Are the feast days fulfilled?

[peterlindner]

There were enough patterns already fullfilled in Jesus's day that he could see/hear the times. Now with His pattern again, we have even more of a "verily, verily" pattern. God has placed many ambiguities into the Word which require deeper digging to confirm the patterns. Shavuot is such. Do you count from Resurrection? Or Count from 14th? 7 sabbaths...is that 49 days or do you wait for a Saturday and then start counting? Do you count the first Saturday? After that do you add one day or do you add 50 days? People will viciously defend their position on this and trust in the tradition of the Rabbis for the answer. How often is a Jew allowed to go back to ambiguities and trust God for their own interpretation? Now in Mathew 25:14 I know the kingdom of God is as a man on a journey. I know that those that were on a journey (or unclean) started their feast a month late. I know the first feast was to start in the spring and the 2nd feast was a count from the first. I know that ALL people are conceived on the 14th/15th of their first month. Late beginning equals a late ending. God has shown me the patterns; but only He can convince.

Now to Shemini Atzereth. The Feast of Ingathering is the Feast. It is at year's end. It is assumed that this is Tishri15 and it may have been for the clean Jesus. However Tishri is into the next year. November 1st used to be a new year. The landmarks have changed. Just like Shavuot/Pentecost is it one more day or one more week. In Solomon's 14 feast they went home on the 23rd. Perhaps because this was a pattern for a future day of fulfillment (today). I believe the Rabbis got it wrong. The sheni Rosh Hashanah was pointing to a pattern of a 2nd day one month later. Sheni Passover is one month later. Born again, born sheni is the 2nd/8th month.

When God is doing something significant, the feast is a double portion. Elisha, Hezekiah, Solomon come to mind. However, over and over again, the Jews couldn't see or hear what God was doing. That are anchored into tradition. They rock back and forth infront of a dead wall praying for what they know not. I've not seen the great Jewish joy; unless it relates to revenge. Then their love for the law truly shows.

David ruled 40 years; 7.5+33=40.5 something odd here
Noah was 601 and lived another 350 years=He was 950 years old. where did the .5 go?
The flood was 40 days plus plus 150 receding water=190
If you count the days between events you will come up with two stretches of time 57 & 74.
What year is it? 5,774. 5,700 represents 300x19 metonic cycles. or 10x 190 periods.Passover to last day of great feast. 74 is 70 of captivity plus journey time(3.5 years); or 8th day circumcision plus 66 days of unclean.

Happy Anniversary of the Day God told Noah to come out of the ARK.
Happy Anniversary of the great feast day.
Happy 2400 days from Nisan 18 Resurrection Day
Happy 2300 from Shavuot the day the temple defiled with cloven tongues
Happy 1800 from this same day (cheshvan 28)

 

[ebedmelech]

But what took place on rosh Hanna and yom kipper that was fulfilled by Jesus?

Rosh Hashana is the feast of turmpets so Jesus fulfilled that through his resurrection! Since Christ was raised we too shall be raised...and He will judge the world.

Yom Kippur is the Day of attonement...have you never read Hebrews 9:11, 12:
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

What does it matter Hannibal...that passage in Colossians says the SUBSTANCE BELONGS TO CHRIST!!!

THE LORD JESUS is the "REAL STUFF" the feasts, sabbath days and holy days pointed to...Colossians 2:16-19
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

Are you hearing that???

That substance is of he who overcomes Ebed.


God promises to come and Tabernacle among men.

So God sent his servant into Egypt and brought out his people into the wilderness, up to the mountain.

God came and Tabernacled with Israel, and Israel enjoyed it's most Holy of Times, God was with them.

He Tabernacled with them for 40 years where they built and lived in booths waiting for the day that Tabernacles points to.

The booths are the feast of our Joy, the great day of booths, the festival of lights, the feast of nations, the last great ingathering of God.

Jesus was born in a booth on the first day of booths and they camped outside in booths during this greatest season of Joy. They built booths in a way to see the star which would come out of Bethlehem.

But the promise is not that God would Tabernacle in the wilderness with his people, and the promise is not that Jesus was born on Tabernacles and then Tabernacled with humans.


These things are only a shadow to the true fulfillment of our true Tabernacle where we will be incorruptible.

We will truly tabernacle with God when we will have the true tabernacle, an incorruptible being that is immortal.

This is the promise we wait on.

When we will truly live and become one with God, being immortal.

We will put on the robes of immortality and this is the promise.

 

[ebedmelech]

That substance is of he who overcomes Ebed.


God promises to come and Tabernacle among men.

So God sent his servant into Egypt and brought out his people into the wilderness, up to the mountain.

God came and Tabernacled with Israel, and Israel enjoyed it's most Holy of Times, God was with them.

He Tabernacled with them for 40 years where they built and lived in booths waiting for the day that Tabernacles points to.

The booths are the feast of our Joy, the great day of booths, the festival of lights, the feast of nations, the last great ingathering of God.

Jesus was born in a booth on the first day of booths and they camped outside in booths during this greatest season of Joy. They built booths in a way to see the star which would come out of Bethlehem.

But the promise is not that God would Tabernacle in the wilderness with his people, and the promise is not that Jesus was born on Tabernacles and then Tabernacled with humans.


These things are only a shadow to the true fulfillment of our true Tabernacle where we will be incorruptible.

We will truly tabernacle with God when we will have the true tabernacle, an incorruptible being that is immortal.

This is the promise we wait on.

When we will truly live and become one with God, being immortal.

We will put on the robes of immortality and this is the promise.

Hannibal...I'm not going to do this with you. The passage says AS PLAIN AS DAY the substance belongs to Christ...now why would you even bother to try and say otherwise...

Read it again:
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Hannibal...I'm not going to do this with you. The passage says AS PLAIN AS DAY the substance belongs to Christ...now why would you even bother to try and say otherwise...

Read it again:
16 Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day—
17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.

The promise is of Christ which are promises given to him by his father, and as Jesus has received of his father, so shall the overcomers receive from our father.

26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


The overcomers receive the promises that were given to Jesus, that they will also rule the nations with an iron fist, and that God will also say to them,'' This is my son ''


The substance is of Christ, and the substance is his fulfillment in us, they are promises to us.

Promises that make us one being with Christ.


Jesus was the first born into a kingdom that many shall follow into.


Nisan 17 was the day that Jesus was the first born son into the kingdom, but the same promise is given to all those who follow in the footsteps of Jesus, and they too will be born into the kingdom, and be FIRSTFRUITS.

Because the substance of Firstfruits is that Jesus was the first, but not the only.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness , THE FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD.

The Order of Resurrection
…22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,


We see this birth in Revelation take place, but not many people obtain the promise of this birth.



First fruits teach us that Jesus Christ, the faithful witness became the first born of all those who are to be born.

The overcomers of the world will obtain the reward of being first fruits just as it was given to Jesus, he gives it to us.

These overcomers are given all the promises given to Jesus by his father, he gives us the same.

So there remains still a time that an overcomer will rule the nations with an iron fist just as it was promised to Jesus, it is promised to the very few overcomers that will be taken from history.

Jesus is the substance of firstfruits, but the substance only points to the overcomers following in the same footsteps, receiving from Jesus, the SAME THINGS that Jesus received from his father.

Should we say that Jesus fulfilled all the feasts and then not know or look to the promise of what the feasts foreshadow?

 

[ebedmelech]

The promise is of Christ which are promises given to him by his father, and as Jesus has received of his father, so shall the overcomers receive from our father.

The substance IS Christ Hannibal...meaning Christ is what the feasts were pointing to...and are!!!

26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. 28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

That doesn't says Christ didn't fulfill the feasts...what's your point?

The overcomers receive the promises that were given to Jesus, that they will also rule the nations with an iron fist, and that God will also say to them,'' This is my son ''

Mixing apples and oranges but anyone who overcomes...overcomes by the blood of the Lamb...again, that's Jesus!

The substance is of Christ, and the substance is his fulfillment in us, they are promises to us.

Promises that make us one being with Christ.


Jesus was the first born into a kingdom that many shall follow into.


Nisan 17 was the day that Jesus was the first born son into the kingdom, but the same promise is given to all those who follow in the footsteps of Jesus, and they too will be born into the kingdom, and be FIRSTFRUITS.

Because the substance of Firstfruits is that Jesus was the first, but not the only.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness , THE FIRST BORN FROM THE DEAD.

The Order of Resurrection
…22For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,


We see this birth in Revelation take place, but not many people obtain the promise of this birth.



First fruits teach us that Jesus Christ, the faithful witness became the first born of all those who are to be born.

The overcomers of the world will obtain the reward of being first fruits just as it was given to Jesus, he gives it to us.

These overcomers are given all the promises given to Jesus by his father, he gives us the same.

So there remains still a time that an overcomer will rule the nations with an iron fist just as it was promised to Jesus, it is promised to the very few overcomers that will be taken from history.

Jesus is the substance of firstfruits, but the substance only points to the overcomers following in the same footsteps, receiving from Jesus, the SAME THINGS that Jesus received from his father.

Should we say that Jesus fulfilled all the feasts and then not know or look to the promise of what the feasts foreshadow?

That's has nothing to do with the fact Christ fulfilled the Law for us...the feast days were ALL PART OF the Law...if Christ doesn't fulfill EVERY FEAST given under the Law, He could not die for our sins because He left something undone...HE DIDN'T though...he fulfilled ALL OF THE LAW...including the feasts.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

The substance IS Christ Hannibal...meaning Christ is what the feasts were pointing to...and are!!!

That doesn't says Christ didn't fulfill the feasts...what's your point?


Mixing apples and oranges but anyone who overcomes...overcomes by the blood of the Lamb...again, that's Jesus!


That's has nothing to do with the fact Christ fulfilled the Law for us...the feast days were ALL PART OF the Law...if Christ doesn't fulfill EVERY FEAST given under the Law, He could not die for our sins because He left something undone...HE DIDN'T though...he fulfilled ALL OF THE LAW...including the feasts.

It's a very simple thing for you to make such a statement, but please, prove what you say Ebed.


You say that Jesus fulfilled Shemini Atzereth?


Let's say that I am a Jew who doesn't believe in Jesus.


Tell me how your Jesus fulfilled Shemini Atzereth?


I can tell you, but can you tell me?


You make the statement that Jesus has fulfilled ALL the feasts, and I am with you, I know how, but do you?

If Passover pointed to Jesus dying as our Passover, and Barabas show us Jesus also being that Yom Kippor sacrifice, and then I show you how exactly it was, that Jesus was the Bull of Sukkot, can you finish the rest of the sacrifices and prove what you say?

If it is true that Jesus was all the sacrifices{it is} then we should be able to point that truth out to the unbeliever and especially to the Jew who knows what he worships.

Barabas being set free certainly shows the Yom Kippor goat, this is true.

Then what shows Jesus fulfilling Shemini Atzereth?

Let's be generous and say,'' What happened that was showing Jesus as the Sukkot Bull being Killed on Nisan 14?''

That's easier, but you show me Ebed, show me the Sukkot Bull being killed for the 70 nations of Gentiles on Nisan 14.

It's there, but do you see it?

And what shows Jesus fulfilling the Holy day of Shemini Atzereth?



Ebed, my point is, that you make a statement about Jesus fulfilling all the feasts and sacrifices.

But can you prove what you say?

It's easy to just say in general,'' Jesus was all the sacrifices,'' but wouldn't you really want the information to back up what you say?

So what in the new testament shows Jesus being killed as the Sukkot bull on Nisan 14?

He was certainly killed as the bull, but can you show how and where?


Can you stand toe to toe with a knowledgeable Jew who knows what he worships and show Jesus dying on Nisan 14 as a Sukkot Bull for the nations?

You could tell the Jew to just trust you, but I think you can do better.

 

[Choose Wisely]

Of course.


But who would I prove it to?

I say that Jesus has 7 days appointed to him.

I say that Jesus had to die on Passover.

He could have died on no other day because the entire day teaches of him. All the rituals and traditions and everything about Passover teaches about a Messiah coming to die on a particular day.

Please continue with the other 6 days appointed to Jesus and tell me what those days were appointed for Jesus to do.

Nisan 17, Jesus was appointed to be born, and so his birthday is also appointed for this day, the day he was resurrected. Everything about this day, again, teaches about what Jesus came to do on this exact day.


What does Jesus come to do on Shemini Atzereth?


I'm sure everyone will agree about Passover, Unleavened bread, firstfruits, Pentecost. All these days pointed to something Jesus comes to do, and all it's traditions and rituals point to what he must fulfill on these particular days.

What does Jesus come to do on Sukkot?

Go.


7 feast days that point to missions of Jesus.


Let's look at Shemini Atzereth.


You tell me the rituals and things that happen on this day, and tell us the promise of Shemini Atzereth.

Tell us how Jesus has fulfilled it, tell us exactly what it pointed to and it's fulfillment.

Go ahead.


Do you know all the names of the 7 days and what is prayed, what it's traditions teach?


I can show you Jesus being the Sukkot Bull on Nisan 17, can you?


People say that Jesus fulfilled all the sacrifices but can you actually prove this to me?

I can show you Jesus fulfilling Yom Kippor on Nisan 14, can you?

I can show Jesus fulfilling Pentecost on Nisan 14, can you?



If we say that all the 7 days have been fulfilled, then we must be able to prove what we say.

The proof is there, but who will I tell the truth to?


If you don't know what happens on these days, and you don't know what the promises are on these days, how will you understand?

What does Atzereth Shemini point to?

What are it's promises they we are waiting for?

Are you not waiting for it's promise?

Who am I speaking to?



If you have never been up to the season of our Joy and seen what happens on it['s most wonderful day, prayed it's prayers, and hoped in it's promises, then how do wait upon it's promise?


And how in the world would I explain anything to a person who is not even able to name the 7 feast days of Christ, mush less recite it's prayers and functions to understand it's promises?


Now I would certainly prove that Jesus was born on the 5th of Tishri, but who would I prove it to?


Bring a Jew with you, and he will at least know what I speak of.

But how will I speak of things that the hearer knows nothing of?


How will you attend a party if you don't even know that there is a party and a gift?

How will you attend Shemini Atzereth if you don't even know Sukkot?


You will certainly not obtain the promise of Shemin Atzereth if you don't know anything about it, and if you know nothing of Sukkot?


Who will I teach about the birth of Jesus?

But yes, I can prove the missions of my Lord.


Who will hear?


Those that have never heard of the days?


They will not hear.

It's ok to be confused. When the Pentecost harvest occurs you will understand.

 

[dfw69]

Rosh Hashana is the feast of turmpets so Jesus fulfilled that through his resurrection! Since Christ was raised we too shall be raised...and He will judge the world.

Yom Kippur is the Day of attonement...have you never read Hebrews 9:11, 12:
11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
12 and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

I see what you mean...but I was referring to a fulfilled event on those particular days

 

[ebedmelech]

It's a very simple thing for you to make such a statement, but please, prove what you say Ebed.


You say that Jesus fulfilled Shemini Atzereth?


Let's say that I am a Jew who doesn't believe in Jesus.


Tell me how your Jesus fulfilled Shemini Atzereth?


I can tell you, but can you tell me?


You make the statement that Jesus has fulfilled ALL the feasts, and I am with you, I know how, but do you?

If Passover pointed to Jesus dying as our Passover, and Barabas show us Jesus also being that Yom Kippor sacrifice, and then I show you how exactly it was, that Jesus was the Bull of Sukkot, can you finish the rest of the sacrifices and prove what you say?

If it is true that Jesus was all the sacrifices{it is} then we should be able to point that truth out to the unbeliever and especially to the Jew who knows what he worships.

Barabas being set free certainly shows the Yom Kippor goat, this is true.

Then what shows Jesus fulfilling Shemini Atzereth?

Let's be generous and say,'' What happened that was showing Jesus as the Sukkot Bull being Killed on Nisan 14?''

That's easier, but you show me Ebed, show me the Sukkot Bull being killed for the 70 nations of Gentiles on Nisan 14.

It's there, but do you see it?

And what shows Jesus fulfilling the Holy day of Shemini Atzereth?



Ebed, my point is, that you make a statement about Jesus fulfilling all the feasts and sacrifices.

But can you prove what you say?

It's easy to just say in general,'' Jesus was all the sacrifices,'' but wouldn't you really want the information to back up what you say?

So what in the new testament shows Jesus being killed as the Sukkot bull on Nisan 14?

He was certainly killed as the bull, but can you show how and where?


Can you stand toe to toe with a knowledgeable Jew who knows what he worships and show Jesus dying on Nisan 14 as a Sukkot Bull for the nations?

You could tell the Jew to just trust you, but I think you can do better.

It would be Leviticus 23:33-36:
33 Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying,
34 “Speak to the sons of Israel, saying, ‘On the fifteenth of this seventh month is the Feast of Booths for seven days to the Lord.
35 On the first day is a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work of any kind.
36 For seven days you shall present an offering by fire to the Lord. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation and present an offering by fire to the Lord; it is an assembly. You shall do no laborious work.
The feast of Booths is fulfilled these ways:
*Christ coming as God to dwell among the Jews...John 1:14:
14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
When Jesus attended the Feast of Tabernacles John tells us on the last day of the feast Jesus said this:
John 7:38, 39
37 Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink.
38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’”
This is another way the Feast of Tabernacles is fulfilled as Jesus dwells in us by the Holy Spirit.

Now Hannibal, if you're going to try to make Jewish Law stand here with me...it won't work because Jesus Himself tells the Pharisees that the TRADITIONS they added to the Law is how they neglected the Law. Let's listen to Him in Matthew 15:1-
Then some Pharisees and scribes *came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said,
2 “Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”
3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’
5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,”
6 he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
7 You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:
8 ‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.
9 ‘But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’”

Another example is Matthew 23...read that.

Why are the priests, Scribes and Pharisees always at odds with Jesus? Because the had it wrong...just as you do now.

You may be offended, but don't ask me to look at Jewish Law as they teach it...because they had added to it wrongly...and Jesus told them so. I'll stand on how the scripture says these feasts were to be held, because the Jews corrupted them with tradition.

Jesus was the fulfillment of EVERY SACRIFICE in the feasts Hannibal...Read Hebrews 9.

When God describes each feast to the Jews in the Law I can show you Christ in each one.

I gave links of good teachings of how Christ fulfilled all feasts in post #18...so read those.

 

[peterlindner]

You do well to look at the feasts and the patterns. At some point your journey will bring you to Isaiah...

1:11To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

12When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

13Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

14Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

15And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

16Wash you, make you clean...; Feasts dates shift a month later

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Now Hannibal, if you're going to try to make Jewish Law stand here with me...it won't work because Jesus Himself tells the Pharisees that the TRADITIONS they added to the Law is how they neglected the Law. Let's listen to Him in Matthew 15:1-

What is Jewish Law?


The law of God.

His ways.

 

[ebedmelech]

What is Jewish Law?


The law of God.

His ways.

No...God gave them His Law and they didn't keep it...and the added their own laws to it.

Listen to Jesus a few times verifying the fact:

Matthew 12:1-7
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath.”
3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions,
4 how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?
5 Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
6 But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.
7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire compassion, and not a sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

Matthew 23:33
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

Do you need more? This is not a knock on the Jews...it's just what the scripture says Hannibal...and you seem to want to ignore these things.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

No...God gave them His Law and they didn't keep it...and the added their own laws to it.

Listen to Jesus a few times verifying the fact:

Matthew 12:1-7
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath, and His disciples became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and eat.
2 But when the Pharisees saw this, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath.”
3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he became hungry, he and his companions,
4 how he entered the house of God, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat nor for those with him, but for the priests alone?
5 Or have you not read in the Law, that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath and are innocent?
6 But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here.
7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire compassion, and not a sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

Matthew 23:33
23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.

Do you need more? This is not a knock on the Jews...it's just what the scripture says Hannibal...and you seem to want to ignore these things.

Who is in charge now?

Who sits in the seat of authority now?

 

[ebedmelech]

Who is in charge now?

Who sits in the seat of authority now?

YOU BEST BELIEVE IT IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

Colossians 1:13-20
13 For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
19 For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Hey Ebed, Do you ever consider that the roles have been reversed?


When Jesus came, he came against the people who were running the Temple, and now Jesus has left his people in charge of their own churches.


The way I see things, is that Christianity became exactly what the Pharisees were.

I have held to this belief for some time, that Christianity is in charge now, and the way they act is the exact same way the Pharisees acted.

It's so Poetic, so Ironic.

 

[coraline]

Hey Ebed, Do you ever consider that the roles have been reversed?


When Jesus came, he came against the people who were running the Temple, and now Jesus has left his people in charge of their own churches.


The way I see things, is that Christianity became exactly what the Pharisees were.

I have held to this belief for some time, that Christianity is in charge now, and the way they act is the exact same way the Pharisees acted.

It's so Poetic, so Ironic.

I only see that with Christian dispensationalism.

They want a fleshly, physical kingdom on earth just like the Pharisees!

 

[ebedmelech]

Hey Ebed, Do you ever consider that the roles have been reversed?


When Jesus came, he came against the people who were running the Temple, and now Jesus has left his people in charge of their own churches.


The way I see things, is that Christianity became exactly what the Pharisees were.

I have held to this belief for some time, that Christianity is in charge now, and the way they act is the exact same way the Pharisees acted.

It's so Poetic, so Ironic.

Not really...you're demonstrating great ignorance! I mean that in the point of you not knowing, or simply neglecting scripture Hannibal!!!

Please listen to John 1:11-13
11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Now...HIS OWN, where the Jews, and they rejected Him Hannibal!!! You cannot just accept what you want from scripture...you have to accept it all!!!

Jesus said this clearly in Matthew 15:24:
24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

You have to be consistent Hannibal. Jesus knew what He came to do...that was to be MESSIAH, and the Jew rejected Him consistently. You can't deny that!

 

[HannibalFlavius]

Not really...you're demonstrating great ignorance! I mean that in the point of you not knowing or simply neglecting scripture Hannibal!!!

Please listen to John 1:11-13
11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,
13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Now...HIS OWN, where the Jews, and they rejected Him Hannibal!!! You cannot just accept what you want from scripture...you have to accept it all!!!

Jesus said this clearly in Matthew 15:24:
24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

You have to be consistent Hannibal. Jesus knew what He came to do...that was to be MESSIAH, and the Jew rejected Him consistently. You can't deny that!

Ebed, yesterday you said that those evil Pharisees added their own traditions to the feast days and this was why they fell.


But Christianity didn't just invent their own feast days, they abolished the Holy days of God altogether.


I had to grin at what you said because if the Pharisees were so wrong in just adding some of their own traditions to the Holy days of God, how much more heinous is it when you kill off all the people who were keeping the Holy days of God and then abolish the Holy days altogether?

If you can see a great evil in adding to the traditions of God, how much more evil is it when you invent your own traditions to completely do away with everything that is called of God, and to speak about the law of God as if it were an evil thing that nobody should study?


Now Christianity has abolished the law of God, and set up their own law, their own feast days, and then they call keeping Holy days of God, sin.


Ironic.

 

[HannibalFlavius]

My man Ebed!

What would you do without your Ebed?

Know this, when you get old and weary and think back on these days, you will have wished that you fought for your ebed!


Ebed, I'm so thankful for you that I couldn't live without you.

I get it now, you have given me a very new, great perspective at looking at the woman in Revelation 12 for future debates with Christians.

I might not even argue with you today cause I appreciate you so much.

If the woman in Revelation is Israel, then what is that to Ebed?


hahah

Thanks.