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Featured Are you a Jew under the law or a gentile ?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Jesus is YHWH, Oct 16, 2020 at 9:06 AM.

  1. Jesus is YHWH

    Jesus is YHWH my Lord and my God ! Supporter

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    Have you been set free ?

    Hebrews 8:13
    - By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

    Hebrews 10:1-5
    For the Law, since it has only a shadow of the good things to come and not the very form of things, can never, by the same sacrifices which they offer continually year by year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, because the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have had consciousness of sins? 3 But in those sacrifices, there is a reminder of sins year by year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

    Hebrews 10:11-14
    Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

    Hebrews 10:15-18
    The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

    16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
    after that time, says the Lord.
    I will put my laws in their hearts,
    and I will write them on their minds.”

    17 Then he adds: “Their sins and lawless acts
    I will remember no more.” 18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

    Hebrews 9:15-18
    For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.16 In the case of a will, it is necessary to prove the death of the one who made it, 17 because a will is in force only when somebody has died; it never takes effect while the one who made it is living. 18 This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood.

    Ephesians 2:11-22
    Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.

    Galatians 3:21-26
    Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.

    2 Corinthians 3:2-11
    You are our letter, written in our hearts, known and read by all men; 3 being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

    4 Such confidence we have through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are adequate in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God, 6 who also made us adequate as servants of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

    7 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. 10 For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory that surpasses it. 11 For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

    Colossians 2:13-14
    And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

    hope this helps !!!
     
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  2. RickReads

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    Romans 3:31
    Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

    :doh::preach:
     
  3. Jesus is YHWH

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    so are you justified before God by the law or by faith ?
     
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    Few if any would answer yes law, to that question. The debate is always do we obey God`s laws or is it ok to practice lawlessness.
     
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  5. Jesus is YHWH

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    Good point and my answer to Gods grace if understood correctly has the opposite effect upon a person when it comes to sin, they choose righteousness !

    Titus 2:11-13
    11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
     
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    Romans 3:27-31, "Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

    Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

    Why do you and others take single verses out of context to prove a point? For that matter, why are you and others still confused by taking individual verses -- NOT part of the original texts or even the Bible for centuries after the modern Bible was compiled -- as though that was the way the Bible was written -- one thing is abundantly clear in the New Testament: the OT law has been supplanted by the NT covenant of grace.

    If you don't understand that I suggest that you ask God for wisdom and insight.
     
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    Then why is Romans 3:31 there? How do I take out of context when I haven`t even stated a position on this yet?

    Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
     
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    What?? The post you refer to is "so are you justified before God by the law or by faith ?" That is not a yes/no question. It is about law vs faith.

    The debate is not always "do we obey God`s laws or is it ok to practice lawlessness". That is changing the subject. 1) The posts's title is "are you a Jew under the law or a Gentile"; that is entirely different from what you're saying. 2) In case you're not aware: Christians are not under law but under grace.

    How about joining the discussion and sticking to the subject instead of interposing your trite misinterpretation of Scripture?
     
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    Then why are liberal churches in decline often seeing young people depart into agnosticism or worse?
     
  10. pescador

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    Oy! Romans 3:27-31, " Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

    Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

    This concept may be difficult to grasp, but it's not helping your understanding to take a single verse out of context to try to prove a doctrinal point that you have already predetermined in your own mind.

    Paul wrote the we establish the Law by our faith. It is impossible to keep the Law without faith.
     
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    You sure your Bible isn`t shaped like a club? I`m just looking for someone who can explain why Romans 3:31 is there. If you can`t do it then its ok, I`m not mad at you.
     
  12. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    What do you mean by "not under the law"? Sin is the transgression of the law. If you are not, then why do you need grace?
     
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    Everybody knows justified by faith and I`m not contexting anything, I just asked for somebody to explain why it`s there. I think it`s important to figure out Romans 3:31.
     
  14. Jesus is YHWH

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    It begins in the home being taught by parents, its our responsibility and the church is there to reinforce what is being taught in the home. The problem is in America we parents depend on the church once a week and maybe in a youth group which is mostly just fun and games with a little scripture thrown in there to make it "christian". Kids stand no chance in our culture since they have not been grounded in the faith and made it their own.
     
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    We could find reasons all day long. My point was that soft Christianity isn`t working out that well and people don`t always make right choices after they have turned to God. I think there`s a flaw in the doctrine and Romans 3:31 is one of the keys.
     
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    WHY DO YOU TAKE A SINGLE VERSE OUT OF CONTEXT AND APPLY IT UNIVERSALLY?

    Romans 3:27-31, "Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one.

    Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

    Christians have fulfilled all the requirements of the Law by being justified by faith. That is the meaning of Romans 3:31.
     
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    What is "soft Christianity"? Is that the credo that says that we are not under Law but under Grace? Or do you not believe the Lord when He says that we shouldn't judge others?
     
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    I raised 4 children 2 boys and 2 girls who are now ages 22-35. They were equipped with Gods word and knew the truth and moral absolutes. They are all serving the Lord in various ministries. My daughters are married to men who are missionaries and pastors. One daughter is a missionary and the other a childhood ministry director just like her mother was at the same church. My boys are drummers one in the church and the other was in the church still plays occasionally in the church but is a professional christian musician with a well known band. So they are using their God given talents for the kingdom of God and his glory. I say that to say this raising christian children is the parents responsibility and the church is a support to come along side of the parents with the same core biblical values. Unfortunately parents these days don't make the time to do that, in many cases both parents are working and leave the raising of their children to others.

    We decided when we first were married in 85 that we would be a 1 income family and sacrifice money for investing in the children. I believe that decision made a great difference and we home-schooled them. Its not for everybody but it worked for us. My oldest went through high-school being homeschooled and has her masters degree and is the childhood director. The others went to high-school and were not homeschooled during those years. My wife became a diabetic and had some heath issues so we made the decision to have them in public schools. but the foundation was already laid and they did well and adjusted just fine.

    I know I rambled on a bit but I just wanted to share a bit of our story.

    hope this helps !!!
     
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    I enjoyed reading your story thx.
     
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    Who`s judging in this thread? I still haven`t said where I stand yet :preach:
     
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