Are we in the 7 year tribulation?

[Fisherking]

Read Mark 13:32. the short answer is that a lot of damage has been done by people guessing at this. It doesn't matter if you are a dispensationalist premillennial who believes the rapture will happen pre tribulation or not. I don't believe it. I am an amillienialist. But a lot of Christians do. Regardless. Love God and Love Others. If I am wrong you and I will be in a great position. If I am right you and I will be in a great position.

The problem is people do not understand that passage at all, Jews like Paul/Peter would have understood it. You take Day nor Hour like everyone else and miss Jesus' point. The Feasts of Trumps like all other feasts only appeared via "God Time/Lunar Time" (New Moon) and no one could know on what day nor hour the New Moon would come in, BUT.........THINK NOW, they knew within a couple to three days via the phases of the moon and the month they were in. Likewise, we can know approximately when by looking at all the signs just like they did. Jesus will return on the Feast of Trumps just like he died at 9:00 AM on a Passover. No one can now the exact day nor hour, but we can and should know the year, why? By looking at the signs. What brings the DOTL? An Asteroid, In Rev. 8 Trumps 1-4 is one Asteroid (imho its Apophis) and when will that hit? On April 13, 2029. And thus if that happens in the middle of the 70th week, when dies that place the rapture? Fall of 2025. We will not know the exact day nor hour, of course, but we should be able to read the signs all around us when the "New Moon" (when the New Phase is about to hit us).

Jesus fulfilled the Three Spring Feasts. He died, he arose and was without sin. He are now fulfilling the Feast of Weeks/Harvest via us his dutiful harvesters of souls, hes our high priest in heaven. When he blows that Trump (Rev. 4:1) the Church Age Harvest ENDS. Then there will only be two Feasts left for Jesus to fulfill, the Feast of Atonement (Israel MUST REPENT before the 70th week can end as Dan. 9:24-27 says, thus happens in Zech. 13:8-9 JUST BEFORE the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1).

Finally the Feast of Tabernacles (to tabernacle means to Dwell with God) is fulfilled when Jesus rules from Jerusalem for 1000 years, he Dwell with Israel/the world. Jesus fulfills all 7 Feasts. Those Feasts were Holy Convocations (Dress Rehearsals). The LAST TRUMP is Jesus ending the Harvest (Feast of Weeks or Church Age). We can know the times.............just not the exact day nor hour, but why? Because like the lunar moon, we are on God time.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Likewise, we can know approximately when by looking at all the signs just like they did.

Yep! I have been saying this very thing for years. Our Father does not change. Noah knew that the flood was coming in seven days. Elijah knew when he would be taken up to Heaven.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

How will we know when the great tribulation will start?

In Revelation 12:6 The woman flees to the wilderness to be there protected for 1260 days/3.5 years. That is an indication of the events and beginning of "the great tribulation" which is the last half of the divided 7 year tribulation.

 

[Clare73]

In Revelation 12:6 The woman flees to the wilderness to be there protected for 1260 days/3.5 years. That is an indication of the events and beginning of "the great tribulation" which is the last half of the divided 7 year tribulation.

There is no "7 year tribulation" presented in Scripture.

 

[Douggg]

There is no "7 year tribulation" presented in Scripture.

Hi Clare, I think if we all just said 70th week to represent the 7 years. And the great tribulation as the time between when the abomination of desolation is set up until Jesus's return, His Second Coming. A lot of the confusion in these discussions would go away.

Stop using rapture timing terms like pretrib - and use pre-70th week instead.

Stop using pot-trib - and use post-70th week instead.

Stop using mid-trib - and use mid-70th week instead.

 

[Clare73]

Hi Clare, I think if we all just said 70th week to represent the 7 years. And the great tribulation as the time between when the abomination of desolation is set up until Jesus's return, His Second Coming. A lot of the confusion in these discussions would go away.

Stop using rapture timing terms like pretrib - and use pre-70th week instead.

Stop using pot-trib - and use post-70th week instead.

Stop using mid-trib - and use mid-70th week instead.

"Anytime rapture". . .(your "custom title")

Does not the man of lawlessness have to be revealed first (2 Th 2:3)?

If so, is it "anytime" or is it "only after" the man of lawlessness is revealed (which excludes "anytime" before that)?

 

[Douggg]

"Anytime rapture". . .(your "custom title")

Does not the man of lawlessness have to be revealed first (2 Th 2:3)?

If so, is it "anytime" or is it "only after" the man of lawlessness is revealed (which excludes "anytime" before that)?

anytime between right this very second, until the man of sin is revealed (2Thessalonians2:3-4) - that window.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

There is no "7 year tribulation" presented in Scripture.

Is that like saying, "there is no word 'rapture' in the Bible"?

 

[Clare73]

Is that like saying, "there is no word 'rapture' in the Bible"?

The "catching up" in Greek is harpazo, in the Latin translation of Greek it is rapturo, in the English translation of Latin it is rapture.

Which is also like saying "there is no word 'sovereign" in the Bible."

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

The "catching up" in Greek is harpazo, in the Latin translation of Greek it is rapturo, in the English translation of Latin it is rapture.

Which is also like saying "there is no word 'sovereign" in the Bible."

I'm aware of that, I was asking concerning what you said, not asking you to explain to me what I said.

 

[Clare73]

I'm aware of that, I was asking concerning what you said, not asking you to explain to me what I said.

What I said was there was no "7-year" (in either the Greek nor the English) tribulation, as you stated, in the authoritative apostolic teaching of the NT.
However, there is a "rapture" (in the Greek--harpazo and in the English), as I stated, in apostolic teaching of the NT.

The former (7 years) is personal interpretation of prophetic riddles, while the latter (NT Greek text) is authoritative apostolic teaching which does not support your personal interpretations of those prophetic riddles.
Not being in authoritative apostolic teaching of the NT Greek text, we have no authoritative basis for adding a NT "7-year tribulation" to God's Biblical truth.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

What I said was there was no "7-year" (in either the Greek nor the English) tribulation, as you stated, in the authoritative apostolic teaching of the NT.
However, there is a "rapture" (in the Greek--harpazo and in the English), as I stated, in apostolic teaching of the NT.

The former (7 years) is personal interpretation of prophetic riddles, while the latter (NT Greek text) is authoritative apostolic teaching which does not support your personal interpretations of those prophetic riddles.
Not being in authoritative apostolic teaching of the NT Greek text, we have no authoritative basis for adding a NT "7-year tribulation" to God's Biblical truth.

You have only so far said that there is no 7-year tribulation. I have not even said that there is a 7-year tribulation but you jump ahead to say that I am wrong to think that there is.

You do not count what is said in the OT of 'the former 7 years' as having anything to say about prophetic end-time events. But Jesus said that none of it will pass away until it is all fulfilled.

You are using personal interpretations or establishing personal favoring rules of convenience that you want me to abide by even as you accuse me of having/using personal interpretations.

I have stated my reasons why I will not reply any further. Enjoy your private teaching. Perhaps someone will post their agreement with you.

 

[Clare73]

You have only so far said that there is no 7-year tribulation. I have not even said that there is a 7-year tribulation

See post #123.

I don't see a good prognosis here.

 

[T.i.m.o.t.h.y.]

See post #123.

I don't see a good prognosis here.

You look at everything that someone says even when it's to someone else. I don't keep in mind what I said to someone else when I talk to another. Especially when #123 was posted a day before what I posted to you in #128.

I don't review what I said on a previous different day when I reply to someone else the next day. Excuse me that I didn't review before I replied to you saying that I haven't said anything about a 7 year tribulation. What a difference a day makes.