Are there flat earthers here?

[Duzmond]

i just read five pages of this....i have no words to express what it is i am seeing.
Do u really believe this flat earth thing is even moderately important in understanding biblical truth? (i understand u seem to find it entirely critical to your interpretation of Genesis 1 and three verses in Psalms, but how does all of this work to confound Gods plan of Salvation?)
Furthermore each evidence u have offered within Scripture has a much more obvious contextual meaning (example: your psalm references clearly establish that the Earth stands as God intended it should, and that it will continue to do so..it doesnt have a thing in the world to do with disproving orbit or rotation or anything of the sort... we have to be careful when interpreting Scripture lest we take it out of context.)
if i can offer you compelling evidence that the Bible is both entirely inerrant and in no way in opposition to a round Earth, would it make any difference to u?

It may or it may not,I do not know. Please go ahead and offer your compelling evidence.

 

[Cimorene]

I hope there aren't! It's 2016 not 1016.

 

[Duzmond]

I hope there aren't! It's 2016 not 1016.

Ya, they have been working on people's minds for a long time.

 

[Athanasius88]

Ok, I will start with saying that I actually DO agree that there is a group actively seeking to lead the world away from God and Scriptural truth.. Scripture itself alludes to this fact and therefore i feel it is beyond debate. HOWEVER i have a feeling this group would have proverbial bigger fish to fry than "duh shape uv duh erf" so, with that being said, i will dispense with talk of secret societies and begin with a logical treatment of the Biblical compatibility of a round Earth hanging unsupported in a vast nothingness..
First off, any time u study even the smallest verse of Scripture u must take at least three things into account (the character of the writing, the context of the statement, and the audience being addressed) Let us apply this to Genesis Chapter 1...Character of writing is that it presents itself as a Historical account of origin of the Creation, the context of the particular verses about Firmament Genesis 1:6-8 and Genesis 1:20 is the detailing of the manner and order of the things created, and the audience addressed is all mankind.
Some folks get hung up on this firmament and they will tell u how the ancient middle eastern reckoning was that there was a solid vaulted ceiling that was held up by the mountains and generally this is a method of attempting to cast doubt on the validity of Genesis 1.
(i can see that the reason u believe how u do is because u believe Scripture and that is what u feel Scripture says... this is a good trait, but we must couple this trait with a firm knowledge of the text, or else it can be a hindrance to your growth and understanding)
Firmament in this chapter is always the Hebrew word raqiya (H7549 in the Strong's Concordance if u care to look it up) and it generally means an expanse, in fact Genesis 1:8 tells us God called this expanse "Heaven" which can easily mean and often does mean 'sky' (consider that verse 20 tells of fowl that fly above earth in the open firmament [think expanse] of heaven....so far sky is 2-0 fer being our firmament if we accept the context)
But why is it translated firmament and not expanse? thats a wrong translation isnt it?? Not necessarily, considering that it is entirely firm and immovable. We can rest assured that the sky will never collapse and that what it 'holds up' will never crash down upon us..remember how ridiculous chicken little sounded when he claimed the sky was falling? this is the classical understanding of how the sky as a "firmament"
Now let us leave Genesis, and address a few other places in Scripture, primarily those who speak of "four corners, ends, or any finite boundaries" of the Earth..i wont list these verses individually for brevity sake but many occur in the books of prophecy such as the reference in Isaiah 11:2(Character of Isaiah being Prophecy, context of verse being the coming of Messiah and regathering of Isreal and Judah, audience being the people of Judah) that tells of the dispersed of Judah being regathered from the four corners of the earth (context being the key here that they would be gathered from all over earth) we use very similar phrases to mean the very same concepts today..so this verse is in no way a physical description of earths shape and should never be considered as such.....One more that comes up often is Revelation 7:1(Character is Prophecy, Context is a Vision of events following the opening of the sixth seal, Audience is the Believers) where is speaks of four angels standing on four corners of earth holding the four winds...as a rule (remember this rule) ALL visions in scripture are symbolic, from the first to the last. This cannot be thought of as a physical description either and as such must be viewed in its proper context.
Now for one final Scripture Job 26:7 (Character Poetic account of Historical Event, context the mighty works and sovereign nature of God, audience the Believers) Job is lamenting and striving with his miserable comforters when he declares that God stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing...Job here declares boldly (as if it were commonly known) that Earth hangs upon nothing. this meaning fits the context of his statement and i feel that it is very interesting that we do actually find our planet hanging upon nothing..(there is more deep scientific truth in several other places in the little book of Job if u would care to learn more)
i think this should be compelling enough for the average Bible believing truth seeker. If u are not fully convinced please pm me and i will gladly go further with all of this.

 

[Duzmond]

Some things to consider there for sure,but could not an unmovable earth also hang upon nothing?

 

[Athanasius88]

Some things to consider there for sure,but could not an unmovable earth also hang upon nothing?

it has already been explained , how those verses in the Book of Psalms have nothing to do with whether the Earth is in motion or not, i believe it has been explained to you in another thread as well.....In answer, yes an immovable earth could hang in nothing, but what scriptural basis do we have to require the Earth be motionless?
My next question to u, is why do u seem overly judgemental of others who do not believe the unscriptural things you hold to be fact? I have already seen personally where u have accused other Bible believing Christians of unbelief and of rebellion against God for things that have nothing to do with scriptural obedience or salvation as well as witnessing you shamelessly spreading the falsehood of Mosaic Covenant legalism.... why, brother do u insist in needless division and confrontation as if u were among a hoarde of baseless heathens?

 

[Duzmond]

it has already been explained , how those verses in the Book of Psalms have nothing to do with whether the Earth is in motion or not, i believe it has been explained to you in another thread as well.....In answer, yes an immovable earth could hang in nothing, but what scriptural basis do we have to require the Earth be motionless?
My next question to u, is why do u seem overly judgemental of others who do not believe the unscriptural things you hold to be fact? I have already seen personally where u have accused other Bible believing Christians of unbelief and of rebellion against God for things that have nothing to do with scriptural obedience or salvation as well as witnessing you shamelessly spreading the falsehood of Mosaic Covenant legalism.... why, brother do u insist in needless division and confrontation as if u were among a hoarde of baseless heathens?

Clearly I am not perfect. I if have offended or judged other's I am sorry about that,and would ask that they forgive me. I agree I should watch what I say more than I do. Actually I am quite surprised that my posts have simply not been deleted for the reason you mention. These are touchy subjects that make peoples head's hurt. Do you believe I should simply be quiet?

 

[Duzmond]

it has already been explained , how those verses in the Book of Psalms have nothing to do with whether the Earth is in motion or not, i believe it has been explained to you in another thread as well.....In answer, yes an immovable earth could hang in nothing, but what scriptural basis do we have to require the Earth be motionless?
My next question to u, is why do u seem overly judgemental of others who do not believe the unscriptural things you hold to be fact? I have already seen personally where u have accused other Bible believing Christians of unbelief and of rebellion against God for things that have nothing to do with scriptural obedience or salvation as well as witnessing you shamelessly spreading the falsehood of Mosaic Covenant legalism.... why, brother do u insist in needless division and confrontation as if u were among a hoarde of baseless heathens?

Would it be wise to just forget it and go away?

As far as the not moving part psalms 93.1 ,specifically the part that says,it cannot be moved.

 

[Athanasius88]

Clearly I am not perfect. I if have offended or judged other's I am sorry about that,and would ask that they forgive me. I agree I should watch what I say more than I do. Actually I am quite surprised that my posts have simply not been deleted for the reason you mention. These are touchy subjects that make peoples head's hurt. Do you believe I should simply be quiet?

Of course not, how will u learn if u do not speak and enter into discussion. I dont take issue with u over an desire to understand, or with a misconception about law or biblical interpretation, because we all are in a constant state of learning and i myself have been guilty of many misunderstandings and faulty exegesis. I would be wrong to find contention over such a thing
My question was, what is driving all of the divisiveness? You admit u have noticed a needless edge in your posts. What causes such a defiant bend?
In the interest of not derailing this thread, all future correspondence on this topic should probably be conducted in PM, that way your flat earth thread stays on topic.



Psalm 93:1 that u asked about must be viewed in context my friend, as with all verses..(Character of Book is Poetry, Context is Majesty of God and permanence of his creation, Audience is the Believer)...in this context the meaning is obviously the permanence of Earth, we dont need to worry that anything will destroy it or remove it from its place (other than God Himself of course) because the Lord has declared its place and established it as He saw fit...edited to include this answer

 

[Duzmond]

Of course not, how will u learn if u do not speak and enter into discussion. I dont take issue with u over an desire to understand, or with a misconception about law or biblical interpretation, because we all are in a constant state of learning and i myself have been guilty of many misunderstandings and faulty exegesis. I would be wrong to find contention over such a thing
My question was, what is driving all of the divisiveness? You admit u have noticed a needless edge in your posts. What causes such a defiant bend?
In the interest of not derailing this thread, all future correspondence on this topic should probably be conducted in PM, that way your flat earth thread stays on topic.

I do not like the fact that my mind and body has been worked on since I got here against my will. This is the root of it. I don't like the fact that they go on unchecked.
I realize they will not escape God's wrath,but I guess I am impatient in that regard.
I do not believe i will be happy until the old serpent is cast into the bottomless pit. I would like to actually witness that event. The pain in my heart is very great indeed.

 

[Nico96]

what has the earth being flat or round to do with our salvation ?

 

[Duzmond]

what has the earth being flat or round to do with our salvation ?

From what most people are saying here,nothing at all.

However if you are able to get out of the pre programmed mentality that presides in this world and realize that the Lord's firmament actually is a real thing,then you realize that there is no outer space,as well as a host of other things they are feeding us.
Mystery Babylon must keep the hoax at intense levels so they can play us maybe for a fake alien invasion or some such. The masses will gulp it down,because they all think there actually is outer space for these fake aliens to come from. there is not.

 

[Nico96]

i hope you dont waste that much time on all of this i also believe a few things that you mentioned if you exposed something then move on what is important for us is to be like jesus and preach the gospel

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

what has the earth being flat or round to do with our salvation ?

From the scripture viewpoint versus the "science" viewpoint, it matters as to whether you think there are aliens flying around, that came here from far galaxies, or you understand that these are Satan's minions showing their power, as they always do. If there is no "ball Earth", there was no "Big Bang" and there was no evolution. Science only shows what will deceive people away from trusting God. Too many people fall for an unfounded lie about the earth being a ball. I wondered as a teen why, if gravity is the same because it is the earths core that provides the mass for that, then why are not people in Alaska not crushed by gravity (not as much centrifugal force there) or the people in Brazil not flung off into space? One is going about 1000 mph, and the other not so fast!

Sorry if any of this was said already.

 

[Duzmond]

Another thing to consider is that nobody has ever seen the earth's so called core,the deepest anyone has gone was like 6 kilometers down,that's nowhere near the core. so how can they be so sure that the core is liquid? they are lying about it,simple really.