSE the cross out of love WHICH GIVES ALL BELIEVERS VICTORY. Love, ESPECIALLY GODS LOVE is FAR from powerless.

How can you worship a God of love if ALL He holds is HATE and contempt for His own creation?

Okay? So ? There are also MANY that have studied scripture that claimed the world would end in 2000, 2010.... and thats simply recently. Just because you spent 30 years reading it doesnt mean you "get it". If that is supposed to impress me, it didn't. I can read a book cover to cover a million times. If I do not have an open heart, it doesn't mean I get it.

Nah, I will hold on to what I know and the truths that have been revealed to me, thanks. Greater is He who is in me than He in the world. Also there is no where in there that I implied that parts of the Bible are to stand alone. However, you asked where it was said, I showed you. If you want what is before and what is after that to see the EXACT context of it all, look for yourself. Has nothing to do with me saying context is unimportant.

Yet, I haven't seen you post one bit of scripture that your 30 years of study has shown you that supports your views other than simply you stating. "Nuh huh".

I am not here to impress you or anyone else I just stated the facts so that you would know that you are not dealing with a novice. How many passages of the Scriptures would it take to convince you? Two, ten , twenty, two hundred? As I said I do not intend to turn this thread into a debate of theology. If you want me to debate theology start a thread concerning the love of God and I will certainly give all the Scriptures that you can handle.

Moreover I challenge you to show me one place that I ever even intimated that God is all hate and contempt for His creation. That is putting words in my mouth and an attempt to poison the well.

I will tell you this, if you think that the Spirit has revealed to you that God loves all men and that Christ died to save all men it wasn't the Spirit that revealed it to you.

 

[Swan7]

So now I am confused. Why are you here questioning us? Why not spread the Gospel in the Exploring Christisnity with how much you have studied?

 

[Toro]

I am not here to impress you or anyone else I just stated the facts so that you would know that you are not dealing with a novice. How many passages of the Scriptures would it take to convince you? Two, ten , twenty, two hundred? As I said I do not intend to turn this thread into a debate of theology. If you want me to debate theology start a thread concerning the love of God and I will certainly give all the Scriptures that you can handle.

Moreover I challenge you to show me one place that I ever even intimated that God is all hate and contempt for His creation. That is putting words in my mouth and an attempt to poison the well.

I will tell you this, if you think that the Spirit has revealed to you that God loves all men and that Christ died to save all men it wasn't the Spirit that revealed it to you.

You are correct about not changing my heart. I know God wants me to love ALL not just some. However, the same can be said to you. I posted two, yet you have shown none. So for the sake of argument. Show me TWO where God says "Hate" anyone. Show me where He is hating the PERSON not their sin.

You wont change my mind, however you will have proof to support your view in my opinion. Til then its simply you being a typical internet person saying "nuh huh" (Yeah thats right, I see you as you see me..... even with your "30 years mastery".) however I have obliged your "Show me" request.

Jesus even says the most IMPORTANT OF HIS COMMANDMENTS is to LOVE the lord your God with ALL your heart and soul. 2 Love your neighbor as ALL other commandments hinge on love.

Spoiler: Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’b]">[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

For a God that has so much hate for some in His creation He sure pushes this "weak love" stuff A LOT!.

Oh so you DON'T like when folks put words in your mouth? Why then do you do it to others such as Swan when you claim as in there must be a line in those whom she sees as her brothers and sisters. You DID study it for 30 years so Im sure you know about "Do unto others".

Oh it WASN'T the spirit?
Then why does it say in John 3:16

"For God so loved the world......" Not "parts of it" or " only some of the people in it"

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son.that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


Meaning its CHOICE. NOT a case of those He loves and those He doesn't.

 

[twin1954]

So now I am confused. Why are you here questioning us? Why not spread the Gospel in the Exploring Christisnity with how much you have studied?

I do so with every opportunity that the Lord gives me. But that does not mean that I am not able to defend the truth of God when it is questioned.

My question to you was not in order to put you on the defensive, though it seems to have done so, but to get you to question your own thinking as to where you would draw the line. I do not need an answer from you concerning it. It would, though, be intellectually honest of you to at least answer the question for yourself according to the Scriptures.

Not being according to popular belief everyone does have a line by which they decide who is their brother/sister or not. Mine may be more strict than yours but it in no way makes it hate or invalid.

 

[Swan7]

Then that's not scriptural at all if I were to answer on my own accord or will. My will is with His will.

 

[twin1954]

You are correct about not changing my heart. I know God wants me to love ALL not just some. However, the same can be said to you. I posted two, yet you have shown none. So for the sake of argument. Show me TWO where God says "Hate" anyone. Show me where He is hating the PERSON not their sin.

Easily done my friend.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

You will notice that the word "things" is in italics in verse 16. The reason for that is the the translators added it and it isn't in the original. Moreover you will notice those "things" are men not sins. You can especially see that in verse 19 as He doesn't say that it is a thing but a person whom He hates.

(Exo 33:18) And he said,[that is Moses] I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

(Exo 33:19) And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

You will notice that the Lord here declares that His glory is wrapped up in His sovereign mercy. He is not merciful to all men but those to whom He determines to be merciful to. Paul also quotes this passage in Romans 9:15 in answer to the cavil that that makes God unrighteous.

(Rom 9:13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Wow it couldn't be more plain could it? But there is one more just as plain and direct:



(Psa 5:5) The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.


It is plain here that God hates all those on whom He finds iniquity. Those who are not in Christ by sovereign mercy, electing love and covenant relationship by faith. I could give you more but this should suffice. You are free to look up the context of each passage if you desire.

You wont change my mind, however you will have proof to support your view in my opinion. Til then its simply you being a typical internet person saying "nuh huh" (Yeah thats right, I see you as you see me..... even with your "30 years mastery".) however I have obliged your "Show me" request.

I have done so and now it is your turn to show by the Scriptures that God loves all men.

Jesus even says the most IMPORTANT OF HIS COMMANDMENTS is to LOVE the lord your God with ALL your heart and soul. 2 Love your neighbor as ALL other commandments hinge on love.

This passage in no way, again, teaches that God loves all men. What it does teach is our inability to actually keep the Commandments. Also it shows us that we are obliged to love our neighbor because we are no different than they are. We are sinners deserving the hatred and wrath of God just like they but God is under no obligation for He is not a sinner.

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’b]">[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

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For a God that has so much hate for some in His creation He sure pushes this "weak love" stuff A LOT!.

Once more you seek to poison the well. He does not push a weak love but a love that is backed by His power and wisdom to accomplish all He desires for the objects of His immutable, infinite and matchless love. Those He loves He saves. It can be no other way.

Oh so you DON'T like when folks put words in your mouth? Why then do you do it to others such as Swan when you claim as in there must be a line in those whom she sees as her brothers and sisters. You DID study it for 30 years so Im sure you know about "Do unto others".

I didn't put any words in her mouth I simply asked her a question. As I said in my post to her above it was designed to get her to think not to put her in a spot.

Oh it WASN'T the spirit?
Then why does it say in John 3:16

"For God so loved the world......" Not "parts of it" or " only some of the people in it"

For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son.that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.


Meaning its CHOICE. NOT a case of those He loves and those He doesn't.

Apparently you have not read the passage with any thought or context in mind. You simply find words that you like and spout them, as do many others, as though they have no contextual meaning or spiritual truth.

In John 3:16 you find that the Lord Jesus was speaking to a high Jew, a Pharisee who thought that God loved only Jews. They would not defile themselves by even walking on the same side of the street with a Gentile. The Lord first and foremost was telling this high Jew of the greatness of God's love but He was also teaching him that God doesn't just love Jews.

The passage doesn't teach that God loves all men without exception but that God loves greatly all who believe in Him.

Now I have satisfied your accusations and requests so we can take this to another thread if you like but let us not derail this one any longer.

BTW, I would ask you if you are a Baptist since you don't think it useful to let us know. Which of course is what this whole thread is about.

 

[twin1954]

Then that's not scriptural at all if I were to answer on my own accord or will. My will is with His will.

OK. Just make sure you know what His will is. That is all that I would have you do.

 

[Swan7]

OK. Just make sure you know what His will is. That is all that I would have you do.

No worries, I read the Bible and study it everyday or every other day (cuz I'm not perfect and miss a day sometimes).

 

[Toro]

Easily done my friend.

Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

You will notice that the word "things" is in italics in verse 16. The reason for that is the the translators added it and it isn't in the original. Moreover you will notice those "things" are men not sins. You can especially see that in verse 19 as He doesn't say that it is a thing but a person whom He hates.

(Exo 33:18) And he said,[that is Moses] I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

(Exo 33:19) And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

You will notice that the Lord here declares that His glory is wrapped up in His sovereign mercy. He is not merciful to all men but those to whom He determines to be merciful to. Paul also quotes this passage in Romans 9:15 in answer to the cavil that that makes God unrighteous.

(Rom 9:13) As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Wow it couldn't be more plain could it? But there is one more just as plain and direct:



(Psa 5:5) The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.


It is plain here that God hates all those on whom He finds iniquity. Those who are not in Christ by sovereign mercy, electing love and covenant relationship by faith. I could give you more but this should suffice. You are free to look up the context of each passage if you desire.



I have done so and now it is your turn to show by the Scriptures that God loves all men.

Spoiler: Matthew 22:36-40

This passage in no way, again, teaches that God loves all men. What it does teach is our inability to actually keep the Commandments. Also it shows us that we are obliged to love our neighbor because we are no different than they are. We are sinners deserving the hatred and wrath of God just like they but God is under no obligation for He is not a sinner.

Once more you seek to poison the well. He does not push a weak love but a love that is backed by His power and wisdom to accomplish all He desires for the objects of His immutable, infinite and matchless love. Those He loves He saves. It can be no other way.

I didn't put any words in her mouth I simply asked her a question. As I said in my post to her above it was designed to get her to think not to put her in a spot.

Apparently you have not read the passage with any thought or context in mind. You simply find words that you like and spout them, as do many others, as though they have no contextual meaning or spiritual truth.

In John 3:16 you find that the Lord Jesus was speaking to a high Jew, a Pharisee who thought that God loved only Jews. They would not defile themselves by even walking on the same side of the street with a Gentile. The Lord first and foremost was telling this high Jew of the greatness of God's love but He was also teaching him that God doesn't just love Jews.

The passage doesn't teach that God loves all men without exception but that God loves greatly all who believe in Him.

Now I have satisfied your accusations and requests so we can take this to another thread if you like but let us not derail this one any longer.

BTW, I would ask you if you are a Baptist since you don't think it useful to let us know. Which of course is what this whole thread is about.

Okay

First off most of your "proof" comes from old testament. I suppose if your wife cheats you find it acceptible to stone your wife, considering that Jesus came and said "He who is without sin.........." Yet he chose NOT to throw a stone even though HE was the only one righteous enough to throw that stone and He would have been RIGHT in throwing that stone by the very law. Yet, out of LOVE and compassion He took pitty on the woman. Again showing that "weak love" you claim. The very same "weak love" that you also claim saves you and makes you righteous.

Proverbs 6 16-19 IS about things. I can say "They changed its meaning" to fit any arguement I make as well, but God said MY WORD WILL ENDURE FOREVER. Nice try though.

Exo. It was their unrepentance that God hated, NOT the people. Again, nice try though.


Romans...... its as you say...... all in the context. However, I did state to show me where it said God hates.... so I wont argue that..... I will concied that ONE for that reason alone.... however I have shown you MORE than simply one where it says God LOVES not HATES his creation.

Psa - Again, the foolish are those that choose not to hear, yet have ears. Those that continue to turn away from salvation. It is their DOINGS OF EVIL not they as people.

If we are to HATE rather than LOVE those of inequity..... again I ask.... how is ANYONE to be saved if we are to HATE anyone that disagrees with our belief?

If God HATES so many (As you say, those that are not in Christ and the world is ALWAYS full of so many of those)...... then due to sheer number of those out of Christ he becomes a God of hatred by hating the majority of the world.

He died out of love FOR the unbeliever, not the perfectly righteous. If ANYONE but Jesus were perfect........ then the blood on the cross was not needed and God made a HORRIBLE mistake.

IF I read you right, the God you understand is that of much hatred and is prone to mistakes. That however is NOT my understanding of the God I serve.

The God I serve LOVES, UNCONDITIONALLY. Yes, He DOES get angry and yes He DOES punish..... however it is out of LOVE not hate towards that person. He guides even the unbeliever to Him.... out of LOVE, not because he HATES.

We will have to agree to disagree because you can not and will not EVER convince me that God desires I hate my brother or sister, whether they be in Christ or not.

You can claim me less of a Christian or of "picking and choosing" however I will not love you less no matter how much you want to advocate hatred of others.


I like Swan am more concerned with Christ than I am my "title" which you so eagerly accused her of drawing lines for.

 

[twin1954]

Okay

First off most of your "proof" comes from old testament. I suppose if your wife cheats you find it acceptible to stone your wife, considering that Jesus came and said "He who is without sin.........." Yet he chose NOT to throw a stone even though HE was the only one righteous enough to throw that stone and He would have been RIGHT in throwing that stone by the very law. Yet, out of LOVE and compassion He took pitty on the woman. Again showing that "weak love" you claim. The very same "weak love" that you also claim saves you and makes you righteous.

Proverbs 6 16-19 IS about things. I can say "They changed its meaning" to fit any arguement I make as well, but God said MY WORD WILL ENDURE FOREVER. Nice try though.

Exo. It was their unrepentance that God hated, NOT the people. Again, nice try though.


Romans...... its as you say...... all in the context. However, I did state to show me where it said God hates.... so I wont argue that..... I will concied that ONE for that reason alone.... however I have shown you MORE than simply one where it says God LOVES not HATES his creation.

Psa - Again, the foolish are those that choose not to hear, yet have ears. Those that continue to turn away from salvation. It is their DOINGS OF EVIL not they as people.

If we are to HATE rather than LOVE those of inequity..... again I ask.... how is ANYONE to be saved if we are to HATE anyone that disagrees with our belief?

If God HATES so many (As you say, those that are not in Christ and the world is ALWAYS full of so many of those)...... then due to sheer number of those out of Christ he becomes a God of hatred by hating the majority of the world.

He died out of love FOR the unbeliever, not the perfectly righteous. If ANYONE but Jesus were perfect........ then the blood on the cross was not needed and God made a HORRIBLE mistake.

IF I read you right, the God you understand is that of much hatred and is prone to mistakes. That however is NOT my understanding of the God I serve.

The God I serve LOVES, UNCONDITIONALLY. Yes, He DOES get angry and yes He DOES punish..... however it is out of LOVE not hate towards that person. He guides even the unbeliever to Him.... out of LOVE, not because he HATES.

We will have to agree to disagree because you can not and will not EVER convince me that God desires I hate my brother or sister, whether they be in Christ or not.

You can claim me less of a Christian or of "picking and choosing" however I will not love you less no matter how much you want to advocate hatred of others.


I like Swan am more concerned with Christ than I am my "title" which you so eagerly accused her of drawing lines for.

I will not waste my time arguing with you and derailing this thread any longer. You accuse me of many things that are simply untrue and the God I worship of being what amounts to a devil. You are apparently unteachable as you already know all you think you should concerning the Scriptures but do not in the least bow to them when shown. Do you honestly think that the Old Testament is not valid any longer? If you do then you have no understanding of the Old Testament or the Gospel of Christ that it speaks of on almost every page. What do you think that Paul and the other Apostles preached from?


I would ask only one more thing of you. Are you a Baptist or not? If you are not you are not allowed by the rules to come in here and dispute historic Baptist theology.

 

[Toro]

Never did I say such things... I said :

IF I read you right, the God you understand is that of much hatred and is prone to mistakes.

Meaning that IF I read you correctly..... I did NOT state it as fact that those are your beliefs but whatever you wish to believe.

I never in ANY way said I had nothing to learn...... I simply can not be brought to your way of thinking that God wants me hating people that believe differently from myself.

After all I am to strive to know the will and mind of God.... IF God wanted me to HATE OTHERS Jesus wouldn't have pushed LOVE.

In no way did I state that the Old Testament is irrelevant, simply as you claim..... one part of the Bible is not to stand on its own. The word was fulfilled with the coming of the Lord it did NOT make old Testament irrelevant but the blood of Jesus DID change many things (By fulfilling the word). Old Testament is just as valid as it was then, however there is MORE to the book than just that of the Old Testament.

I could claim that if you take my eye I can take yours...... however that is no longer the way after the coming of Jesus THAT was my point. Not to state or imply it irrelevant.

Yes I am a baptist.... but again, my focus is on Christ over a label. I even stated that like Swan........ but there... no guess work. Happy?

 

[twin1954]

Never did I say such things... I said :



Meaning that IF I read you correctly..... I did NOT state it as fact that those are your beliefs but whatever you wish to believe.

I never in ANY way said I had nothing to learn...... I simply can not be brought to your way of thinking that God wants me hating people that believe differently from myself.

After all I am to strive to know the will and mind of God.... IF God wanted me to HATE OTHERS Jesus wouldn't have pushed LOVE.

In no way did I state that the Old Testament is irrelevant, simply as you claim..... one part of the Bible is not to stand on its own. The word was fulfilled with the coming of the Lord it did NOT make old Testament irrelevant but the blood of Jesus DID change many things (By fulfilling the word). Old Testament is just as valid as it was then, however there is MORE to the book than just that of the Old Testament.

I could claim that if you take my eye I can take yours...... however that is no longer the way after the coming of Jesus THAT was my point. Not to state or imply it irrelevant.

Yes I am a baptist.... but again, my focus is on Christ over a label. I even stated that like Swan........ but there... no guess work. Happy?

Please show me where I ever intimated in any way that we are to hate. I never did I only sought to show you that by the Scriptures there are those whom God hates. Concerning your reply to the passages that I gave you it is apparent that you do as many and twist the words in order to make them fit your theology instead of your theology to fit the words of the Scriptures. But I will give you one that may help you grasp the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ:

(Mat 11:25) At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

(Mat 11:26) Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

(Mat 11:27) All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

(Mat 11:28) Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

(Mat 11:29) Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

(Mat 11:30) For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

You may notice that the context is the Lord Jesus speaking against certain cities that had not believed. It was at that time that He lifted up His eyes and prayed the part in bold. I ask that you read it and find out that what He said was the very reason that He speaks as He does in verses 28-30.

He thanked the Father for hiding the truth from some and revealing it to others. He then clearly states that it is up to Him to reveal the Father to those whom He chooses for all authority has been given to Him to do so.

That authority is why He calls on some, those heavy laden and labor under the Law and sin, to come to Him. He was very particular about whom He calls.


As to you being a Baptist I take you at your word and welcome. You are free to debate anything I say as you like. But if you want to continue this line of debate then start another thread.

 

[Toro]

Oh, Im sorry. I thought you were done.

I've said my piece. I answered your questions........ now if you aren't just blowing smoke about "not wanting to derail the thread further" how bout you prove it rather than try to continue it.

You will NOT convince me that hate is the correct action, sorry.

 

[twin1954]

Oh, Im sorry. I thought you were done.

I've said my piece. I answered your questions........ now if you aren't just blowing smoke about "not wanting to derail the thread further" how bout you prove it rather than try to continue it.

You will NOT convince me that hate is the correct action, sorry.

If you would quit poisoning the well by making false accusations about what I may or may not be trying to convince you of I would be done. It is quite clear that you are not concerned about what the Scriptures actually say as long as you can hold on to your favorite views and make the Scriptures say what you want them to so I am not trying to convince you of anything.

Now I am done.

 

[Swan7]

If you wish to argue elsewhere, please do so in appropriate thread and please, be mindful of the words you choose.

 

[jef1225]

I never claim to be Baptist. I actually was baptized confirmed catholic about 7 years ago, but its been a couple years now since I've been to catholic mass. I am not sure if that's what I believe anymore so I consider myself a Christian instead of a denomination. I am actually spiritually trying to find where the good lord wants me to be and just learning about all of the Christian denominations to see where I fit in with my beliefs and what the truth is. I am still just trying to figure this all out and I have a lot to learn.

 

[JM]

Do you know what a Baptist believes about scripture and are you convinced? If so, why do you use "Christian" or "Non-Denominational" as your "Faith?" Are you really not a Baptist and just thought you'd drop in and post?

Thanks,

jm