Of course, the Bible says man was created in God's image, so wouldn't that mean that some trait of humans is shared by God? Furthermore, the essence of communication is the human ability to anthropomorphize. I can communicate with my cat, because I can put myself in his shoes. I can imagine what my cat might be thinking. If we cannot put ourselves in God's shoes, then we have no hope of communication with God. Also how can humans become Godlike if God is so unlike a human?
On the Trinity, I double-dare you to give a clear definition in common everyday words that anybody can understand
Then we can match-up your words with one of the heresies in that Wikipedia link. Maybe you can succeed, but many theologians admit that the Trinity is incomprehensible.
BTW, I agree that "absurd" is subjective in many cases. Even the "Problem of Evil" apparently has some deniers.
Hi,
It seems as though Theologians also agree, (although agreement does not change things in and of it self), that The Trinity though, can be revealed to someone, historically like Paul, or Abraham, or other people in history, and seems to be understood by them. Apart from that experience, it is said to be not understadable, in detail.
I have that experience. And, all the words used to describe God, Theologically and Philosophically, I have trouble with. I do not though, have trouble interfacing with Him, His Son, or who is called a brother of Jesus to me, The Sent One, The Holy Spirit.
Not, in detail here, there is much to be understood, from Theologians, many of them who actually seem to be here. They have a very good and wonderful grasp of the Trinity.
What is lacking, in them, is only not having a direct one on one God encounter, or several, and from that knowing more about the Trinity, because to interface with God directly in a communicative way, for God, seems to take place with God actually giving His Style of communcation also. In short, that style is He changes none of my words or concepts, but uses them, and everything else if from Him, to me.
The Trinity as God, is the first thing I saw, in a series of events that told me much about God. And for all of the Theologians here, I did not see the Face of God. I saw the essence of God. Now back to you.
As the years passed, I had to handle various items. One of the biggest, was actually in The Holy Spirit of God The Father, meaning that which is resident in Him, and The Holy Spirit as a separate person.
Are you ready? The Holy Spirit in God The Father, (The one I am mystically married to), and The Holy Spirit apart from God The Father, internally, is indistinguishable to me.
Imagine, you have a son, that is the spitting image of you. Imagine that he is like you in all ways. Imagine that when people encounter your son, they cannot really tell without looking, that he is not you, and you are not him.
With just the Holy Spirit part of God The Father, that is true.
The Holy Spirit as an entity, as God, is indistinguisable from The Holy Spirit that is also a part of God The Father.
Now for the theologians here. No. No, I am not saying three Gods. No. This is a very specific style of communication, that is being asked for. It is to be simple. As a result, all of my words are hopefully accurate, as I am human and make memory and description errors, but it takes more words, my words with my meanings, to say how God actually is. And the way He is, is precisely what you know, but it is also more than you know, now.
If you can understand, how God, Who is Trinitarian, as God and as a Person, internally as a person, like even you are a child sometimes, and a worker sometimes, and a parent sometimes, then in Personhood, you understand much about God, but the next point is to understand God as God.
God as God is like a Person as a Computer Programmer, or any trade, like doctor or Carpenter.
When a person is the job, the job is the person, and very indistinguisable from the job. Mary can do that job. Tom can do that job. God as God is like that. God is the job, and the job He does is God.
Does that make any sense?
I know some more, but as I am.
I am also tired now. But, the next part, I may make few errors on, or more, so please ask for clarifications or even contraditions, because I have no contraditions in living this life, with God or with anything written in The Bible about God.
Their idea, that three Spirit Persons who exist, one of which came to earth and picked up a human body, and in doing what His Father wanted, but what He also wanted, and that is true also of the other person, The Holy Spirit, that idea is pretty much in the Bible, as many people have figured that out.
Other than in personalities, they are identical in power, and in all other ways, but even in personalities that may not be totally true.
I still have to interface with Jesus, separate from The Father, separate from The Holy Spirit. I actually cannot feel whole, or complete without being with them separately and together at other times.
I asked God The Father one day, why I still had to hang out with Jesus, in order to be what I need to be. He said to me, because He is Jesus.
That part, I do now. Yet, that part is also helping me understand the personhood, and The Personhood of all of them. Jesus is a separate person, and although the personality of The Father in Him, is All of The Father's personality in identicalness, He Jesus is still a separate person, and that is what I hang out with, and that is what all people who God asks, that is what all people hang out with, with a varitation, Jesus is specific in what He shares of Himself, on earth.
On earth, we get the Crucified.....(really really sweet and loving)....Jesus who died for our sins, and in hanging out with Him, Biblically, or even in those Catholic Ways, with The Eucharist, in both way, we become more like that sweet sweet part of Jesus, and then we take that to the world, by accident, by association, because friends and companions rub off on us. And in our friends rubbing off on us, we share them with others. It is the same with hanging out with Jesus and God, in reading The Bible.
To understand, Jesus and The Holy Spirit, before one is begotten and the other sent. Try the next part:
So, in the simplest form. Do this. You are you. You also are energy, and the manipulator of energy. You are much like you are now, but nothing exists apart from you.
All is blackness.
All is nothingness, apart from you.
Then one day, you want to do something. Using yourself as that is all there is you give birth to you as a son, and actually you give birth in a way, to another son, but not called that, rather that one is called The Sent one.
In all other ways, Jesus and The Holy Spirt are identical.
They are identical in one more way. Jesus is identical to His Father, in that, nothing that was in His Father, unlike human children, is not in His Son.
Human children get parts from others. There are two on earth that make a human. Jesus only had parts from His Father, as there is nothing else then, to mate with. There is nothing else to have Jesus come from, but His Father, who is also God.
Even in God, that is there in Jesus, as nothing is left out, when he Begat His own son, when He birthed His Own Son. But, that is identical to The Holy Spirt also. The last part is not normally known.
Looking back to 2007, the Fall of it, I had to know those differences and more.
In human terms, Jesus is identical to The Father in power and exactness, So is The Holy Spirit.
Does that make any sense to you?
An example of the absurdities that I'm talking about would be the Trinity. There are some Christians who claim to understand the Trinity, but their understanding usually is a heresy.
Here is a list of Christian heresies. Most of them pertain to Christology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_heresies
There is almost nothing anybody can say about the Trinity without being a heretic. The Nicene Creed is safe, because those words were approved by the church, but delving into the actual meaning of those words is very dangerous. Try to define those words, and you will find you stumbled into a heresy.
IMO, that means the Christology is absurd. Theologians view this absurdity as evidence that Christ confounds human reason.
I think you will find, each heresy had a reason to be a heresey. It was not the way it actually was.
LOVE,
