are the submarines in the book of mormon just a bit much to believe..

[Theway]

....and they are designed so not even a whale could sink them,...

LOL.... I can understand why every Critic here will intentionally misread what was written, but it's apparent that you never read the account in the first place and just make it up as you go along.

 

[Cassiopeia]

I keep trying to figure out how to respond to this thread and all I do is sit here and blink at the screen.

It's so absurd. I don't see why this is even an issue since Noah built the arc and then there's the story about Jonah being swallowed by a whale and Christ spoke in metaphors.

I'm with Ran77 on this one.

 

[joneysd]

I keep trying to figure out how to respond to this thread and all I do is sit here and blink at the screen.

It's so absurd. I don't see why this is even an issue since Noah built the arc and then there's the story about Jonah being swallowed by a whale and Christ spoke in metaphors.

I'm with Ran77 on this one.

the obvious thing you are missing is, the bom claims to be the most correct book , yet it describes submarines belonging to a race prior to even proper boat building, air tight submarines, if the bom is to be taken seriously should it not be investigated in an attempt to validate its claims ...

 

[joneysd]

I keep trying to figure out how to respond to this thread and all I do is sit here and blink at the screen.

It's so absurd. I don't see why this is even an issue since Noah built the arc and then there's the story about Jonah being swallowed by a whale and Christ spoke in metaphors.

I'm with Ran77 on this one.

did you ever comment on the do the lds worship Jesus thread, i don't think i saw you comment...

 

[Rajni]

I keep trying to figure out how to respond to this thread and all I do is sit here and blink at the screen.

It's so absurd. I don't see why this is even an issue since Noah built the arc and then there's the story about Jonah being swallowed by a whale and Christ spoke in metaphors.

Agreed.

Not to mention talking snakes, talking donkeys, humans
parting entire oceans so they can walk across them, staffs
turning into snakes, water coming out of rocks, water being
turned into wine (sweet! ), feeding 5,000 people on only
five loaves and two fish, walking on water (without having to
part it first).... and on and on.

Apparently, God is not allowed to be awesome in other belief-
systems.


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[Cassiopeia]

did you ever comment on the do the lds worship Jesus thread, i don't think i saw you comment...

I know I did some of it...but I lose track. I don't have time to sit on the boards and read the volumes of stuff you guys seem to have time for.

 

[Cassiopeia]

the obvious thing you are missing is, the bom claims to be the most correct book , yet it describes submarines belonging to a race prior to even proper boat building, air tight submarines, if the bom is to be taken seriously should it not be investigated in an attempt to validate its claims ...

It does not claim to have submarines in it. No one can take what you say seriously because you put the most ridiculous spin on everything you have to say. You're just trolling. It would be great to have a REAL discourse on subjects with you but you are bent on presenting the most irrational takes on the subject of the LDS faith.

By now I'm sure anyone reading my post can tell I try to listen and be open minded but when someone such as yourself is just being obtuse it's very hard to want to talk to you.

 

[Cassiopeia]

Agreed.

Not to mention talking snakes, talking donkeys, humans
parting entire oceans so they can walk across them, staffs
turning into snakes, water coming out of rocks, water being
turned into wine (sweet! ), feeding 5,000 people on only
five loaves and two fish, walking on water (without having to
part it first).... and on and on.

Apparently, God is not allowed to be awesome in other belief-
systems.


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AMEN!!! OH Hallelujah! Finally some rational thought!

 

[joneysd]

It does not claim to have submarines in it. No one can take what you say seriously because you put the most ridiculous spin on everything you have to say. You're just trolling. It would be great to have a REAL discourse on subjects with you but you are bent on presenting the most irrational takes on the subject of the LDS faith.

By now I'm sure anyone reading my post can tell I try to listen and be open minded but when someone such as yourself is just being obtuse it's very hard to want to talk to you.

air tight vessels that travel below the water, is that not a submarine, they talk about not being able to get air so they need holes in them....

 

[joneysd]

AMEN!!! OH Hallelujah! Finally some rational thought!

all created by a powerful and wonderful God, though all miraculous from the natural, then we have the bom, if a race were given plans to submarines why was it not continued, the advantage they offered would be amazing..what techniques and materials wood these wondrous air tight vessels be made off...

 

[MormonFriend]

air tight vessels that travel below the water, is that not a submarine, they talk about not being able to get air so they need holes in them....

I don't believe you have a concept of the basic technical applications here. The barges do not travel under water by design. But when the violent waves cause submersion, they can withstand and protect. They are 100% dependent on wind and water current for travel. When the upper hatch is open, the bottom hatch must be closed, else they sink. And vice versa, close the top to open the bottom hatch and perhaps do some fishing.

I'm sure they had to routinely do some bailing during calm weather. This was not written as a technical manual of the vessels, and you seem to insist in specifications of your own.

 

[joneysd]

I don't believe you have a concept of the basic technical applications here. The barges do not travel under water by design. But when the violent waves cause submersion, they can withstand and protect. They are 100% dependent on wind and water current for travel. When the upper hatch is open, the bottom hatch must be closed, else they sink. And vice versa, close the top to open the bottom hatch and perhaps do some fishing.

I'm sure they had to routinely do some bailing during calm weather. This was not written as a technical manual of the vessels, and you seem to insist in specifications of your own.

the concept is pretty poor, the boats were finished before any of the builders noticed that they had no way to see to steer and no way to get in to the boat or to get air in to the boat, and the holes for air would be a disaster and for each one to sail for a year with, water, feed and flocks, each one was like the ark, how big were they...

another tall story....

 

[bbbbbbb]

I don't believe you have a concept of the basic technical applications here. The barges do not travel under water by design. But when the violent waves cause submersion, they can withstand and protect. They are 100% dependent on wind and water current for travel. When the upper hatch is open, the bottom hatch must be closed, else they sink. And vice versa, close the top to open the bottom hatch and perhaps do some fishing.

I'm sure they had to routinely do some bailing during calm weather. This was not written as a technical manual of the vessels, and you seem to insist in specifications of your own.

All this is well and nice, but the text does not mention any of this. What it does say is that the holes are for air for the inhabitants of these air-tight vessels. The holes (not hatches in the modern sense) are to be opened to provide air for the people.

On to another issue which you raised. You state (and I think correctly) "They are 100% dependent on wind and water current for travel." Given the fact that there are no sails for these barges nor anything which would permit the wind to push them in any significant manner, they would depend on ocean currents for movement. There are no currents which could take said barges from Europe to America. Here is a map of the North Atlantic currents.

As you can see the primary current is the Gulf Stream and it goes east from the Carribean to the north Atlantic. The secondary currents are quite weak.

 

[Anto9us]

Knowing what I do now of the LDS faith --- i would never have voted for Romney. I would have written in the Garasene Demoniac.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Knowing what I do now of the LDS faith --- i would never have voted for Romney. I would have written in the Garasene Demoniac.

And my friends thought I was nuts not to vote for such a nice, conservative candidate.

 

[joneysd]

how did the wind even effect these barges, no sails, the shape, hardly surprising it took a year though a year in a boat full of people, stock, food, water, wordly possessions, with no toilet facilities for man nor beast, that turned upside down in the ocean must have seemed like a life time....

 

[bbbbbbb]

how did the wind even effect these barges, no sails, the shape, hardly surprising it took a year though a year in a boat full of people, stock, food, water, wordly possessions, with no toilet facilities for man nor beast, that turned upside down in the ocean must have seemed like a life time....

I imagine they used chamber pots - lots of chamber pots. Maybe that was the purpose of the hole in the bottom of the barge.

 

[joneysd]

I imagine they used chamber pots - lots of chamber pots. Maybe that was the purpose of the hole in the bottom of the barge.

now that's taking the pee..

 

[Cassiopeia]

air tight vessels that travel below the water, is that not a submarine, they talk about not being able to get air so they need holes in them....

No it's not a submarine and I really doubt it was completely air tight. It was an enclosed boat that was tight enough to survive a temporary plunge beneath the stormy seas. At least that's how I've imagined it.

 

[MormonFriend]

I imagine they used chamber pots - lots of chamber pots. Maybe that was the purpose of the hole in the bottom of the barge.

When you gotta go, you gotta go!