Are Mormon's Christian?

[peepnklown]

Obviously, they do not put their whole faith in that because they add other things to that belief that invalidates what you have said.

First, define Christian, second, which beliefs would you consider non-Christian (supported with scripture).

 

[peaceful soul]

First, define Christian, second, which beliefs would you consider non-Christian (supported with scripture). [/color]

Before we go any further with this. The basis of Mormonism comes from a supposed revelation after Christ; so, that alone nullifies anything that Mormonism stands for in respect to mainstream Christianity.

 

[Orontes]

I assume that all other groups don't have the same problem, given the fact that there are such things as heretical doctrines?

Hello,

A heretical stance is typically taken as a privation or perversion of orthodoxy. As such, it is a deviation. Deviations are still within the larger circle of the religious movement. For example: to Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism could be deemed heretical. From a Roman Catholic stance Calvinism could be deemed heretical. A Muslim would not be a heretic however. Thus, if Mormonism is heretical it would be, by the very label, Christian.

 

[DjDan]

Before we go any further with this. The basis of Mormonism comes from a supposed revelation after Christ; so, that alone nullifies anything that Mormonism stands for in respect to mainstream Christianity.

So... no more revelation because Christ physically died? You mean he can't speak from Heaven anymore? and why's that...???? Oh and what, receiving revelation from Christ/God after he physically died is not Christian?

Isn't it a truth that Peter received revelation after the death of Christ? Does that mean that Peter (the apostle) is not Christian?

 

[DjDan]

First, define Christian, second, which beliefs would you consider non-Christian (supported with scripture). [/color]

ha... that's the confusing part. i don't know if they have a real answer for such....

 

[peepnklown]

The basis of Mormonism comes from a supposed revelation after Christ; so, that alone nullifies anything that Mormonism stands for in respect to mainstream Christianity.

We’ll discuss this later (I’ll take note that you believe that Mormonism’s new revelation from Christ is non-Christian), but before we do you’ll have to clarify the definition of Christianity, and then point such beliefs that you believe are non-Christian, and then support them from scripture.

 

[peaceful soul]

So... no more revelation because Christ physically died? You mean he can't speak from Heaven anymore? and why's that...???? Oh and what, receiving revelation from Christ/God after he physically died is not Christian?

Isn't it a truth that Peter received revelation after the death of Christ? Does that mean that Peter (the apostle) is not Christian?

I should have known better. I mean after the Bible itself. I hope that it would be obvious that I could not have meant what you said; for the Bible would not have been completed, right?? We would have no Paul, Timothy, John, ect....

 

[peaceful soul]

Hello,

A heretical stance is typically taken as a privation or perversion of orthodoxy. As such, it is a deviation. Deviations are still within the larger circle of the religious movement. For example: to Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism could be deemed heretical. From a Roman Catholic stance Calvinism could be deemed heretical. A Muslim would not be a heretic however. Thus, if Mormonism is heretical it would be, by the very label, Christian.

Heretical does not mean that the doctrine is sound and passes orthodoxy, right? If it doesn't, it does not matter if it may be within the fold. It would still be a false doctrine. Mormonism outright denies Christ alone. It adds its own books too. That is a more serious problem than some other groups.

 

[Orontes]

Heretical does not mean that the doctrine is sound and passes orthodoxy, right?

That is correct.

If it doesn't, it does not matter if it may be within the fold. It would still be a false doctrine.

Being in the fold or no is question of the thread. The falsity or veracity of doctrine is a separate question.

 

[DjDan]

Before we go any further with this. The basis of Mormonism comes from a supposed revelation after Christ; so, that alone nullifies anything that Mormonism stands for in respect to mainstream Christianity.

I should have known better. I mean after the Bible itself. I hope that it would be obvious that I could not have meant what you said; for the Bible would not have been completed, right?? We would have no Paul, Timothy, John, ect....

You know... you need to type out your argument more clearly.

Are you saying that there were no revelations after Christ?
or.... are you saying that there were no revelations after the Bible?

for either one... where do you find support for this standpoint? When did Jesus ever say that there would be no more revelation from him? and when was the Bible even compiled?

 

[S Walch]

All the books of the Bible were written before 100 A.D.

But then, J. Smiths 'Revelations' contradict the Bible anyway.

http://www.carm.org/lds/infinity.htm
http://www.carm.org/lds/compare.htm

 

[msindiausa]

@ the Mormons...Can you explain the underwear thing...Also, can you explain baptism of the dead, including hitler...Do you honestly believe President Hinkley is a living prophet?

 

[msindiausa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints#The_Godhead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godhead_%28Mormonism%29

On the second link notice how the teachings of the mormon church is always changing.

 

[Rae]

Yes. Mormons are Christians. Most Christians don't want them to be, but they are.

 

[msindiausa]

Yes. Mormons are Christians. Most Christians don't want them to be, but they are.

How so? They do not follow christian doctrine, so how can they be called christian?

 

[DjDan]

How so? They do not follow christian doctrine, so how can they be called christian?

What is Christian doctrine?

Do you even know what a Christian is? Do you know when in the Bible, people were referred to as being Christian?

 

[newyorksaint]

@ the Mormons...Can you explain the underwear thing...Also, can you explain baptism of the dead, including hitler...Do you honestly believe President Hinkley is a living prophet?

The "underwear thing"-they are supposed to be physical reminders of our covenants with our Heavenly Father. Baptism of the dead? We believe that every person must be baptized, and by one holding proper authority. Since it must be done here on this earth, as a physical ordinance, we stand in proxy for someone who has already passed on, and it is considered that they have been baptized-provided that they want to accept it of course. As for Hitler, don't know much about that. I don't know how much is rumor, and how much isn't. And, yes, I do believe that President Hinckley is a living prophet of the Lord, and able to recieve revelation for the entire Church, as is his calling. (Thank you for using he proper title and name. It means a lot. )

 

[Caliban]

Isn't the revelations of Fatima a doctrine of faith and accepted by the catholic church therefore an inspiration of prophecy from Mary mother of God which was first instigated between May to October 1917 to three young shepherds?


If revelation can come to them after the bible then why not anyone else, or is it just because the church says what is inspiration or not?

 

[S Walch]

What is Christian doctrine?

Do you even know what a Christian is? Do you know when in the Bible, people were referred to as being Christian?

First called Christians in the City of Antioch..


What's this got to do with anything at all?

What is Christian doctrine?

My word..

http://www.carm.org/doctrine.htm

Go read.

Basic Christian Doctrine

 

[coyoteBR]

What is Christian doctrine?

My word..

http://www.carm.org/doctrine.htm

Go read.

Basic Christian Doctrine

I think that is where the problem lies.
We are here, discussing doctrines. Conventions. Dogma.

It would be better if we went back to the Basics: "Love God above everything and Your neighbour like yourself".
I guess Jesus Never Wanted us to do anything more than try to follow and understand this rule.
Why to focus on the things that set us apart?