Are we mixed with giants or angels ?

[corinth77777]

Exodus 7:1 says I have made you a god to Whom? Answer: Pharaoh. God doesn't say "I have made you an Elohim". It says I have made you an Elohim to Pharaoh. If you doubt that look at the verse right before it. "And Moses said before the Lord, Behold, I am of uncircumcised lips, and how shall Pharaoh hearken unto me?
John 10:35 has a context when it says "to whom the word of God came". What is that context? Answer: Psalm 82.

The word of God has come to everyone, atheist and theist alike. [Romans 1]If you read your Bible to your cat it's come to your cat as well. That doesn't make your cat or an atheist an Elohim. That is an untenable generalization. What you are doing is bending the word of God to your own will to avoid a theology. Accepting anything to your purpose so long as it contains the words you want. That is a detrimental thing to do for ones self and the body of Christ.

No, Moses is not an Elohim. Unlike the question I have asked you 3x now I have no problem answering that.

Now, for the third time. Yes or No. Is Neil Gorsuch an Elohim?

ExAmple would be Deborah...did the word of come to men as it did to her ? She was a Judge and prophet.

Through post 211 you should be able to figure that out yourself.
Its not for me to get wound up in your traps of definition, through many of your assumptions, so that you can prove what you believe is fact yet have no evidence.

 

[corinth77777]

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Washing of hands is Good when you have given absolute truth to someone...and they reject. But that's not the case here.

No one has proven Angels can procreate.
No one has proven that in the context sons of God are angels. I was open to listening for facts but niether of you have presented any.

 

[corinth77777]

In reference to Jude 6-7
You said you have a spouse. I assume you know how children are made correct? Or is this a deliberate refusal to understand the implication of fornication to which Gen 6 fully explains beyond doubt.?

This is not building up anyone so I will move on after this comment. Realize the same could be said for you. That reject: angels do not Marry. Scriptures can have many different implications that's why many do not agree. One can always imply what he wants a word to mean. Take the word fornication as it pertains to divorce, and you will find many meanings. Depending on what one chooses to prove shall some interpret from.
I of course am open, challenging you to present facts in order to change my mind. Instead I ended up leaning at Leaders who may have been judges and rulers.
Peace to you both...

 

[corinth77777]

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[JacksBratt]

Washing of hands is Good when you have given absolute truth to someone...and they reject. But that's not the case here.

No one has proven Angels can procreate.
No one has proven that in the context sons of God are angels. I was open to listening for facts but niether of you have presented any.

I am washing my hands of this because nobody else is continuing this thread except for one person who denies the facts despite three people presenting them to him.

It's OK. Many people refuse to accept that angels mated with women. Many people accept it.

For me, the Bible makes much clearer sense when it is accepted that they did.

 

[Sanoy]

ExAmple would be Deborah...did the word of come to men as it did to her ? She was a Judge and prophet.

Through post 211 you should be able to figure that out yourself.
Its not for me to get wound up in your traps of definition, through many of your assumptions, so that you can prove what you believe is fact yet have no evidence.

Example of what???

I cannot understand you when you start thoughts then trail off to "....." and then make a conclusion. I'm not going to try and "figure out" what you mean. If you make a post, put your point in that post.

 

[Sanoy]

This is not building up anyone so I will move on after this comment. Realize the same could be said for you. That reject: angels do not Marry. Scriptures can have many different implications that's why many do not agree. One can always imply what he wants a word to mean. Take the word fornication as it pertains to divorce, and you will find many meanings. Depending on what one chooses to prove shall some interpret from.
I of course am open, challenging you to present facts in order to change my mind. Instead I ended up leaning at Leaders who may have been judges and rulers.
Peace to you both...

The verse says that "Angels do not marry" --->"in Heaven". We have already gone over this verse. Angels are spirits and left heaven and put on flesh for this act.

Scripture only means one thing, what the author meant it to mean. That is why you look at the age in which it was written. That age was full of "sons of God" as angels, and divine council literature. It surrounds the literature of the area.

There is no definition of Fornication that renders any other meaning than Angels mating with women for Jude 6-7.

I presented you lists of facts, your response was to ignore them entirely, quote a Bible verse with no explanation, or gave vague responses that ended in ".....". I'll repeat them again, in my own defense, since you claim I did not.

Genesis 4:26 and the Sethite theory.
The view that Genesis 4:26 refers to the sons of God is modern. Jewish writing in and around the second temple era show no such correlation between this verse and the "Sons of God".
Targum of Onkelos - then in his days the children of men ceased from praying in the name of the Lord;''
Targum of Jonathan - this was the age, in the days of which they began to err, and they made themselves idols, and surnamed their idols by the name of the Word of the Lord;''
Jasher 2:3 - "And it was in the days of Enosh that the sons of men continued to rebel and transgress against God, to increase the anger of the Lord against the sons of men."
Jubilees 4:12 - "He began to call on the name of the Lord [YHWH] on the earth."
The Sethithe theory just does not come from a reading of the text. It comes first from a disbelief or disgust over the sin of the watchers and second from trying to find an alternate explanation.

Sons of God are Angels.

• I have given you explicit scriptural reference that identifies the Sons of God as Angels. Job 38:7.
• I have given you explicit scriptural reference that identifies how the Nephilim were produced. Jude 6-7.
• I have given you Authoritative contextual reference "The phrase bene elohim, translated "sons of the Gods", has an exact parallel in Ugaritic and Phoenician texts, referring to the council of the gods. [Source ]
• I have given you counterfactuals like Deuteronomy 38:8 that, via the table of nations informs us that there are 70(2) sons of God, which exceeds the patriarchal line of the Sethite theory. You refuse this on the arbitrary basis that it is not in the KJV. Nor do you attempt to make any comment on why the Masoretic should be preferred over the LLX which preceded it by 1,000 years.
  
• I have given you 2 extra-biblical texts and 2 Targums from around the second temple era commenting on the verse you claim to be a component of the Sethite theory. None of them share your interpretation because your interpretation is modern (relatively).

Psalm 82.

• I have already told you what EL, the root of Elohim means. It means god
• There are no examples of Elohim referring to living human people. All examples Israel, Phoenicia, Ugaric, Cannan are of gods
• No Israelite ruler, judge, leader, priest, anyone referred to themselves, or even thought of themselves as an Elohim
• It would be blasphemy for any Israelite to call himself a god.
• The only use of Elohim as Judges comes from the KJV alone and is derived from the Phrase "judgement of God". Not earthly judges.
• At no point in Israels history have they not died like men. Save Elijah. Every person in the Book of Judges died like men and women. No Israelite at any time expected to die in another way than as a man dies.

 

[Denadii]

Well, no. The only "giants" who have ever lived have simply been tall people; and angels are angels--angels don't have reproductive organs because angels are spirits.

-CryptoLutheran

The giants actually ranged from seven or eight feet tall to four hundred fifty feet tall. 3000 els. Convert that. How tall is 3000 Els?

 

[ViaCrucis]

The giants actually ranged from seven or eight feet tall to four hundred fifty feet tall. 3000 els. Convert that. How tall is 3000 Els?

Square–cube law - Wikipedia
A human-shaped biped that was four hundred and fifty feet tall is a physical impossibility. No, there were no "giants" that tall. The biblical "giants" weren't giants, they were just tall people, like Goliath, who was the same height as many of today's professional basketball players--in fact we have people today in the NBA who are taller than Goliath was.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Denadii]

Square–cube law - Wikipedia
A human-shaped biped that was four hundred and fifty feet tall is a physical impossibility. No, there were no "giants" that tall. The biblical "giants" weren't giants, they were just tall people, like Goliath, who was the same height as many of today's professional basketball players--in fact we have people today in the NBA who are taller than Goliath was.

-CryptoLutheran

Do the people you call giants now have two rows of teeth? Six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot? I assure you my friend Giants were and are real. In fact if you were to go to the Solomon Islands you would find entire cities full of twenty foot tall giants. At the end of the fighting at Guadalcanal there were reports of Japanese and American soldiers being eaten by giants.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Do the people you call giants now have two rows of teeth?

No, but then I also don't believe in bigfoot and fairies.

Japanese and American soldiers being eaten by giants.

Of course they were.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Denadii]

No, but then I also don't believe in bigfoot and fairies.



Of course they were.

-CryptoLutheran

LOL It is your right to believe it or not.

 

[ViaCrucis]

LOL It is your right to believe it or not.

Lemme guess, those photoshopped giant skeleton pictures that were designed for a photoshopping competition in the early 2000's are pictures you believe are real too.

"Skeleton of Giant" Is Internet Photo Hoax
"Giant Skeletons" Fuel Web Hoax
Giant Skeletons Seem Too Real To Be A Hoax

(Designcrowd used to be Worth1000, where the pictures originated as part of a photoshop contest there)

-CryptoLutheran

 

[JacksBratt]

It's sad, but, there was a contest on the internet that had people submit photoshopped photo's to compete for who could produce the most undetectable yet unreal photo. This flooded the internet with false and photoshopped pictures of giants..... funny that eh?

Ever think that this was done on purpose in order to dilute real pictures with fake ones. Now it is very difficult to determine what is truth and not.

However, the bible talks about angels mating with women and the result were giants.

You can believe it........or you can ignore the bible.

It was not the line of Seth as humans mating with humans would never create the giants that gave us the bones that have been discovered all around the world. Nor would they give the hybrid giants that are talked about in the bible. Nimrod's bed was 18 feet long.

LA Marzulli, Brien Foerster, and Steve Quayle have done so much research on this that it is impossible to prove them wrong. Their evidence is overwhelming.


Even today, giant skulls, bones and structures are being discovered and linked to biblical facts and timelines.

 

[Denadii]

It's sad, but, there was a contest on the internet that had people submit photoshopped photo's to compete for who could produce the most undetectable yet unreal photo. This flooded the internet with false and photoshopped pictures of giants..... funny that eh?

Ever think that this was done on purpose in order to dilute real pictures with fake ones. Now it is very difficult to determine what is truth and not.

However, the bible talks about angels mating with women and the result were giants.

You can believe it........or you can ignore the bible.

It was not the line of Seth as humans mating with humans would never create the giants that gave us the bones that have been discovered all around the world. Nor would they give the hybrid giants that are talked about in the bible. Nimrod's bed was 18 feet long.

LA Marzulli, Brien Foerster, and Steve Quayle have done so much research on this that it is impossible to prove them wrong. Their evidence is overwhelming.


Even today, giant skulls, bones and structures are being discovered and linked to biblical facts and timelines.

True dat! Thank you for the backup. I have to admit though. The thought of giants and other hybrids and even cryptids, is rather hard to swallow at first. Then things slowly start to make sense. Genesis 6 is key to understanding much of the mystery of this life.

 

[Sea Horse]

Could we be mixed with giants and angels? And when the scales fall will we see our true selves ?

No , humans were mixed with angels before flood , that's why flood needed to happen . Genesis 6:9 does not mean that Noah was perfect as sinless because he would be the Messiah , he was perfect in way that his seed was not corrupted , 9 were saved rest drowned .

Nephilim were after flood aswell , that's why God ordered to murder every child , woman and man when Jews were entering thier promised land .

 

[Denadii]

No , humans were mixed with angels before flood , that's why flood needed to happen . Genesis 6:9 does not mean that Noah was perfect as sinless because he would be the Messiah , he was perfect in way that his seed was not corrupted , 9 were saved rest drowned .

Nephilim were after flood aswell , that's why God ordered to murder every child , woman and man when Jews were entering thier promised land .

Nephilim are still being "Built" today..Satan has never stopped his efforts to be god. Again, many of the Nephilim and the Raphaim were killed by the flood but many escaped too. The explanation of this could cause, uh...unrest?

 

[JacksBratt]

True dat! Thank you for the backup. I have to admit though. The thought of giants and other hybrids and even cryptids, is rather hard to swallow at first. Then things slowly start to make sense. Genesis 6 is key to understanding much of the mystery of this life.

Very true. When I was young and ran across that verse... I asked my father what it was all about. He didn't really have an answer.

Little did I know that it would take 30 or more years before I would start to see answers to my question.

One other telling verse is:

Genesis 6:11-13King James Version (KJV)

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.


13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

This portion explains the parallel that is mentioned in the book of Enoch where the Nephilim took to genetic splicing and mixing of the DNA of all creatures. The creatures of Greek mythology, to us, are myth. To those taught in the education of Greece they are real and truly existed.

Once you realize that times on this earth and conditions of the years before the flood, were very different than today.

It is our error to believe that earth has always been this way.

Adding larger than life giants explains many of the historical megaliths and structures that had people scratching their heads for years. Not to mention that it clears up a lot of the questions of biblical issues.

 

[Denadii]

Very true. When I was young and ran across that verse... I asked my father what it was all about. He didn't really have an answer.

Little did I know that it would take 30 or more years before I would start to see answers to my question.

One other telling verse is:

Genesis 6:11-13King James Version (KJV)

11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.


12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.


13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

This portion explains the parallel that is mentioned in the book of Enoch where the Nephilim took to genetic splicing and mixing of the DNA of all creatures. The creatures of Greek mythology, to us, are myth. To those taught in the education of Greece they are real and truly existed.

Once you realize that times on this earth and conditions of the years before the flood, were very different than today.

It is our error to believe that earth has always been this way.

Adding larger than life giants explains many of the historical megaliths and structures that had people scratching their heads for years. Not to mention that it clears up a lot of the questions of biblical issues.

It was not only the giants that did the work. The fallen angels used tech to carry the large and heavy stones for miles to complete the building. Then the only way to fit the stones with such precision would be to soften the rock to the consistency of marshmallows and squeeze them into place. Do you recognize the source of this opinion?

 

[JacksBratt]

Nephilim are still being "Built" today..Satan has never stopped his efforts to be god. Again, many of the Nephilim and the Raphaim were killed by the flood but many escaped too. The explanation of this could cause, uh...unrest?

I am not of the belief that any escaped. I believe they were all killed in the flood. Noah's line was "perfect in it's generations" while the wives he chose for his sons were not.

The marriages between pure seed and contaminated seed can, in fact, produce pure human line as well as a corrupt line. Canaan was the grandson cursed by Noah.. this is the line that, with some help from ancient writings that Canaan found, created the Canaanites and other "ites" that had to be killed off in order to avoid more corruption of the pure human gene pool.

This is where the giants that were mentioned "and also after that" in:

Genesis 6:4King James Version (KJV)

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The genetic blending of the animals and mankind was a continuation of Satan's plan to dilute and corrupt the human DNA blood line so that Christ could never be purely human and thus the gospel would have been impossible.

I just talked to a guy at work, who went to school in Greece, as a primary school student and high school. He said that the existence of Pegasus, Minotaur, cyclops, and other "mythical" creatures. Which were taught as myths, to us..... were not taught as mythical.

You are right that Satan is still doing genetic splicing. The "alien greys" that we hear about, more and more, are actually demons. Their bodies are genetic spices with other creatures in Satans attempt to create in "God's image".

Abductions are now being recognized as real events and the sperm and ovum of humans is being mingled with other creatures.

Remember what the bible says.....


Matthew 24:37King James Version (KJV)

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

People.... just because things seem beyond our comprehension, remember the things that happened in the bible, awesome and wondrous things that would blow your mine. Elijah at mount Carmel, The ascension of Christ, the sun standing still or moving backward.

Now, realize that times were not always as they are today and they will not stay the way they are today for much longer.