Are you a dictator?

[Bookofknowledge]

Today's Thought:

Submit to Democracy or face dead end (sanctions, removal from office, death threats or assasination) sounds like dictatorship, share your thoughts.

 

[Kataphraktos]

Today's Thought:

Submit to Democracy or face dead end (sanctions, removal from office, death threats or assasination) sounds like dictatorship, share your thoughts.

Yes you are right, US Foreign Policy in my opinion is evil. The millions it has killed in the name of defense from the 'official enemies' is disgusting, however, Muslims have no right to complain, you don't have a countering political ideology, you just want to replace US Global Hegemony with Islamic Global Hegemony so don't pretend that you are really some kind of peaceful hippy, because Islam doesn't allow peace.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Yes you are right, US Foreign Policy in my opinion is evil. The millions it has killed in the name of defense from the 'official enemies' is disgusting, however, Muslims have no right to complain, you don't have a countering political ideology, you just want to replace US Global Hegemony with Islamic Global Hegemony so don't pretend that you are really some kind of peaceful hippy, because Islam doesn't allow peace.

wow I just had my breakfast, lunch and dinner all in one combo

what is peace to you?

 

[Kataphraktos]

wow I just had my breakfast, lunch and dinner all in one combo

what is peace to you?

People respecting one another's rights as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others and the resolution of conflicts without force.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

People respecting one another's rights as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others and the resolution of conflicts without force.

Is that all or there is more?

what rights you are talking about? the rights you are talking about - can they dictate what Muslims can believe and can't believe?

 

[Ram]

Bismillah:



do they have to be a true Muslims just because they have some Hindu temples in their countries ? it seems that you dont understand what is the meaning of 'true Muslim'



are you telling me that Hindus disappeared from Pakistan because there is no temple there ? i think you just have no idea about the numebrs of your fellow Hindus who live and work in Dubai, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, Sadui Arabia, Egypt, and many other Muslim countries, where you cannot find any single hindu temple and yet the hindues %age in these countries is not getting less like what happened in Pakistan, in fact they are incearsing and many of them have his own business too.

it seems that all of these hindus people who live in a Muslim countries are not a 'true Hindus' because they dont go to temples.

peace
ammuslim

What nonsense.

There is no Hindu temple in Saudi because it is not allowed, not because the Hindus dont go to temples. I would never go to an Islamic nation for these simple reasons, countries that do not respect others.Some Hindus go there because India is a country that cannot provide jobs to all at this time and hence plenty of them seek jobs abroad.

Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries tolerates Hindus and other foreigners just because they have got a population who are dumb heads and cant manage their own country. At the moment they have got some natural resources, and most of the job opportunities are based on that. When they run out of oil, these countries will fall to the lowest standards of living due to the primitive Islamic idealogies. We will see how they treat Hindus when they no longer need them. These Hindus in Saudi Arabia are visitors, not citizens. My Hindu friend who works in Saudi Arabia tells me that if he is caught with a Hindu scripture or with some CD that has a relugeous song or astrology or something that Islam does not approve, he goes to jail. Is that what you are bragging about? How would you like India to catch hold of all copies of quran and burn them and send all such people to the jail. Even Indonesia, even when known to be a moderate Islamic state still is fairly autocratic and non muslims are still ill treated there. Same with Turkey. There are no Islalmic states with democracy or anywhere close to that.

There are temples in Pakistan because these were all part of India in the past. Many of them continue to get destroyed like they are in Kashmir and Hindus have absolutely no voice or even go to the court. In India, it is simply very difficult for Hindus to go to such a spree of destruction unless they gather such a majority support enough to defy the government. They dont have, and will never get, unless Hindus realize that Islam is the evil. Most of them still refuse to beleive that, and only future can say if they are right or wrong.

Any area in India that has a sizeable mulsim population is always in turmoil - Kashmir. I live in Kerala with a 25% muslim population, and in the muslim majority Malappuram, Kannur districts, every day you can hear muslims kiling some Hindus. If this happens in areas where muslims are a minority, they would have been exterminated by now.

 

[Talcara]

Hi Bookofknowledge,

Try arrogant then. To much pride to admit when one is wrong. This is still not similar to a dictator. People here still let you have your opinion, they don't force you to believe or go along with their view (which is what a dictator does). This is what many Muslim nations and govenments are doing to Christians - they are forcing them to renounce their faith, threatening them with beatings, gaol, even death. I would agree with someone who said, "Practice what you preach first", earlier on in the thread. For that fact, the Hindus are no better, nor are the Buddhists, communists, etc, etc. All such govenments either have a zero policy against Christianity or they try to manage it carefully and keep their hands pushing down on it (i.e. legislate against it and keep it under government control).

Yes I am being dictator if i call my siblings mean names or tell lies to them because Qur'aan is very clear on calling nicknames and telling lies...
49:11
O believers! Let no men laugh at other men who may perhaps be better than themselves; and let no woman laugh at another woman, who may perhaps be better than herself. Do not defame through sarcastic remarks about one another, nor call one another by offensive nicknames. It is an evil thing to be called by a bad name after being a believer, and those who do not repent are the ones who are the wrongdoers.

I'd say that calling Jesus a prophet rather than the Son of God is defaming...

Thus, according to your own logic, Muslims are dictators...

IMO, you're being "mean" to your siblings, not a dictator.

 

[peaceful soul]

origianlly posted by Bookofknowledge

You making it so complex and difficult for humans to understand the works of Satan and False Prophets but let me ask you this question Is it difficult for your God?

The catch to the whole matter is that no one sign can be used to indicate that you have a relationship with God. You, or at least some Muslims, think that truth can be readily known by submission to Allah which entails doing righteous works. Righteous works alone do not mean a thing if you do not have the complete package. The spiritual world is complex, but if you have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, it becomes easier to discern God's spirit from the false spirits that can emulate goodness. False spirits can and do emulate goodness, or what at least appears as goodness. It is people who assume that this goodness has to be authentic because it promotes good behavior. Since it promotes good behavior, this must be a sign of God or be from God. It is this kind of circular reasoning that man uses to make spiritual decisions. Man is drawn by the call to goodness without knowing its source. Goodness or the appearance of goodness without knowing its source is the problem with Islam and other belief systems. There is a big difference in God's goodness and what we intellectualize as goodness, aka: human goodness.

Do you feel mankind was not educated by God so that they can understand the works of Satan?

No. But man does have a limited sense of good and evil but not the nature of satan. As imperfect beings, we have very little knowledge of spiritual things.

After sin entered into this world through Adam, man became incapable of knowing the fullness of God because of his spiritual disconnect from God. Man lost the ablilty to have a harmonic relationship and righteous standing with God on his own will. Man's will became one of serving self before serving God. God had to somehow bring us back to that state whereby we could have that complete spiritual connection with Him. This is the reason of Jesus's sacrifice for our sins and the Holy Spirit being sent to the believers in Christ's sacrifice.

We have the ability to know some signs of who satan is, but we do not know the spiritual world like he does so that we could discern all ungodly things and thus, stay away from those things. satan exists in the spiritual realm and has privy to more knowledge of the spiritual world than we do; so, how can we not be fooled by his trickery, aka: spiritual deception.

Muslims in general, think that since the Qu'ran calls people to be righteous, that satan could not be the influence for this text. The Bible teaches us that this is not true. As I have stated many times before, deception is not known to the deceived as deception. Intellect is not the issue here. The issue that I refer to is spiritual discernment, knowledge, and understanding of the spiritual world.

Do you think Satan is more powerful then believers?

Once again, your ignorance shows. This is not a matter of satan being stronger. It has to do with the spiritual world. We are imperfect beings marred by sin, and we are spiritually ignorant and incompetent. satan is able to subdue us because of our lack of understanding and knowing spiritual things of God - not power. The power of satan is in that he is privy to spiritual things that are not of God and uses our ignorance of these things to defeat us and keep us separated from God's spiritual guidance, which can only be given through God's spirit, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not an angel or Gabriel, BTW. God's spirit is God - not a separate entity projected from Him like you probably think.

Think of it this way: someone who knows an area of disclipine (expert) can use his knowledge and lead you to a make a bad decision if he chooses to or he can use that knowledge and protect you. Of course, satan would not be there to protect you. You know the outcome. Another point: we can not get rid of satan's influence by doing righteous deeds. You can only combat satan by relying upon the spirit of God, Holy Spirit as your guide. It is our bearer of truth, the comforter, the Spirit of Truth - not Mohammad.

What did Jesus (AS) said about Abraham, Issac, Jacob, solomen, David, Lot, Moses - did Jesus say they were all my slaves whom he created and sent as Prophets?

I am not sure what you are asking or trying to say. Explain.

 

[peaceful soul]

Hi Bookofknowledge,

Try arrogant then. To much pride to admit when one is wrong. This is still not similar to a dictator. People here still let you have your opinion, they don't force you to believe or go along with their view (which is what a dictator does). This is what many Muslim nations and govenments are doing to Christians - they are forcing them to renounce their faith, threatening them with beatings, gaol, even death. I would agree with someone who said, "Practice what you preach first", earlier on in the thread. For that fact, the Hindus are no better, nor are the Buddhists, communists, etc, etc. All such govenments either have a zero policy against Christianity or they try to manage it carefully and keep their hands pushing down on it (i.e. legislate against it and keep it under government control).



I'd say that calling Jesus a prophet rather than the Son of God is defaming...

Thus, according to your own logic, Muslims are dictators...

IMO, you're being "mean" to your siblings, not a dictator.

Absolutely!!

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Hi Bookofknowledge,

Try arrogant then. To much pride to admit when one is wrong. This is still not similar to a dictator. People here still let you have your opinion, they don't force you to believe or go along with their view (which is what a dictator does). This is what many Muslim nations and govenments are doing to Christians - they are forcing them to renounce their faith, threatening them with beatings, gaol, even death. I would agree with someone who said, "Practice what you preach first", earlier on in the thread. For that fact, the Hindus are no better, nor are the Buddhists, communists, etc, etc. All such govenments either have a zero policy against Christianity or they try to manage it carefully and keep their hands pushing down on it (i.e. legislate against it and keep it under government control).



I'd say that calling Jesus a prophet rather than the Son of God is defaming...

Thus, according to your own logic, Muslims are dictators...

IMO, you're being "mean" to your siblings, not a dictator.

Hi Talcara,

How can you claim according to my own logic Muslims are dictators when you explained that "they don't force you to believe or go along with their view" - You may ask why did I say this? Ask me I will explain it to you.

I am being a dictator not "mean" when I call bad names to my siblings - You may ask how come? Ask me I will explain it to you.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

The catch to the whole matter is that no one sign can be used to indicate that you have a relationship with God. You, or at least some Muslims, think that truth can be readily known by submission to Allah which entails doing righteous works. Righteous works alone do not mean a thing if you do not have the complete package. The spiritual world is complex, but if you have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, it becomes easier to discern God's spirit from the false spirits that can emulate goodness. False spirits can and do emulate goodness, or what at least appears as goodness. It is people who assume that this goodness has to be authentic because it promotes good behavior. Since it promotes good behavior, this must be a sign of God or be from God. It is this kind of circular reasoning that man uses to make spiritual decisions. Man is drawn by the call to goodness without knowing its source. Goodness or the appearance of goodness without knowing its source is the problem with Islam and other belief systems. There is a big difference in God's goodness and what we intellectualize as goodness, aka: human goodness.

complete package

I hope you have heard the saying "A million mile march starts with a single step" Believe and God willing you shall attain, If you don't believe then seek as Abraham asked thy Lord to show him guidence so he may understand the signs. Yourself have confirmed that falsehood is temporary.

Why do you have to make everything so complex? don't you believe that God desires to clarify, and guides you to the ways which were followed by the righteous people before you, and turns to you in mercy. God is the Knowledgeable, Wise.

75:16
O Prophet, do not move your tongue too fast to memorize this revelation,

75:17
It is Our responsibility to collect it in your memory, and make you recite it

75:18
and when it is recited, to make you follow it,

75:19
and then it is Our responsibility to explain it.

No. But man does have a limited sense of good and evil but not the nature of satan. As imperfect beings, we have very little knowledge of spiritual things.

After sin entered into this world through Adam, man became incapable of knowing the fullness of God because of his spiritual disconnect from God. Man lost the ablilty to have a harmonic relationship and righteous standing with God on his own will. Man's will became one of serving self before serving God. God had to somehow bring us back to that state whereby we could have that complete spiritual connection with Him. This is the reason of Jesus's sacrifice for our sins and the Holy Spirit being sent to the believers in Christ's sacrifice.

We have the ability to know some signs of who satan is, but we do not know the spiritual world like he does so that we could discern all ungodly things and thus, stay away from those things. satan exists in the spiritual realm and has privy to more knowledge of the spiritual world than we do; so, how can we not be fooled by his trickery, aka: spiritual deception.

Muslims in general, think that since the Qu'ran calls people to be righteous, that satan could not be the influence for this text. The Bible teaches us that this is not true. As I have stated many times before, deception is not known to the deceived as deception. Intellect is not the issue here. The issue that I refer to is spiritual discernment, knowledge, and understanding of the spiritual world.

What? man has limited sense of good and evil? This is not true every soul who commits crime or sin knows what he/she doing dispite of knowing they go ahead with whatever they are doing. ask the person who robb - doesn't his heart testifies that he is committing a crime? The answer will be YES.

Can Satan do righteous deeds, is he not pure evil? One more thing do you believe Satan has the power to harm me and you?

Once again, your ignorance shows. This is not a matter of satan being stronger. It has to do with the spiritual world. We are imperfect beings marred by sin, and we are spiritually ignorant and incompetent. satan is able to subdue us because of our lack of understanding and knowing spiritual things of God - not power. The power of satan is in that he is privy to spiritual things that are not of God and uses our ignorance of these things to defeat us and keep us separated from God's spiritual guidance, which can only be given through God's spirit, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not an angel or Gabriel, BTW. God's spirit is God - not a separate entity projected from Him like you probably think.

Think of it this way: someone who knows an area of disclipine (expert) can use his knowledge and lead you to a make a bad decision if he chooses to or he can use that knowledge and protect you. Of course, satan would not be there to protect you. You know the outcome. Another point: we can not get rid of satan's influence by doing righteous deeds. You can only combat satan by relying upon the spirit of God, Holy Spirit as your guide. It is our bearer of truth, the comforter, the Spirit of Truth - not Mohammad.

What is the purpose of spirituality? If one doesn't understand nothing can harm us without the permission of God. There is nothing comparable to God hence whatever God created is not God.

You need to understand that Muhammad is only a Man raised to the level of Prophet. Tell me who is it we muslims are refering to in the following verse.

43:85
Blessed is He to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that lies between them! He Alone has the knowledge of the Hour of Doom, and to Him you shall all be brought back.

I am not sure what you are asking or trying to say. Explain.

Tell us did Jesus (AS) said Abraham, Issac, Jacob, solomen, David, Lot, Moses they were all my slaves whom I created and guided them to righteousness?

 

[Electra]

Mankind always had and will have their limits once anyone cross them and does something it's not the virtues of goodness.

You are welcome to critisise but you are not allowed to go outside the boundries of what was allowed or said and done within a given time frame by the community at large or a nation.

Could you please elaborate on this?

Obviously there is a clear distinction between insulting and constructive critisism. Critisisng lack of democrasy is not an insult.

What would you say to me, because I do not believe in Allah or any other such being? Are you going to tell me im blinded from the truth and are going to Hell unless i see things your way?

Would that attitude be constructive critisism in your view or a clear insult?

 

[AtheistPerson]

The idea of "killing all nonbelievers" has really touched me by your faith.

 

[Talcara]

Hello Bookofknowledge,

How can you claim according to my own logic Muslims are dictators when you explained that "they don't force you to believe or go along with their view" - You may ask why did I say this? Ask me I will explain it to you.

Go ahead if you want.

I said that Muslims are dictators not according to what I believe a dictator is, but according to your own definition as you have outlined time and time again. IMO, going by my definition of dictatorship, the Muslims on this board are not dicators.

Can Satan do righteous deeds, is he not pure evil? One more thing do you believe Satan has the power to harm me and you?

Even though this was not directed at me, I'd like to answer it from my opinion anyway before I have to leave.

I guess that Satan could do good deeds, if he wanted to. That said, his purpose (reason) for doing that deed would be dark and in line with his "mission" or aim of leading people away from the cross and destroying their lives (not physcially, but making their lives a living hell - once again, not meant to be taken literally). The devil often roams throughout the Earth disguised as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), and to do so, he may occassionally have to do good deeds. He is a very cunning character who masterfully uses manipulation and distortion to deceive people (2 Corinthians 4:3-4, for example). After about 6,000 years of dealing with humanity, he's sure to be pretty good and effective at it.

It's interesting, sometimes the father of lies, Satan, can tell the truth. He often tells people, "You're stinking dog! You're not worthy enough to approach the throne of God!" and the usual tripe. But do you know what? He tells the truth. We are not worthy enough to approach God - the Bible says that all have sinned and fall far short of the Glory of God. That is why we don't approach the throne of God according to our worthiness. We approach God in Christ's righteousness through our faith in Him and faith in how He saved us at the cross from our sins by taking the penalty of death that we deserved.

I also believe that Satan's powers and abilities are limited. You know how many people view Satan as God's equal? This is false, as I'm sure you'll agree even though we are from two different faiths. God has no equal. Satan is not omnicient (i.e. all knowing), he is not omnipotent (i.e. all powerful) and finally he is not omnipresent (i.e. present everywhere). Satan is a singular individual who can only be at one place at a time.

I believe that Satan and his cronies can do nothing in the life of a Christian without first going to God to ask for permission to sift a Christian. God has placed a hedge of protection around us from these demons (fallen angels). For example, consider the story of Job. Satan had to ask for permission to do, X, Y, Z to Job from God before he did it. Note also, that God was very specific on what the devil was not to do. For further evidence of this consider Luke 22:31-38, NLT: Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to have all of you, to sift you like wheat. But I have pleaded in prayer for you, Simon, that your faith should not fail.

Note here that Satan still has to ask permission from God to sift (attack) believers (in this case Peter)! But, here we have a comforting point: Jesus is standing in the gap for believers between God and Satan praying for us and intervening on our behalf. God knows what we can handle, and He will not allow anything more to come upon us.

Lastly, I doubt that the demons would waste much of their time with non-believers. If they did, it would only be to drag them deeper into sin and rebellion against God.

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Could you please elaborate on this?

Obviously there is a clear distinction between insulting and constructive critisism. Critisisng lack of democrasy is not an insult.

What would you say to me, because I do not believe in Allah or any other such being? Are you going to tell me im blinded from the truth and are going to Hell unless i see things your way?

Would that attitude be constructive critisism in your view or a clear insult?

I am only a human who follow Qur'aan as an individual I don't have much to say about you and the fact of the matter is we have to look at what Qur'aan says about those who don't believe.

39:18
who listen to the Word and follow the best meaning of it. Such are the ones whom Allah has guided and such are the ones who are endowed with understanding.


10:41
If they do not believe you, say: "I am responsible for my actions and you are for yours! You are not accountable for my actions, nor I am responsible for what you do."

32:26
Do they not learn a lesson from the historical events of how many generations We have destroyed before them in whose dwelling-places they move about? Surely there are signs in this. Do they not listen?

32:27
Do they not see how We drive the rain to the parched lands and therefrom bring forth crops of which they and their cattle eat? Have they no vision?

10:100
It is not possible for anyone to believe except by the permission of Allah, and He throws filth on those who do not use their common-sense.


What does Qur'aan tell us...

follow the best meaning
I am responsible for my actions
listen
vision
use common-sense

When all these are put in practice what do we get? Is it insult to ask people to use their common-sense?

30:34
showing no gratitude for What We have given them. Enjoy yourselves; soon you will find out your folly.

30:35
Have We sent down to them an authority, that speaks of the shirk which they are committing?

30:36
When We give mankind a taste of blessing, they rejoice, but when some evil afflicts them because of their own misdeeds, lo! They are in despair.

 

[urnotme]

What, like he was a paedophile who married a 9 year old?

A lot of muslim scholors say he married a nine year old and that would be considered young by todays standards. He could heve married a 2 year old for all I care. or an 18 year old like some websites claim it doesn't mean he was a prophet.

 

[looking4wisdom]

A lot of muslim scholors say he married a nine year old and that would be considered young by todays standards. He could heve married a 2 year old for all I care. or an 18 year old like some websites claim it doesn't mean he was a prophet.

The "Prophet" married Aisha when she was six, and then had relations with her when she was nine. I think she was his fifth or six wife, although it is only permitted that muslims have 4 wives.

 

[Kataphraktos]

The "Prophet" married Aisha when she was six, and then had relations with her when she was nine. I think she was his fifth or six wife, although it is only permitted that muslims have 4 wives.

Actually, Allah conveniently told Mohammed it was ok to have more than 4 wives when he started to get paedophillic urges.

 

[urnotme]

A false Prophet doesn't and cann't call towards righteousness and peace? do you agree with me?

Sometimes I think mohammed was a false prophet and sometimes I thinkm he was a true prophet with a screw loose, but I agree with very little of what he said. I think people can start out prophesying and change their minds.

 

[urnotme]

Understand the limits of a false Prophet and you will be able to figure that out by your self. You cann't deny the fact that God is peace and from God alone is peace.

Do you not believe in God of Abraham? do you say God Abraham is Jesus(AS)?

How did mohammed die?