Are you afraid of going to Hell?

[Jesus4Ever]

Not everyone feels a "transformation" feeling. It's more of a spiritual transformation that you don't really feel.

No but people say that if you are transformed then your whole life and view on life changes. Nothing in my life has really changed except my belief in God of course, and that I'm trying to be less selfish and help others more. But even then I still feel selfish in nature and I still have my own interests.

 

[EmSw]

...Then how are you supposed to follow Jesus? Also that's Calvanism and not what Jesus said.

My friend, I am not a Calvinist. And yes, that is not what Jesus said. Calvinism believes you are either predestined to heaven, or predestined to hell. You have no choice in the matter.

However, I totally believe you have the freedom to make this choice yourself without any predestination of God. You are able to follow Jesus if that is the desire of your heart. Here are the words of Jesus -

Luke 9:23
Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.

The first thing Jesus said is, 'if anyone DESIRES to come after Me'. If that is your desire J4E, then you are able to do just that. Then we have these words of Jesus next, 'let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily'. Here is what Strong's says about 'deny' -

to forget one's self, lose sight of one's self and one's own interests

Why should one forget about self and his own interests? A person's self is the longing of his flesh, and whatever arises from this is spiritually evil, however good it seems naturally. To deny self is to be led not by self but by the Lord; and he denies self who shuns and turns away from evils because they are sins. And when man turns away from evils he is led by the Lord.

He does the Lord's commandments, not from self, but from the Lord. Everyone is led by self who does not shun evils for they are contrary to the Word and thus contrary to God. To go after the Lord and to follow Him is to deny self. Denying self and rejecting what is your own is taking up your cross.

 

[EmSw]

Umm, have you read the old testament? There was a guy who committed adultry and even murder and still went to Heaven. You might know him.

Yes, I have read the OT. You must be speaking of David. Have you not read that David repented of these horrible sins? Do you not know that David did not keep repeating these sins after repentance?

I take you believe that a person can keep on committing adultery and murdering and still get into heaven.

Romans 4:5, But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Again, I'm not saying to disobey God. If you disobey God he will whip you into submission on THIS planet.

First, God does not jusify the ungodly. Have you not read the OT?

Exodus 23:7
Keep yourself far from a false matter; do not kill the innocent and righteous. For I will NOT justify the wicked.

Proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.

Justifying the wicked is an abomination to God; He justifies the righteous.

1 Kings 8:32
then hear in heaven, and act, and judge Your servants, condemning the wicked, bringing his way on his head, and justifying the righteous by giving him according to his righteousness.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord, but He loves him who follows righteousness.

Proverbs 15:29
The Lord is FAR from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous.

Where in the world do you get God will whip someone into submission? You must watch too much wrestling.

 

[Libertas]

Yes, I have read the OT. You must be speaking of David. Have you not read that David repented of these horrible sins? Do you not know that David did not keep repeating these sins after repentance?

I take you believe that a person can keep on committing adultery and murdering and still get into heaven.



First, God does not jusify the ungodly. Have you not read the OT?

Exodus 23:7
Keep yourself far from a false matter; do not kill the innocent and righteous. For I will NOT justify the wicked.

Proverbs 17:15
He who justifies the wicked, and he who condemns the just, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord.

Justifying the wicked is an abomination to God; He justifies the righteous.

1 Kings 8:32
then hear in heaven, and act, and judge Your servants, condemning the wicked, bringing his way on his head, and justifying the righteous by giving him according to his righteousness.

Proverbs 15:9
The way of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord, but He loves him who follows righteousness.

Proverbs 15:29
The Lord is FAR from the wicked, But He hears the prayer of the righteous.

Where in the world do you get God will whip someone into submission? You must watch too much wrestling.

It's called a metaphor. Have you heard of those? You learn about them in grade school.

When did I say the wicked are going to Heaven? The wicked you're referencing in Proverbs ans 1 Kings are UNSAVED, that's why they're "wicked." When you believe on Jesus His righteousness becomes your righteousness.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

If you rebel against God in this world he will punish you in this world:

Psalm 94:12
Blessed is the man whom You chasten, O LORD, And whom You teach out of Your law;

Hebrews 12:5
and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM;

Hebrews 12:6
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Under your gospel, God just discards us if we backslide. Would you disown your own son if he stopped listening to you? No, you'd rebuke and chasten until he learns the error of his ways and follows your lead.

 

[EmSw]

It's called a metaphor. Have you heard of those? You learn about them in grade school.

It's a metaphor that God will not justify the wicked? So it's just a figure of speech to you. Is everything you disagree with just a metaphor?

When did I say the wicked are going to Heaven? The wicked you're referencing in Proverbs ans 1 Kings are UNSAVED, that's why they're "wicked." When you believe on Jesus His righteousness becomes your righteousness.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

You told me the 'wicked' David went to heaven.

Are you trying to deceive me?

1 John 3:7
Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

Do you practice righteousness to be righteous? If one does, he is just as He is righteous.

If you rebel against God in this world he will punish you in this world:

Psalm 94:12
Blessed is the man whom You chasten, O LORD, And whom You teach out of Your law;

Hebrews 12:5
and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, "MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM;

Hebrews 12:6
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Under your gospel, God just discards us if we backslide. Would you disown your own son if he stopped listening to you? No, you'd rebuke and chasten until he learns the error of his ways and follows your lead.

So, tell us about your scourging. Tell us how God scourged or flogged you. Do you have the scars to prove it?

Jesus, nor God said anything about scourging anyone. I find the ones who did the scourging were Pharisees, hypocrites, serpents, vipers, Gentiles, and those who won't escape the damnation of hell. Does God fit one of these?

As far as chastening, Strong's says this about chastening -

to chasten, discipline, instruct, admonish

Nothing is said about 'physical' punishment. Jesus did say He chastened and rebuked those in Revelation.

Revelation 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

The reason for the chastening and rebuke was for the guilty party to be zealous and repent. Again, here is Strong's definition for rebuke -

1. to convict, refute, confute
   1. generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted
   2. by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

Again, nothing is said about any physical punishment. All chastening and rebuke comes from the truth of the word, not some physical pain and scourging.

 

[Libertas]

Alright, I'm done here. If you're just going to put words in my mouth and say a bunch of garbage I never said then you're obviously just a troll. I never once said God will physically beat you up. I have no idea why you'd make that up out of thin air, liar.

You need to open up your Bible and read about the doctrine of chastisement and stop telling people they're going to hell for messing up. Would you give up on your own son and disown him for failing to obey you at all times? clearly, the answer is no.

Enjoy straw-maning my arguments alone, I'm not wasting my time.

 

[Soyeong]

Every since I renewed my faith in God and Jesus, I can't stop thinking about it. I also can't stop thinking about everyone else either and about how they are likely going to hell. Am I alone in this?

There is a fear of being close to something that is evil and a fear or being separated from something that is good, and the fear of God that is the beginning of wisdom is the fear or doing things that would separate us from God.

 

[EmSw]

Alright, I'm done here. If you're just going to put words in my mouth and say a bunch of garbage I never said then you're obviously just a troll. I never once said God will physically beat you up. I have no idea why you'd make that up out of thin air, liar.

Funny how short memories are your allies. You said this -

'If you rebel against God in this world he will punish you in this world:'

If this isn't physical punishment, what is it? Then you proceeded to give me a passage which states God 'scourges' us. What kind of 'scourging' do you mean? When has God 'flogged' you?

What have I lied about? I never said anything about 'beat' you up. This is a lie from your mouth.

You need to open up your Bible and read about the doctrine of chastisement and stop telling people they're going to hell for messing up. Would you give up on your own son and disown him for failing to obey you at all times? clearly, the answer is no.

Enjoy straw-maning my arguments alone, I'm not wasting my time.

Do you not know the Bible is filled with warnings against people who live according to their sins? Should I stop telling the truth because you say so?

Were the children of Israel sons of God? Perhaps you do not know God gave up on them many times. Why? Because they did not heed the warnings of God.

Just like other 'protestants', you want to leave when the truth is told. Marvin Know is probably proud of you. Just tell him he must cast away all his iniquities to make himself a new heart and new spirit, and he is put 'robotic' ignore. He can't help it, for it was predestined for him to not believe Ezekiel 18:31.

 

[Marvin Knox]

Are you afraid of going to Hell?

No.

"I know whom I have believed and I am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have entrusted to Him against that day."

 

[frettr00]

Every since I renewed my faith in God and Jesus, I can't stop thinking about it. I also can't stop thinking about everyone else either and about how they are likely going to hell. Am I alone in this?

Only if I fall into mortal sin. I haven't committed a mortal sin in a while and don't plan to for the rest of my life.

 

[martymonster]

Nope, there is no such thing. The concept of Hell is a grievous insult to the creator.

 

[Libertas]

Funny how short memories are your allies. You said this -

'If you rebel against God in this world he will punish you in this world:'

If this isn't physical punishment, what is it? Then you proceeded to give me a passage which states God 'scourges' us. What kind of 'scourging' do you mean? When has God 'flogged' you?

What have I lied about? I never said anything about 'beat' you up. This is a lie from your mouth.



Do you not know the Bible is filled with warnings against people who live according to their sins? Should I stop telling the truth because you say so?

Were the children of Israel sons of God? Perhaps you do not know God gave up on them many times. Why? Because they did not heed the warnings of God.

Just like other 'protestants', you want to leave when the truth is told. Marvin Know is probably proud of you. Just tell him he must cast away all his iniquities to make himself a new heart and new spirit, and he is put 'robotic' ignore. He can't help it, for it was predestined for him to not believe Ezekiel 18:31.

Wow, so the Isrealites were magically no longer the physical descendants of Israel because they sinned. Makes sense.

This is what happens when unsaved people try and "interpret" the Bible and why I don't want to waste my time. You have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[sparow]

Every since I renewed my faith in God and Jesus, I can't stop thinking about it. I also can't stop thinking about everyone else either and about how they are likely going to hell. Am I alone in this?

I think the only hell we need to worry about is in this life; I am not afraid of the future, maybe I should be. I do not fear the first death either, only the possible pain associated with it.

 

[EmSw]

Wow, so the Isrealites were magically no longer the physical descendants of Israel because they sinned. Makes sense.

This is what happens when unsaved people try and "interpret" the Bible and why I don't want to waste my time. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I didn't say the Israelites were no longer the physical descendants of Israel. Read what I said again.

Jeremiah 3:8
Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.

Live your life as you wish, it's all up to you. By the way, why am I unsaved? Did I break your rules? Am I not believing what you do? Are you my Savior?

 

[Jesus4Ever]

I think the only hell we need to worry about is in this life; I am not afraid of the future, maybe I should be. I do not fear the first death either, only the possible pain associated with it.

You should be. The bible says you should be living for your eternal life. Not your life in this world. For this life is only temporary and the next life is forever.

 

[Jesus4Ever]

Nope, there is no such thing. The concept of Hell is a grievous insult to the creator.

But it's in the bible. Plus then what happens to sinners when they die then?

 

[ToBeLoved]

No but people say that if you are transformed then your whole life and view on life changes. Nothing in my life has really changed except my belief in God of course, and that I'm trying to be less selfish and help others more. But even then I still feel selfish in nature and I still have my own interests.

This is something that came to mind when I read your post, and I am not being judgemental here, just giving you some things to think about and search your own heart about.

Many times when we pray or read God's Word we will hear the Holy Spirit or feel God's guidance, but God pursposely is quieter. Meaning that if we let the things in this life drown out the Holy Spirit in our lives, they can and will do that.

In prayer and when reading God's Word we need to come to a place of understanding in that God will not hit us over the head with a frying pan to get our attention. God says that we should want to seek the Kingdom of God, so think about if you are being a listener also. And if you are praying for understanding and wisdom for yourself.

Don't feel odd praying for yourself for the wonderful things of God. This is not selfish at all but that you are seeking to understand. So pray for yourself and ask God to show you the wonders of His wisdom. God's timing is not our timing, but He will show you.

God bless you.

 

[ToBeLoved]

This is what happens when unsaved people try and "interpret" the Bible

You should watch what you say a little more. This is offensive that you should judge someone else in this way.

 

[ToBeLoved]

You should be. The bible says you should be living for your eternal life. Not your life in this world. For this life is only temporary and the next life is forever.

Correct. This world is not our home, just as Jesus told Pilate that this world was not His home because if it was His diciples would fight to keep Him here.

God is preparing you for heavenly, spiritual things. You are a son/daughter of the Most High God. That is an awesome position Christ has given us. We are part of God's family.

 

[DivineD]

Wrong.

Romans 11:6-7King James Version (KJV)
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

If eternal security is wrong then none of these passages make any sense: John 10:27-30; I Peter 1:5; Ephesians 4:30; Romans 8:35-39; John 5:24

Salvation is by FAITH alone. It's asked ONE SINGLE TIME in the Bible "what must I do to be saved?" The answer is "believe ON the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved."

Believe ON. That means you're trusting ONLY in Jesus Christ to get to Heaven. Trusting in anything else will send you to hell. Believe that Jesus will take you to heaven when you die, trust only in Him for your salvation and you will be 100% sure about Heaven.

Jesus says you have eternal life if you believe on Him (John 6:47) - if eternal life could be lost then it was never eternal and God is a liar. Good works are great and everyone should do good works, but that doesn't get to you Heaven. Faith alone does, and it says so countless times in the Bible.

Actually Paul is more referring to boasting in those verses. Ephesians 2:8-10 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them."

In James 2:14-24
What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

Jesus Himself says in many places to obey His teachings Luke 6:46 But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

John 14:23-24 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.

Faith is proven through one's actions, not their mind. If you think you don't have to abide by Christ's teachings and have "faith" in Him and be saved then you will become like those described in Mat 7:21-23 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Lawlessness is sin, in other translations it says iniquity which is sin. If we are practicing or living a sinful lifestyle and say we "believe" in God. Christ will tell us He never knew us according to this verse. So yes, eternal life can be lost if you lose Christ in your life, which is to not live according to His Word.