Are Seventh Day Adventists open to OSAS because i saw that in a thread i found on bing?

[mmksparbud]

I guess no one from the SDA organization actually teaches how the Church is to keep the Sabbath according to Jesus and His Apostles.


You mean to tell me you can’t quote one single scripture from the New Testament, about keeping the Sabbath?


That’s a little odd, that an organization that goes by the name of Seventh Day Adventist, doesn’t actually have any instructions from Jesus Christ about how to specifically observe the Sabbath.


Can you at least answer one question?



Is keeping the Sabbath necessary for salvation?



JLB

Do you have to be told how not to commit adultery? How not to steal? How not to covet? The
commandments are there for all to read. What do you think the very 1st Christians read as their scriptures? What were the very 1st Christians converted by? What did Jesus read as His scriptures and what did He quote all the time? What was the Ethiopian eunuch converted by reading?

No explanation of the Sabbath was needed for nobody was questioning it. They fought over circumcision, they fought over food offered to idols, they fought over who was unclean and the Holy Spirit falling on gentiles before baptism settled the question. No fight over the Sabbath---none needed.
They could all read the commandments---no one fought over ANY of the commandments. No one said we can now lie, cheat, steal, covet, commit adultery and steal, be unrepentant and still be saved. Jesus did not minimize the commandments, He enlarged upon them.
The law states thou shalt not commit adultery---the spirit of the law states--even looking at a woman with lust is adultery.

What part of "remember" and "thou shalt not" do you not understand?


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

What part of work for 6 days and do not work on the sabbath do you not understand? What part of all who are under your roof are also not to work is vague? What part of not even your animals are not to work do you not understand?
Is not stealing necessary to salvation? Is not committing adultery necessary to salvation? Is not committing murder necessary to salvation? Can keeping any of the 10 commandments save you? NO!
Can you keep all the commandments and still be lost?---YES! GOD JUDGES THE HEART--
we do not keep; the commandments in order to be saved---we keep them because we are saved.
Are you seriously expecting me to believe you do not understand any of this?
It has already been posted as to when Sabbath starts and ends, it has already been posted what we do to keep the sabbath and yet you keep asking the same questions---READ! No one can read it FOR you! Maybe you can have someone read it TO you.

 

[JLB777]

Do you have to be told how not to commit adultery? How not to steal? How not to covet? The
commandments are there for all to read. What do you think the very 1st Christians read as their scriptures? What were the very 1st Christians converted by? What did Jesus read as His scriptures and what did He quote all the time? What was the Ethiopian eunuch converted by reading?

No explanation of the Sabbath was needed for nobody was questioning it. They fought over circumcision, they fought over food offered to idols, they fought over who was unclean and the Holy Spirit falling on gentiles before baptism settled the question. No fight over the Sabbath---none needed.
They could all read the commandments---no one fought over ANY of the commandments. No one said we can now lie, cheat, steal, covet, commit adultery and steal, be unrepentant and still be saved. Jesus did not minimize the commandments, He enlarged upon them.
The law states thou shalt not commit adultery---the spirit of the law states--even looking at a woman with lust is adultery.

What part of "remember" and "thou shalt not" do you not understand?


Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

What part of work for 6 days and do not work on the sabbath do you not understand? What part of all who are under your roof are also not to work is vague? What part of not even your animals are not to work do you not understand?
Is not stealing necessary to salvation? Is not committing adultery necessary to salvation? Is not committing murder necessary to salvation? Can keeping any of the 10 commandments save you? NO!
Can you keep all the commandments and still be lost?---YES! GOD JUDGES THE HEART--
we do not keep; the commandments in order to be saved---we keep them because we are saved.
Are you seriously expecting me to believe you do not understand any of this?
It has already been posted as to when Sabbath starts and ends, it has already been posted what we do to keep the sabbath and yet you keep asking the same questions---READ! No one can read it FOR you! Maybe you can have someone read it TO you.

By quoting the law of Moses and saying “what part of work for 6 days and do not work on the sabbath do you not understand”, I take it you believe the Church is required to keep the Sabbath as the law of Moses instructed?


You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15


Does the SDA organization teach and practice this Sabbath law as dictated by the the law of Moses?



How far are we allowed to travel to get to Church on the Sabbath?

Can we cook on the Sabbath?


If people cook for us on the Sabbath is that a sin?



Since Paul said that the Sabbath was just a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ, why is it so important to go to Church on Saturday rather than Sunday?


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17


again


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5



Doesn’t sound like Paul thought the Sabbath keeping was all that important, but rather faith expressing itself through love.




JLB

 

[mmksparbud]

By quoting the law of Moses and saying “what part of work for 6 days and do not work on the sabbath do you not understand”, I take it you believe the Church is required to keep the Sabbath as the law of Moses instructed?


You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15


Does the SDA organization teach and practice this Sabbath law as dictated by the the law of Moses?



How far are we allowed to travel to get to Church on the Sabbath?

Can we cook on the Sabbath?


If people cook for us on the Sabbath is that a sin?



Since Paul said that the Sabbath was just a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ, why is it so important to go to Church on Saturday rather than Sunday?


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17


again


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5



Doesn’t sound like Paul thought the Sabbath keeping was all that important, but rather faith expressing itself through love.




JLB

You did not answer a single one of my questions. And you are still asking the same questions that have been answered several times. Right now---you are talking to yourself., and you look pretty silly doing it.

 

[JLB777]

You did not answer a single one of my questions. And you are still asking the same questions that have been answered several times. Right now---you are talking to yourself., and you look pretty silly doing it.

Sorry bro, quoting scriptures the law of Moses, and applying them to the Church is certainly not answering my question that asks:


How far can we travel on the Sabbath before it’s a sin?

Can we cook on the Sabbath?

If someone cooks for us at a restaurant, is it a sin?


If we go to Church on Sunday, rather that Saturday is it a sin?


Why was is ok for Jesus and His disciples to travel and gather food on the Sabbath?


Why did Paul say that the Sabbath was a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ.


Can you tell me how you observe the Sabbath, so I can understand from your lifestyle how I should go about keeping the Sabbath?



JLB

 

[mmksparbud]

Sorry bro, quoting scriptures the law of Moses, and applying them to the Church is certainly not answering my question that asks:


How far can we travel on the Sabbath before it’s a sin?

Can we cook on the Sabbath?

If someone cooks for us at a restaurant, is it a sin?


If we go to Church on Sunday, rather that Saturday is it a sin?


Why was is ok for Jesus and His disciples to travel and gather food on the Sabbath?


Why did Paul say that the Sabbath was a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ.


Can you tell me how you observe the Sabbath, so I can understand from your lifestyle how I should go about keeping the Sabbath?



JLB

You obviously do not read for this will be the 3rd time that I point out to you that I am female!!!

And since you do not yet know how to read---and have not answered a single question asked of you---I will answer none of yours-----they have been answered already several times. I hate repeating myself this many times. Come back when you are courteous enough to read what has been posted and can answer what has been asked of you. Goodbye---sis.

 

[Dave-W]

Please quote a scripture from the New Testament that instructs the Church how to observe the 4 Commandment under the New Covenant.

I know how the law of Moses instructs the children of Israel to do so, in the land of Israel under Moses.

What do you know about the progression and replacement of covenants?

If you do NOT know, I suggest you read this book. It explains it in great detail.

Torah Rediscovered by Ariel Berkowitz

 

[BobRyan]

Are Seventh Day Adventists open to OSAS because i saw that in a thread i found on bing?

I'm not here to argue for or against OSAS. I plan on going to my local Seventh Day Adventist church 2 weeks from now because i'm going to a United Methodist church for my wife this week. I don't have a strong opinion at this point whether the Sabbath should be on Saturday or Sunday. I would name the person who did the post but i'm not sure i should. I would like to thank that person for that post. I very much believe respecting the the Sabbath is important for a strong US economy considering many people work 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. Once again thanks to SDA poster X for that post i found on bing!

I saw a youtube on what I found out later was Seventh Day Adventist that was very convincing considering its union between the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation.

No OSAS in SDA doctrine or in the Bible.

Matthew 18 "forgiveness revoked"
Ezek 18 "forgiveness revoked"
Romans 11 "you stand only by your faith ... you should fear for if He did not spare them He may not spare you either"
"goodness of God toward you IF you continue..otherwise you too will be cut off"

 

[BobRyan]

How can one speak about a false prophet respectfully?

OSAS is about a false prophet?? seriously??

 

[BobRyan]

Have you ever looked up the myriad false prophecies of EGW?

Try the actual topic of the thread for a minute

 

[BobRyan]

Just read what the Pre-Reformation Eastern churches teach, such as Timothy Ware's THE ORTHODOX CHURCH, and compare it with SDA.

Did that... hence my affiliation with the SDA denomination. Thanks for the suggestion though

BTW - why not respond to the actual topic of this thread? Does your church believe in OSAS?

 

[BobRyan]

By quoting the law of Moses and saying “what part of work for 6 days and do not work on the sabbath do you not understand”, I take it you believe the Church is required to keep the Sabbath as the law of Moses instructed?

There is an interesting thread on "Sabbath and the LAW" forum where those who oppose the Bible Sabbath have a place to make their case.

I have a few new thread's there -

Here -- 7th day Sabbath of the Bible vs Atheist Evolutionism: polar opposites
and here -- The Sabbath of the TEN Commandments - for all mankind (V2)

You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:14-15

Does the SDA organization teach and practice this Sabbath law as dictated by the the law of Moses?

And the law to "not take God's name in vain" as dictated by the LAW of Moses Ex 20:7
And the law to "love your neighbor as yourself" as dictated by the LAW of Moses Lev 19:18
And the law to 'Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 as dictated by the LAW of Moses ?

Since Paul said that the Sabbath was just a shadow of things to come, but the substance is Christ, why is it so important to go to Church on Saturday rather than Sunday?


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17
JLB

Col 2 is not condemning scripture as you seem to imagine it is doing - it condemns the traditions of man -- see my thread on Col 2 in the Sabbath and the LAW forum

Col 2 is not opposing the Bible - it is opposing making stuff up via traditions of man

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry bro, quoting scriptures the law of Moses, and applying them to the Church is certainly not answering my question that asks:

And just what scriptures do you think Paul was quoting when he taught NT saints?

Heb 8 New Covenant - a quote of Jer 31:31-33 New Covenant.

If we go to Church on Sunday, rather that Saturday is it a sin?

God's Word says "the 7th day is the Sabbath" Ex 20:10

Is your question "what if we ignore that and keep the first day of the week instead?"

Is that your question??

 

[Dave-W]

Try the actual topic of the thread for a minute

I hope you reported that post.
I would but this is not my forum.

 

[JLB777]

And just what scriptures do you think Paul was quoting when he taught NT saints?

Heb 8 New Covenant - a quote of Jer 31:31-33 New Covenant.



God's Word says "the 7th day is the Sabbath" Ex 20:10

Is your question "what if we ignore that and keep the first day of the week instead?"

Is that your question??

I plainly asked you a simple question.



If we go to Church on Sunday rather than Saturday, is it a sin?



JLB

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry bro, quoting scriptures the law of Moses, and applying them to the Church is certainly not answering my question that asks:

And just what scriptures do you think Paul was quoting when he taught NT saints?

Heb 8 New Covenant - a quote of Jer 31:31-33 New Covenant.

If we go to Church on Sunday, rather that Saturday is it a sin?

God's Word says "the 7th day is the Sabbath" Ex 20:10

Is your question "what if we ignore that and keep the first day of the week instead?"

Is that your question??

I plainly asked you a simple question.

Thanks - I plainly asked you for clarification

 

[BobRyan]

I hope you reported that post.
I would but this is not my forum.

good point.

What I am in favor of - is treating everyone who contributes to this forum area with all the priv of a fellow SDA who happens to differ on this or that. But when someone starts to go so far out of bounds that even a fellow SDA should be called out (for example if someone decides to derail whatever thread topic they post on - with an entirely different topic of their own) a case where we would call out one of our own members for doing such a thing... well that is crossing a line in my POV.

 

[JLB777]

And just what scriptures do you think Paul was quoting when he taught NT saints?

Heb 8 New Covenant - a quote of Jer 31:31-33 New Covenant.



God's Word says "the 7th day is the Sabbath" Ex 20:10

Is your question "what if we ignore that and keep the first day of the week instead?"

Is that your question??



Thanks - I plainly asked you for clarification

Does the Bible teach it’s a sin to attend Church on Sunday rather than Saturday?




JLB

 

[BobRyan]

Does the Bible teach it’s a sin to attend Church on Sunday rather than Saturday?
JLB

The Bible does not say anything about it being a sin to be in church on Tuesday, or Monday or Sunday.

But that is not your question is it??

What you want to know is whether scripture is correct in 1 John 3:4 to say what sin IS.

What you want to know is whether all TEN of God's Ten Commandments are God's Commandments -- is that right?

Now lets focus for a few minutes on the actual topic of this thread, if that would not be too inconvenient. In fact... I insist that staying on topic would be the right thing to do.

Are you about to state "your" POV on OSAS? (since that is the topic of this thread)

 

[JLB777]

The Bible does not say anything about it being a sin to be in church on Tuesday, or Monday or Sunday.

Amen. I agree.



JLB

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Are Seventh Day Adventists open to OSAS because i saw that in a thread i found on bing?

I'm not here to argue for or against OSAS. I plan on going to my local Seventh Day Adventist church 2 weeks from now because i'm going to a United Methodist church for my wife this week. I don't have a strong opinion at this point whether the Sabbath should be on Saturday or Sunday. I would name the person who did the post but i'm not sure i should. I would like to thank that person for that post. I very much believe respecting the the Sabbath is important for a strong US economy considering many people work 2 or 3 jobs just to survive. Once again thanks to SDA poster X for that post i found on bing!

I saw a youtube on what I found out later was Seventh Day Adventist that was very convincing considering its union between the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation.

The answer is no. What an individual might say could be one thing but the Adventist Church does not teach or believe in OSAS as it is not supported by scripture.