Are there flat earthers here?

[CodyFaith]

The firmament is above the sky. The sun ,moon and all stars,etc are within it.
Glad your not a scientist,for they have no credibility. they are here to confuse us and deny the glory of God.
NASA rocket or space shuttle launches are just for show,"yep there it goes to outer space" people are thinking. It's what I used to think. I'm not an expert on the bible,I simply believe it to be true. We need to trust God ,have faith in God.

Ok but evaporation is true, and clouds are not above the sun and moon.

So why can't that be the meaning the the firmament, to separate water from the ground from the sky, and most importantly, why is there an extra huge body of water surrounding everything? What is the point of that?

I know why you're saying all this, because your quoting Genesis 1:14, but could not that verse and the succeeding verses simply mean that the sun and moon and such are seen in the sky, the firmament? I admit it sounds otherwise, and does sound as though it means they are physically placed within it, but I've never been able to tell myself a purpose for there to be water above the sun, it simply, philosophically and metaphysically speaking, doesn't make sense, as evaporation is a true phenomenon.

 

[Duzmond]

Ok but evaporation is true, and clouds are not above the sun and moon.

So why can't that be the meaning the the firmament, to separate water from the ground from the sky, and most importantly, why is there an extra huge body of water surrounding everything? What is the point of that?

I know why you're saying all this, because your quoting Genesis 1:14, but could not that verse and the succeeding verses simply mean that the sun and moon and such are seen in the sky, the firmament? I admit it sounds otherwise, and does sound as though it means they are physically placed within it, but I've never been able to tell myself a purpose for there to be water above the sun, it simply, philosophically and metaphysically speaking, doesn't make sense, as evaporation is a true phenomenon.

Evaporation happens under the firmament,the clouds are under the firmament.
above the firmament is more water,another ocean. God is up there.

 

[CodyFaith]

Evaporation happens under the firmament,the clouds are under the firmament.
above the firmament is more water,another ocean. God is up there.

Why would there be another ocean? What would be the point?

 

[Duzmond]

Why would there be another ocean? What would be the point?

It's how it was created,as described in Genesis. You are just not grasping the depth of the deception here in this place. satan doesn't want us having a relationship with our creator,it's really that simple.

 

[CodyFaith]

It's how it was created,as described in Genesis. You are just not grasping the depth of the deception here in this place. satan doesn't want us having a relationship with our creator,it's really that simple.

I agree Satan doesn't want mankind having a relationship with the Creator, which is why the theory of evolution is in full effect, the age of the earth being way longer than it is, pangea, our science textbooks in general and many things they teach, and maybe even other planets existing (because really, what would be the point of other planets existing? It screams aliens, and aliens simply aren't biblical).

But I personally see "in the firmament" to mean to be seen in the firmament. Genesis 1:20 even says the birds will fly in the firmament.

 

[brinny]

brinny said: ↑
Where does Genesis address what you posted in post #72?

I understand its not easy for you to grasp,it took me 50 years to come to my senses.
when I used to read the creation account it did not make sense, I was trying to fit outer space and all the baloney they are telling us into it.

Would you kindly tell me where what you posted in post #72 is found in Genesis?

Thank you.

 

[Duzmond]

the earth is about 6000 years old. I am unable to see the firmament up close,so I do not know how to explain that.

 

[Duzmond]

Would you kindly tell me where what you posted in post #72 is found in Genesis?

Thank you.

Pardon me it's not Genesis,its Psalms

Psalms 93.1 Psalms 96.10 Psalms 104.5

 

[CodyFaith]

the earth is about 6000 years old. I am unable to see the firmament up close,so I do not know how to explain that.

But the birds fly across it?

It's very clear from that verse, in my opinion, that it's talking about the space between the ground and the clouds. Birds don't fly anywhere else.

 

[Duzmond]

But the birds fly across it?

It's very clear from that verse, in my opinion, that it's talking about the space between the ground and the clouds. Birds don't fly anywhere else.

you make a good point,and I don't have a good answer for you about it.

In my mind the firmament is a wall that one cannot pass through,from the creation account it seems that everything was water to begin with. The firmament divided the waters so there could be a sky,and place for birds to fly.

 

[brinny]

Pardon me it's not Genesis,its Psalms

Psalms 93.1 Psalms 96.10 Psalms 104.5

Thank you, where in Psalms?

 

[Amorphous]

Repentance of sinning is a key factor in salvation.

Turning from sin is a key factor in discipleship*.

And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil ways, and GOD repented of the evil that he would do unto them.... Jonah 3:10

Jonah 3:10 teaches

-turning from sin is a work.
-turning from sin is not repentance.
-God repented (he doesn't sin)
-Repentance is a change of mind
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"And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way" Jonah 3:10

He that works is in debt. (Romans 4:4).

James speaks of justification before men. Paul speaks of justification before God.

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24 KJV"

"For if Abraham were justified by works,

he hath whereof to glory;

but not before God."
Romans 4:2 KJV

"Change ye your mind, and believe the Good News".

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[Duzmond]

Thank you, where in Psalms?

It's on the post you quoted.

 

[Duzmond]

Ok, so they say we are spinning around on the globe (can't feel it),and they say the earth is moving even faster around the sun (can't feel it) ,and the sun is moving even faster around the galactic center (can't feel it),and the galaxy is moving yet even faster around some imaginary center (can't feel it). Any yet stars never EVER change position!
Even on star trek there's movement of stars as they go zooming through the galaxy.

If you do a time lapse of the night sky all night the stars go around in a circle.
Seems like clear evidence to me that what they are saying is nonsense.

 

[Amorphous]

Psalm 19 says the sun has a circuit


The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament (Genesis calls the firmament heaven. Sky) sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them (the heavens) hath he set a tabernacle (tent, dome over flat earth?) for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Psalms 19:1‭-‬6 KJV

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:16‭-‬17 KJV

 

[Amorphous]

Then why can a plane go around the earth and come around the other side to the same point.

Here's the claim in a diagram

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[Duzmond]

Psalm 19 says the sun has a circuit


The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament (Genesis calls the firmament heaven. Sky) sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them (the heavens) hath he set a tabernacle (tent, dome over flat earth?) for the sun, Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
Psalms 19:1‭-‬6 KJV

And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, Genesis 1:16‭-‬17 KJV

Agree with everything you are saying. The sun's circuit is OVER the top of the flat earth though. Tame lapse photography shows the sun moving in an arc around the earth. The sun does not go under the horizon,it goes away from you,and you are unable to see it anymore,until it comes back around.

Another interesting thing is I have seen the moon and the sun in the sky at the same time in the middle of the afternoon. So there's nothing on the other side of the ball?

 

[Duzmond]

Here's the claim in a diagram

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Nice diagram. God bless you.

 

[Amorphous]

And time lapses showing a sun shrinking out of distance is claimed to be proof of a low, small sun on a flat earth.

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[Athanasius88]

i just read five pages of this....i have no words to express what it is i am seeing.
Do u really believe this flat earth thing is even moderately important in understanding biblical truth? (i understand u seem to find it entirely critical to your interpretation of Genesis 1 and three verses in Psalms, but how does all of the supposed round earth deception work to confound Gods plan of Salvation?)
Furthermore each evidence u have offered within Scripture has a much more obvious contextual meaning (example: your psalm references clearly establish that the Earth stands as God intended it should, and that it will continue to do so..it doesnt have a thing in the world to do with disproving orbit or rotation or anything of the sort... we have to be careful when interpreting Scripture lest we take it out of context.)
if i can offer you compelling evidence that the Bible is both entirely inerrant and in no way in opposition to a round Earth, would it make any difference to u?