Are we all the result of (prior) conditioning or programming...?

[Neogaia777]

Boy do I know a thing or two about that... (multiple, very well timed, "coincidences" with shooting stars, ect, that kind of thing)...

All showing me that he knew all way ahead of time, when I was going to "look up" right at that/those times, and in those exact moments, that sort of thing...

God Bless!

Among many, "many" "other things" (experiences) (kind of) "like" this/these, way to many times, (more than I can count) all showed me that God knew way, way ahead of time, the exact timing of these (sorts of, kinds of) things in my life... And prearranged and preordered it all, and knew it all, way ahead of time...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

The human animal is really no different than other animals in regards to being conditioned by society and peer influence. When we are born our database is empty and we begin to accumulate data by trial and error and by association. We do have certain pre-programmed instincts that drive us but those too can be influenced by society. Each person takes the data and processes it differently. As we collect data through trial and error that data acts as a filter through which later data must pass and be evaluated. All of this data is formed into all the things and idea that we "presuppose" to be true about life, and that is why each individual sees differently although born into an exact situation as someone else. It is the minutia of detail that personalizes the code of our brains and makes us all different.

Then, enters Truth at conversion. Since our database is corrupted because of our inability to compute the data properly and draw the proper conclusions an outside force was needed if we are to ever realize what "truth" is. God became a man and entered onto the stage of life to show mankind how to disinfect their hearts (database) and how to draw the right conclusions. Mankind was given the choice as to whether or not to load the new program and re-write the data so that his presuppositions would be over-written. Still, for most who admitted they need help and accepted the offer, they secretly hid their old presuppositions to assist them in the event a contingency plan was needed. These people immediately started to decode the new program by adding "what if" scenarios to cover any contingencies that lacked appeal, like, loving their enemies, over-coming evil with good, resisting not the evil person, etc..

Consequently, there are no two databases alike, each has its own personality. Even two people born into exact situations will after much data has been logged diverge and travel separate roads. It is impossible for there to be two exact databases, all are corrupted by the minutia of sin.

Does God already pre-know all of that...? Before it happens to and with us, and can so predict it all way ahead of time...?

There are some things that happen or that we are exposed to or are predisposed to before birth also, that need to be "figured into that" (that equation, that program) as well... Our experiences in the womb, our genetic or hereditary make up, that sort of thing... But does, or can, or does God "know it all", "all of that" way beforehand, and way ahead of time, and how that will affect and/or make up "us" and how "all that" will affect and influence our choices and decision making processes, that sort of thing...? or not...?

God Bless!

 

[Denadii]

Are we all the result of (prior) conditioning or programming...? Or are all our life choices based on, or are all the result of (prior) conditioning or programming...?

"All of us" say, all the way up to "now" or not...?

Is our life(s) one big equation...? All the result of prior conditioning or programming....? And choice really an illusion, or can be all predicted, and is entirely predictable, at least, or not...?

If you had someone else's life down to "every single smallest experience or condition", would you "be them" basically...? And would you make all the same exact choices they did in their lives...? Or is there something that separates us and makes us all different in some way, with "choices"...? And even if we did have all their conditions and experiences down to the smallest degree, would we might have done it differently, regardless of that...? Or not...?

For example Adam and Eve... If you were Adam and/or Eve, would you have done it, or chose differently, or not...?

And all of the peoples choices after that, all a result of everything prior to that, or not...?

Comments...?

Even and including prior conditions of even in the womb, or prior preexisting hereditary or genetic conditions even... If you had all the exact same (conditions, conditioning, experiences) as someone else, would you be like them, or exactly like them, basically... In all their life choices after that and "everything" basically...?

Or is there something that separates us and makes us different that way...?

Or are we all really only following "one big program" basically...? All the way up to "now" basically...? And are all entirely predictable say, by a God...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Yeah, I've heard that nonsense too.

 

[Denadii]

Did God created u as a robot?

The question is valid..Several scholars postulate that we are living in a virtual reality...like the Matrix....I cannot blame one for asking the question, though I consider the idea total nonsense.

 

[Neogaia777]

Yeah, I've heard that nonsense too.

The question is valid..Several scholars postulate that we are living in a virtual reality...like the Matrix....I cannot blame one for asking the question, though I consider the idea total nonsense.

So, God is not "all-knowing" then...?

God Bless!

 

[Denadii]

So, God is not "all-knowing" then...?

God Bless!

What does a silly theory have to do with God? Of course God is all knowing..Man is the one who know nothing Man listens to his 'educated idiot box' located between his ears, and thinks he is soooo smart...So smart he does not need to listen to God....

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Did God created u as a robot?

A question I would think that has been asked since close to the beginning of time?

Robots no but, God did know who were going to be the chosen ones.

It seems to me from what I have read and studied in the Bible some were destined to follow God and Christ and the Holy Spirit and the others were destined to follow the devil.

The only ones that will be with Him will be the ones that the Father has given to Him.

Jesus stated that, he came for his sheep and that He did not come for the other sheep.

M-Bob

 

[listed]

Are we all the result of (prior) conditioning or programming...? Or are all our life choices based on, or are all the result of (prior) conditioning or programming...?

"All of us" say, all the way up to "now" or not...?

Is our life(s) one big equation...? All the result of prior conditioning or programming....? And choice really an illusion, or can be all predicted, and is entirely predictable, at least, or not...?

If you had someone else's life down to "every single smallest experience or condition", would you "be them" basically...? And would you make all the same exact choices they did in their lives...? Or is there something that separates us and makes us all different in some way, with "choices"...? And even if we did have all their conditions and experiences down to the smallest degree, would we might have done it differently, regardless of that...? Or not...?

For example Adam and Eve... If you were Adam and/or Eve, would you have done it, or chose differently, or not...?

And all of the peoples choices after that, all a result of everything prior to that, or not...?

Comments...?

Even and including prior conditions of even in the womb, or prior preexisting hereditary or genetic conditions even... If you had all the exact same (conditions, conditioning, experiences) as someone else, would you be like them, or exactly like them, basically... In all their life choices after that and "everything" basically...?

Or is there something that separates us and makes us different that way...?

Or are we all really only following "one big program" basically...? All the way up to "now" basically...? And are all entirely predictable say, by a God...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

In my daily experience I observe Pavlov's theory to be true.

Your post includes way to much.

 

[listed]

If God is 100% fully omniscient, then (cause that means 100% absolutely "all-knowing") then he has to "know all" then, right...? Including all supposed "choices", outcomes of those choices, and all our "programming" basically, from the very beginning, to it's ending, right...?

Now how is that so, or how can that be so...?

God Bless!

That doesn't mean God interferes with our choices. God knows what we will do with our free will.

 

[Neogaia777]

God knows what we will do with our free will.

Doesn't that mean we really do not have free will, and do not actually make any "choices" then, not really...?

And how much or how many of our "choices" are based on prior conditioning, or environmental factors, or conditions, or "whatever"...

Are we really making "actual choices" in those instances...?

What would be a "true choice" apart from all of that...? (if there is any or such a thing that is)...?

God Bless!

 

[listed]

Doesn't that mean we really do not have free will, and do not actually make any "choices" then, not really...?

No

 

[Neogaia777]

No

Why or why not...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I know that rebellious man likes to think the he is in control of his own life and his own destiny (believe me when I say, oh how well I do know and understand that completely) (And that also, is fully known by God, and can be fully predicted by, and "worked around by" God, as well)... But, I would just like you all to consider that, that, just may, or may or might not be the case...?

What if everything we have, and everything we are, could all be all totally predicted by God from the very beginning...? And is all already fully and completely known by God...?

And that He is the one "in control" (of our choices, free will, destiny, "whatever") and not us...?

What does, or what would that mean for us...?

Again, he did not "cause us" to be (the way we are, choices we make/made, ect) but just knew all about it, and created it all to be that way, from the very beginning... And therefore, "knows it all" and can therefore 100% fully predict it all... And it all, from a very long, long long time ago...

God Bless!

 

[JIMINZ]

Again,
he did not "cause us" to be (the way we are, choices we make/made, ect)
but just knew all about it, and created it all to be that way, from the very beginning...

That is called a contradiction.

God either caused it all to happen or He didn't.

 

[Neogaia777]

That is called a contradiction.

God either caused it all to happen or He didn't.

It is not a contradiction... Creating a thing, and/but also knowing everything about it, (what it would do, what it would be, or be used for, ect) ARE NOT the same (thing)...

He "causes" or caused creation, but/and only after that, just knew everything and all about it, is all...

God Bless!

 

[JIMINZ]

Jesus stated that, he came for his sheep and that He did not come for the other sheep.

Mat 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

 

[JIMINZ]

I'm sorry, you need to take more care in the way you express what it is you believe, and would like to understand, because it sounds as though your saying something different that what you either believe or think your saying.

 

[Neogaia777]

I'm sorry, you need to take more care in the way you express what it is you believe, and would like to understand, because it sounds as though your saying something different that what you either believe or think your saying.

Who are you talking to...?

God Bless!

 

[JIMINZ]

Who are you talking to...?

God Bless!

You I thought I clicked the reply thingy, sorry

 

[Neogaia777]

I'm sorry, you need to take more care in the way you express what it is you believe, and would like to understand, because it sounds as though your saying something different that what you either believe or think your saying.

You I thought I clicked the reply thingy, sorry

Oh, OK...?

Well, to me then, OK...

Well, I prefer to try to, and sometimes will even argue for, both sides of an issue, before, or until, I feel like I have or can come to a definite conclusion on the matter and/or issue...? Sorry if that can be confusing sometimes, but that is just kind of the way I am and work...

Like the whole free will, and predestination/choice, God's omniscience/sovereignty thing(s)/issue(s)...

I don't like to, (or try not to), draw any 100% "for sure conclusions", till I feel like i have fully explored both sides of an issue...

Sorry if that's confusing...

God Bless!