Are nudist church services morally acceptable?

[ItIsFinished!]

Only according to your opinion.

No , not according to my opinion only , but many others.
Do you understand the term "only"?

 

[Archivist]

Yeah. It doesn't state that it is allegory.
But, what does it state?
Pray tell...

It doesn’t say.

Jesus never said that the story of the Good Samaritan was a parable, but it is generally agreed that it was.

 

[Archivist]

No , not according to my opinion only , but many others.
Do you understand the term "only"?

I didn’t say that you were the only one with that opinion.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Only according to your opinion.

Right here.
You stated , only according to your opinion, which obviously isn't true.
Many others agree with my understanding.

 

[Archivist]

Right here.
You stated , only according to your opinion, which obviously isn't true.
Many others agree with my understanding.

Again, I didn’t say that you were the only one with that opinion. You made a statement, I said it was only according to your opinion.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

Hey everybody ! Let's gather around and praise The Lord!
Let your freak flag fly!!!
Surely God won't mind...
Yabba dabba doo...
I mean duh, He made Adam and Eve naked.
(Umm , of course)
Seriously? So ridiculous for those of you who try and "attempt" to make an argument here regarding the OP .
Seriously.
SMH.
It is CLEARLY wrong .

 

[Archivist]

Hey everybody ! Let's gather around and praise The Lord!
Let your freak flag fly!!!
Surely God won't mind...
Yabba dabba doo...
I mean duh, He made Adam and Eve naked.
(Umm , of course)
Seriously? So ridiculous for those of you who try and "attempt" to make an argument here regarding the OP .
Seriously.
SMH.
It is CLEARLY wrong .

This is when you can tell that a poster does not have a serious argument—when they start saying that those who disagree with them are “ridiculous” and they throw other insults. I have already said that you are entitled to your interpretation of scripture. You, on the other hand, seem to think that any interpretations that disagree with yours are wrong. Very sad.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

No . What is sad is people who misrepresent God and His glory with foolishness.
It isn't a matter of interpretation.
And , yes , it IS flat out RIDICULOUS to think any other concerning the topic.
Serious argument???
Please , there is no argument friend.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

And there were no insults thank you.

 

[Archivist]

No . What is sad is people who misrepresent God and His glory with foolishness.
It isn't a matter of interpretation.
And , yes , it IS flat out RIDICULOUS to think any other concerning the topic.
Serious argument???
Please , there is no argument friend.

Again, you are speaking your opinion and your interpretation as if it is fact. Guess what, it isn’t.

 

[Archivist]

And there were no insults thank you.

Called others “ridiculous” and using similiar terms is insult.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

It is ridiculous.
Obviously.
In "your" opinion it is an insult.
Many (thank God) disagree.

 

[Archivist]

It is ridiculous.
Obviously.
In "your" opinion it is an insult.
Many (thank God) disagree.

You are, once again, entitled to your opinion. Unlike you, I am not going to say that your views are “ridiculous.” Sad that you cannot show others the same respect.

 

[Darkhorse]

Everything in the bible points to nudity not being an acceptable practice. Nowhere that it is mentioned is it condoned. That there is no verse that states "thou [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] not be nude" is no reason to do so.

Uncovering the nakedness of another is also how the bible talks about having sexual relations, the 2 go together. Sex, nakedness is between husband and wife.

There is much made of the fact that nudity at this level makes it so mundane that nobody reacts to it--no erections and therefore no lust. I don't know which is worse, the lack of even seeing how wrong this is, or the putting of a gift of God that brings 2 people together into one in bliss and joy and love that now becomes just total nothing. It is part of the 2 joining together and it becomes just no big deal. Long term marriage is hard enough without making this one loving act just another bodily function. Sex was never meant to be mundane nor was nudity.

So the fact that God does not condone nudity means we should avoid it,
but the fact that God does not command against it doesn't count. Seems a little inconsistent.

I'm really surprised to see a medical professional such as yourself equate nudity with sex.
Do medical people have sex with their patients by seeing them nude? Of course not!

If nudity and sex are the same because of the "uncover the nakedness of" idiom,
then sleep and sex must be the same because of the modern "sleep with" idiom.
That sure puts a different slant on the kids bedtime!

You use the argument that making nudity mundane makes sex mundane.
Not true, because nudity and sex are not the same.
Even if nudity becomes mundane, sex does not.
My wife and I have been nudists together since before we were married, and we still get excited about sex after 28 years of marriage.

 

[mmksparbud]

So the fact that God does not condone nudity means we should avoid it,
but the fact that God does not command against it doesn't count. Seems a little inconsistent.

I'm really surprised to see a medical professional such as yourself equate nudity with sex.
Do medical people have sex with their patients by seeing them nude? Of course not!

If nudity and sex are the same because of the "uncover the nakedness of" idiom,
then sleep and sex must be the same because of the modern "sleep with" idiom.
That sure puts a different slant on the kids bedtime!

You use the argument that making nudity mundane makes sex mundane.
Not true, because nudity and sex are not the same.
Even if nudity becomes mundane, sex does not.
My wife and I have been nudists together since before we were married, and we still get excited about sex after 28 years of marriage.

You welcome to your believes. What I said is not that sex and nudity are the same thing in all circumstances, but that in the bible when it is mentioned it is in that sense. Please do not restructure my words.
What you and your wife do is between you and your wife. That obviously is not what I was talking about nor what this thread is about. It is about nudity with others. And as I said, if you want to go to church and worship with others in the nude, if it is legal, then it is your decision and you have no one but God to answer for whatever you do. If He does not agree, you will find out and if He does you will find out. I simply would not bet my salvation on such a thing, nor would wish to lead others into it.

 

[Archivist]

And as I said, if you want to go to church and worship with others in the nude, if it is legal, then it is your decision and you have no one but God to answer for whatever you do. If He does not agree, you will find out and if He does you will find out. I simply would not bet my salvation on such a thing, nor would wish to lead others into it.

But you are talking about something--nude worship--that is not directly addressed anywhere in scripture. Instead you are looking at scattered verses that contain the word naked and then trying to use that to say that it is wrong for anyone to worship in the nude--I seem to recall that you said that it was "absurd."

I would not say such things to you. I believe that you are entitled to your interpretation of scripture. I don't think it is absurd for you to have your own views.

My former Amish neighbors do not drive automobiles because they believed that traveling by horse and buggy allows them to maintain distance from the world, and of course scripture says that we are not to be of the world. Scripture does not, of course, say not to drive cars, but that is their interpretation. I could pose the same question to you regarding cars that you posed to Darkhorse regarding nude worship (something else that is not directly addressed in scripture)--are you willing to bet your salvation on such a thing?

 

[Hazelelponi]

But you are talking about something--nude worship--that is not directly addressed anywhere in scripture. Instead you are looking at scattered verses that contain the word naked and then trying to use that to say that it is wrong for anyone to worship in the nude--I seem to recall that you said that it was "ridiculous" and that it was "misrepresent[ing] God and His glory with foolishness."

I would not say such things to you. I believe that you are entitled to your interpretation of scripture. I don't think it is foolish or rediculous for you to have your own views.

My former Amish neighbors do not drive automobiles because they believed that traveling by horse and buggy allows them to maintain distance from the world, and of course scripture says that we are not to be of the world. Scripture does not, of course, say not to drive cars, but that is their interpretation. I could pose the same question to you regarding cars that you posed to Darkhorse regarding nude worship (something else that is not directly addressed in scripture)--are you willing to bet your salvation on such a thing?

There are a lot of things that aren't in the Bible specifically but can still be considered a sin in the eyes of God.

Worship of God in public in the nude is not in the Bible. But we can certainly, similar to being a meth head, conclude by examining scripture that it is not how God expects HIS children to behave in public.

1 Corinthians 12:2-24

When Adam and Eve had knowledge of good and evil, the first thing they did was to cover up their private parts.

the very first act that necessitated blood and sacrifice as a covering for sin was made for clothing

Think about it.

We will be clothed in heaven. White robes of righteousness, even there.

Meth heads are sinners. That's not in the Bible. GOD expects some common sense. 1+1=2

 

[Sam91]

There are a lot of things that aren't in the Bible specifically but can still be considered a sin in the eyes of God.

Worship of God in public in the nude is not in the Bible. But we can certainly, similar to being a meth head, conclude by examining scripture that it is not how God expects HIS children to behave in public.

1 Corinthians 12:2-24

When Adam and Eve had knowledge of good and evil, the first thing they did was to cover up their private parts.

the very first act that necessitated blood and sacrifice was made for clothing

Think about it.

We will be clothed in heaven. White robes of righteousness, even there.

Meth heads are sinners. That's not in the Bible. GOD expects some common sense. 1+1=2

One could deduce that although in Heaven where we will be free from sin, it is still better to be clothed.

Oh how wonderful to be clothed by God. How wonderful to be His child! How wonderful to be in His presence and one day to be in Heaven fully aware of His Glorious presence.

 

[FireDragon76]

If a person is in a situation where nudity is the norm, I don't see it as a sin per se. At the same time, communities and churches are in their rights to restrict public nudity.

 

[FireDragon76]

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