Are we in the 7 year tribulation?

[Douggg]

"Yes" When the 7th Angel "begins to sound", the mystery of God is finished (The End)

Revelation 11:15KJV
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

(When He Shall Begin To Sound)

Revelation 10:7KJV
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The text does not say "is finished", but should be finished.

 

[Douggg]

"Yes" Revelation 11:18 is the "Final Judgement" (The End)

(The Time Of The Dead, That They Should Be Judged) (The End)

Revelation 11:18KJV
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

It would be helpful if you could envision that verses 15-19 reflect a scene taking place in heaven. The 24 elders are rejoicing because the time had come for Satan and his angels, and their kingdom of Babylon the Great, to be dismantled, and Satan's free-roaming days of evil to come to end, a time, times, half time after being cast down to earth - in the days when the seventh angel begins to sound.

 

[Truth7t7]

The text does not say "is finished", but should be finished.

Your now a Greek Scholar and Translator, Smiles!

 

[Truth7t7]

It would be helpful if you could envision that verses 15-19 reflect a scene taking place in heaven. The 24 elders are rejoicing because the time had come for Satan and his angels, and their kingdom of Babylon the Great, to be dismantled, and Satan's free-roaming days of evil to come to end, a time, times, half time after being cast down to earth - in the days when the seventh angel begins to sound.

It would be helpful for you to adhere to God's simple words of truth, and put away your private interpretations not found in scripture

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[David Kent]

The future tribulation will be 3.5 years starting when the literal human man (The Man Of Sin/The Beast) is revealed to the world

I don't follow the Irvingites or John N. Darby's dispensationalism, there won't be a pre-trib rapture or millennial kingdom on this earth

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

Yes Alcasar and Ribera were both Roman Catholic Jesuits and false teachers

Yes reformed eschatology follows Alcasars teachings in 66-70AD fulfillment in the Roman Destruction of Jerusalem, Just as dispensationalism follows Riberas false teachings

Jesus Is The Lord

All Futurism is a result of Belarmine's teaching, which was to counter the teaching of the Reformers but not only the Reformers but those before the reformation, the Waldensians John Huss and his followers, the Lollards and many others. The persecuted saints in the middle ages were comforted by the knowledge that their tribulations were known to God and that their sufferings would be punished. Futurism, Preterism, Seven Parallel vision teaching and other modern ideas, have sustained no Martyrs as the historical teaching has.

I suggest that read History Unveiling Prophecy by Guinness. You can get a reprint from Amazon and other sellers, or free download from historicism.com and other sites. Google books do an ebookt but there is a charge.

You will probably learn a lot about history that you didnt know. I did.

 

[Truth7t7]

All Futurism is a result of Belarmine's teaching

"False"

There are many things seen in the Bible that are future

Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, The Beast as a literal human man, the two witnesses, the second coming, on and on

 

[trophy33]

There are many things seen in the Bible that are future...Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, The Beast as a literal human man, the two witnesses, the second coming, on and on

"There are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they have seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Mt 16:27

"Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:34

...the ends of the ages are arrived.
1Cor 10:11

"...and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. "
1 The 5:23

Who was manifest in these last times for you
1 Pt 1:20

The end of all things is at hand.
1 Pt 4:7

It is the last hour
1 John 2:18

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
Rev 1:1

What do you do with verses like this? Idealistic approach? Spiritual coming? Mistaken apostles? Unfulfilled prophecies?

 

[Truth7t7]

"There are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they have seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Mt 16:27

"Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:34

...the ends of the ages are arrived.
1Cor 10:11

"...and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. "
1 The 5:23

Who was manifest in these last times for you
1 Pt 1:20

The end of all things is at hand.
1 Pt 4:7

It is the last hour
1 John 2:18

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
Rev 1:1

What do you do with verses like this? Idealistic approach? Spiritual coming? Mistaken apostles? Unfulfilled prophecies?

Do you deny a "future" literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens as seen below?

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[David Kent]

"False"

There are many things seen in the Bible that are future

Daniel's AOD, The Great Tribulation, The Beast as a literal human man, the two witnesses, the second coming, on and on

Not false.
The dtmd, or aod, was the Roman armies with their Eagle standard surrounding Jerusalem Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Remember that jesus told the disciples the when they saw the abomination of desolation, that is armies surrounding Jerusalem then they should scarper. History tells us that the did. That time would be the great tribulation on the unbelieving Jews. Great tribulation in Revelation is on believers, not Jews. The beast is the papacy. Jesus' return is of course still future. And so on may have happened or may not.

I read a book on prophecy written about 120 years ago where the author said one of the two signs of his coming is that it will be as in the days of Lot. He said he couldn't see how that could happen. Oh! If only he had known.

 

[Truth7t7]

Not false.
The dtmd, or aod, was the Roman armies with their Eagle standard surrounding Jerusalem Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

Remember that jesus told the disciples the when they saw the abomination of desolation, that is armies surrounding Jerusalem then they should scarper. History tells us that the did. That time would be the great tribulation on the unbelieving Jews. Great tribulation in Revelation is on believers, not Jews. The beast is the papacy. Jesus' return is of course still future. And so on may have happened or may not.

I read a book on prophecy written about 120 years ago where the author said one of the two signs of his coming is that it will be as in the days of Lot. He said he couldn't see how that could happen. Oh! If only he had known.

I Disagree, Nothing within Matthew 24, Mark 13, or Luke 21, was fulfilled in 66-70AD Jerusalem as reformed preterist eschatology teaches

You will closely note the fulfilling of the gentiles seen in the chapters described above, is also seen in Revelation 11:2, as this chapter is future, and will see the second coming at the 7th angel in Revelation 11:15 (The End)

Point Of Interest: The book of Revelation was written in 96AD while John was in prison on Patmos Island, under the Reign of Emperor Domitian 81-96AD

Yes the verse seen written in Revelation 11:2 wasn't fulfilled at the time of the writing, some 26 years "after 70AD" in Jerusalems destruction by Roman Armies

(Fulfilling Of The Gentiles (Future) Unfulfilled)

Luke 21:24KJV

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2KJV

2 but the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Revelation 11:15KJV

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Leaviathan]

"There are some of those standing here, who in no wise shall taste of death, until they have seen the Son of man coming in his kingdom."
Mt 16:27

"Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Mt 24:34

...the ends of the ages are arrived.
1Cor 10:11

"...and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. "
1 The 5:23

Who was manifest in these last times for you
1 Pt 1:20

The end of all things is at hand.
1 Pt 4:7

It is the last hour
1 John 2:18

The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
Rev 1:1

What do you do with verses like this? Idealistic approach? Spiritual coming? Mistaken apostles? Unfulfilled prophecies?

We're still here, so he must not have been referring to the generation that was living at the time.

 

[trophy33]

We're still here, so he must not have been referring to the generation that was living at the time.

Therefore? What is your explanation of dozens of such verses throughout the New Testament?

 

[trophy33]

Do you deny a "future" literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens as seen below?

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Do you have a good explanation for dozens of verses throughout the New Testament timing the end of the old age into the 1st century? That was my question.

 

[Truth7t7]

Do you have a good explanation for dozens of verses throughout the New Testament timing the end of the old age into the 1st century? That was my question.

Once Again

Do you deny a "future" literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens as seen below?

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[trophy33]

Once Again

Do you deny a "future" literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens as seen below?

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Ok, no answer. Nevermind then.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ok, no answer. Nevermind then.

Your answer is "No" you don't believe in a future, literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens?

Thanks for sharing your belief

 

[trophy33]

Do you deny...Your answer is "No" ....

We are not in a court. We are in a discussion forum. I asked what is your explanation of so many verses. You, instead, try to play some inquisition role.

 

[Leaviathan]

Therefore? What is your explanation of dozens of such verses throughout the New Testament?

Some appear to focus on "back then" and some focus on the "future"

 

[Timtofly]

That was fulfilled in AD 70 when the abomination of the Roman armies, the eagle stood in the holy place, Jerisalem and then in the temple.

That was not in 70AD. That was around 26AD when Pontius Pilate was made governor of Judaea.

As the prefect of Roman-occupied Palestine, he insulted the religious sensibilities of his Jewish subjects by promoting Roman religion and emperor worship. He provoked both Jews and Samaritans to rioting during his tenure, and he later had to stand trial in Rome for cruelty and oppression.

 

[Clare73]

Almost right.

The NT is completely right and authoritative for God's people, wherein God's people are only those in Christ by the new birth and faith in him.

The NT reveals that all mankind, Jew and Gentile, are on the same footing now; I.e., salvation is only by faith in and trust on the atoning work (blood, Ro 3:25) and the person of Jesus Christ for the remission of their one's sin and right standing with God; I.e., "not guilty," declared righteous (justified). Everyone else is condemned (Ro 5:18).