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When faithlessness is labeled faith and faith is called condemnation. I'm not sure you'll understand.When has anyone said that Satan's bad is good?
Are you saying God God always wants to heal everyone - either instantaneously or gradually??There is the difference between our beliefs.
BTW thank you for being so patient with me and your well thought out replies.
I believe Salvation is the most important thing. Salvation was bought and paid for by Jesus Christ through His death, burial and resurrection.
It's his desire that all should be saved, certainly, 2 Peter 3:9.I believe it is God's will that all mankind would repent and come into Salvation - that is God's will on the earth - yet many will not.
I believe that it is God's will that we, as His children, live righteous and holy lives - yet some do not.
I believe that it is God's will that we live in peace - yet some do not.
So, keeping with the topic of healing - is there any instance in Scripture showing that the will of God was shown to heal people and they did not get healed?
Yes.
Luke 5:17 Now it happened on a certain day, as He was teaching, that there were Pharisees and teachers of the law sitting by, who had come out of every town of Galilee, Judea, and Jerusalem. And the power of the Lord was present to heal them.Here is a house filled with people, the Word plainly states "the power of the Lord was present to heal them". The will of God was that they would be healed (that is why God's power was there), Jesus filled with the Holy Spirit was there and in fact healed a man right in the middle of them. Yet, not one of them was healed.
When faithlessness is labeled faith and faith is called condemnation.
Jesus reprimanded the disciples for the lack of faith that is being help up as faithfulness in this "smarter than God" Christianity.
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Is there scriptural support for the idea that we cannot be healed of some conditions?
Like, are there limits to what we can and cannot be healed of?
What is our response to people who genuinely ask for healing but do not receive it?
Forgive me, but that sounds as though you're leading up to saying that they did not get healed because they didn't have enough faith.
Are you saying God God always wants to heal everyone - either instantaneously or gradually??
But if he did, then he would.
God reprimanded Job.It depends on what you mean by faith.
Someone might pray, "Lord I ask for healing, I know you want me to be healed physically and that you will do as I ask", and tries hard to believe that that prayer will be answered.
That's not faith.
That's telling God what you want to happen and trying hard to believe that it will.
Faith is Job saying, "though he forsake me, I will trust him."
Or Shadrach, Meshack and Abednego saying, "Our God is able to rescue us - but if not ...."
Or Habakkuk saying "though there be no fruit on the vines - yet I will praise God." Habakkuk 3:17.
Or Peter, Paul and the others being thrown into prison, yet continuing to trust God.
Faith is people being given prophecies, none of them seeing them fulfilled or receiving what they were promised, but trusting anyway, Hebrew 11:39.
Yes, and God knows our hearts, so he knows whether a person has faith and if so, how much.
It depends on what you mean by faith.
Someone might pray, "Lord I ask for healing, I know you want me to be healed physically and that you will do as I ask", and tries hard to believe that that prayer will be answered.
That's not faith.
That's telling God what you want to happen and trying hard to believe that it will.
Yes, and God knows our hearts, so he knows whether a person has faith and if so, how much.
I'm tired of walking on eggshells to be polite. What is so wrong with showing the same compassion that Jesus showed
The only times Jesus wasn't able to minister miraculously was due to unbelief.
It's not compassion to tell someone mired in sickness and unbelief that it must just be God's will for them to live and die in pain.
Me too.I have physical issues myself.
The Bible says God heals those things.
I have my doubts that God is good to me.
Yes, I am.
Does God want everyone saved?
if He does, why isn’t everyone saved?
Have I said anything outside scripture?
Did I say why I thought they were not healed, or just pointed out that they weren’t even though it was clearly Gods will to heal them.
Nothing at all; that is what we should do.
But that doesn't mean that is still true today.
How is saying, "you haven't been healed because you haven't got enough faith", showing compassion?
People in Jesus' day could see him and they didn't believe.
We can't see him - yet we trust in him, have received him as our Saviour, read his word, believe he answers our prayers and so on. Those who go forward for prayer at healing services believe - as do the people who pray for them.
Yet, not everyone is physically healed.
I don't know of anyone who does that.
Certainly of no one who uses those words; why would they?
Me too.
The Bible says that God heals. The timing and method are down to him.
It is still a fact that Christians die from cancer, heart problems, in car accidents etc.
I used to think that the way for God to show his love for me was by removing my physical illnesses.
He didn't do that, when I was a teenager, so I concluded he didn't love me.
I was so wrong. The cross shows God's love for me. 1 John 3:16, "THIS is how we know what love is; Jesus gave his life for us.""
I believe everything is included in the atonement, including healing and health.
If you pray in the name of Jesus, you receive because of what Jesus did in the atonement. What other way is there to receive from God? All the promises, those that benefit us, we receive in His suffering, death, burial, resurrection, and enthronement in heaven with the Father.
But the problem is that thousands of Christians believe in the cross, pray in Jesus' name and are not physically healed.
If it was absolutely guaranteed, everyone would receive it; first time every time.
The receiving is not as important as the believing. The last part of Hebrews 11 is about people who believed for something and never received it... and yet it was counted to them as righteousness. The worst thing we can do is believe the word and then deny it because of what may or may not happen. IOWs, they judge the word of God by their own experience. They count their own faith as true and the word of God as false. "I did not fail; God's word must not be true."But the problem is that thousands of Christians believe in the cross, pray in Jesus' name and are not physically healed.
If it was absolutely guaranteed, everyone would receive it; first time every time.
How has this post gone on this long?If the question is regarding a limitation of God's power, the answer is always no, because there is no limit to God's power and what He can do.
You keep repeating that -
But it did not happen in scripture with Jesus' own ministry as shown in Luke 5 -
The will of God was that they would be healed
The power of God was there specifically to heal them
Jesus was there and healed a man in front of them
Not one of them got healed -
The blind man did not receive his healing first time.
Salvation is also absolutely guaranteed - yet a person's personal beliefs can prevent it.
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