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I've never made this about you personally or your personal motivations for why you work. I've talked about principles and generalities based on my personal experiences and the teachings of Jesus.
If you feel personally judged by what I've said then that's something you need to work out for yourself and not blame me for.
The reason I bring up fear is the same reason Jesus brought it up. Maybe you know better than he did. He knew that what he was saying was radical and very different. He knew that he was asking people to do something very extreme by forsaking the worldly system of wages, and instead to work for Heavens system of gifts (i.e. sharing with each other).
That's why he made a very clear and deliberate point to tell us that we should not allow worry to stop us from stepping out in faith when it comes to working for love vs working for money.
Invariably, this fear is exactly the reasoning people fall back on when arguing against obedience to Jesus, and they do so thinking that they are making such a wonderful point about the realities of life. Look at sunny's post again.
What about food, what about clothing, what about internet, what about this and that etc.... It's all about a dependency on money. We can't do anything without money money money money. Of course he would be afraid of a teaching about no longer working to get more money.
Anyone who believes that we cannot live without money would naturally be afraid of not working to get more of it.
But it goes deeper than just little bits of paper and metal. It's not money in itself that is bad. It's why people work to get more of it which is bad. When we believe that we will die if we don't get something in exchange for our love, then we've made that thing into an idol.
I don't see a problem with people using money; even Jesus used it. But there IS a problem with the attitude that we must work for it; we must have it or we will die. Can you see the difference?
perhaps - i have found the ones who have more - worry moreCandle glow, amen.
So many people say, 'if you don't work, you don't eat.' Hmm, as far as I know, Elijah didn't work a typical job that has any monetary gain, yet he was still fed, clothed, and taken care of. by a man and his wife who set up a room for him - a man with a Job and others who labored in their own lives and had faith
John the baptist lived his life in the desert, eating locusts and wild honey, until the time he was called to work and prepare the way of the Lord.- and he was also filed with the Holy Spirit while still in his mothers womb which emphasizes the importance of trusting that God Knows what he is doing in each individuals life..did Mary and Joseph also eat locusts in the desert ?nope ,Joseph was a carpenter with a Job Did any of the Levites work in the traditional sense?yes- they arrived at a set time preformed duties and returned home at thier shifts end
That being said, laziness is many times brought up as evil and the tool of the enemy, so I'm not saying do nothing with your time. It also says in proverbs that diligent hands bring wealth. Is it monetary or spiritual wealth? Both are applicable.yes they are
So, you must work, and like Jesus said, not serve money. I am not against working to obtain money... But why are you working for the money? Is it for selfish desires? Or are you getting it so that you can give more to the kingdom of God, to feed and clothe the poor, another command from Jesus?some here have been trying to say that working for it at all is wrong .. but with an imbalanced view
Jesus said He'll never forsake you, He'll never leave you. He also said that not a sparrow falls to the ground without Him noticing, and you're much more valuable than a sparrow. Don't think that if you happened to run out of money He'd take care of you, providing you have faith? Do you know, really know, just how loved and important you are to God? wonderful words ,AMEN
If you're worried about your 'livelyhood' when it comes to money, you're just living in fear. I've been without money, very little, and comfortable. And all those times I had faith that God would provide, and He did. It's not about money. It's about your Father, who loves you and will always be there for you.again - amen. but i do wish folk who post such comments would add how many dependents they have under thier roof - it is rather easy to live for the lord without pay if you are a single person in a community of folks doing the same -it actually takes very little faith to do so
Funny thing is, the majority of people who worry so much about money are the ones who usually (not always) lack it. The moment you start to care less about money and about serving God, using money to bless more than to receive, is when God will give you more money, because He can trust you with it. Amazing, right?
Paul instructed us to imitate him and not to be a burden on anyone and pay for the bread that we eat.
You are drawing some kind of distinction between Paul and Jesus as if they were teaching two different things, when the teaching and writings of Paul were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
candle glow, you make sense
Do you think that Paul, in defending himself against the accusations of false apostles, was saying he made a mistake and regretted what he did when he pledges to continue doing it in verses 9 and 10?
2COR 12:13 For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong.
2COR 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not your's but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.
No man can serve two
masters: for either he will hate
the one, and love the other; or
else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other. Ye
cannot serve God and
mammon.
one is that the "LOVE" of money is bad.
not working and receiving wage .. as God considers it an evil if you do not pay someone for their labors .
you are both right .. the issue comes down to obeying the Holy Spirit in your own lives .
one is that the "LOVE" of money is bad. not working and receiving wage .. as God considers it an evil if you do not pay someone for their labors .
nope- he actually said that to a singular individual .to all he said "if you love me - obey my commands .." so if he tells(commands) you to do one thing and me to do another thing -you are walking in obedience if you do it and I am walking in obedience if I do it . both are in obedience to what the lord Jesus tells us to do . Just like when the lord Jesus answered peter in regard to what was to happen to John..There's a lot of Christians out there who would claim to believe in the teaching from Jesus about quitting our paid jobs, but that the holy spirit has lead them to work a paid job. I find it very hard to believe that 99% of Christians out there are being led to contradict this teaching. Jesus didn't say "go work a paid job and give your earnings to the poor", he said "sell all that you own and give your proceeds to the poor".
it is NOT working to receive a wage that is bad ..the worker is worthy of his wage .. and God considers it an evil if you do not pay someone the agreed wage for their labors .
you are both right .. the issue comes down to obeying the Holy Spirit in your own
lives. - you disagreed with this which reaction, in honesty, confuses me
Michael said:nope- he actually said that to a singular individual
Immediately following Jesus' command to a rich ruler (from Luke 18, which Michael is referencing) Peter says this. It's hardly a singular teaching, right Michael?LK 18:28 Then Peter said, Lo, we have left all, and followed thee.
LK 5:10 And so was also James, and John, the sons of Zebedee, which were partners with Simon. And Jesus said unto Simon, Fear not; from henceforth thou shalt catch men.
LK 5:11 And when they had brought their ships to land, they forsook all, and followed him.
LK 5:27 And after these things he went forth, and saw a publican, named Levi, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he said unto him, Follow me.
LK 5:28 And he left all, rose up, and followed him.
LK 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
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