Are Mormon's Christian?

[Unnamed]

What ever helps you sleep at night.

what's this... anti-mormon websites? oh, how suprising. Mate, you can find an 'anti' site about anything. It doesn't mean that what they say is right. As a mormon i know that there is no polygamy in the church.

As an example of your ignorance, i should point out that Tom Green is not a mormon. From the bbc news link you presented, i quote:

Tom Green has been excommunicated from the Mormon Church, which originally embraced polygamy but banned it in 1890.

Oh, and just for confirmation... read clearly: "banned it in 1890". The mormon church does not practice polygamy, and Tom Green is not a member of this church. Wake up and open your eyes mate, you know nothing about my church. All you know is rumours... and the site address' of where this rubbish comes from.

 

[msindiausa]

what's this... anti-mormon websites? oh, how suprising. Mate, you can find an 'anti' site about anything. It doesn't mean that what they say is right. As a mormon i know that there is no polygamy in the church.

As an example of your ignorance, i should point out that Tom Green is not a mormon. From the bbc news link you presented, i quote:

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Oh, and just for confirmation... read clearly: "banned it in 1890". The mormon church does not practice polygamy, and Tom Green is not a member of this church. Wake up and open your eyes mate, you know nothing about my church. All you know is rumours... and the site address' of where this rubbish comes from.

Banned in the 1880's yet mormons are still practicing it....Whatever. It is an acceptable mormon practice, but it is not christianity. mormonism is its own religion and has no affiliation with the Christ of the true bible.

 

[urnotme]

I think Yes, aren't they? With so many denominations , it's all so confusing now. Christianity is supposed to be one strict way, right?

I think they should be considered christians but most christians don't think they should, I thiink they reject the Nicean Creed and that is supposed to rule you out of christianity.

 

[msindiausa]

I think they should be considered christians but most christians don't think they should, I thiink they reject the Nicean Creed and that is supposed to rule you out of christianity.

They also believe that Jesus came to america, native americans are cursed people with dark skin, and God slept with mary in order to conceive Jesus...That is not christian doctrine in any form. that is mormon doctrine. But then again, they are mormon, not christian.

 

[urnotme]

They also believe that Jesus came to america, native americans are cursed people with dark skin, and God slept with mary in order to conceive Jesus...That is not christian doctrine in any form. that is mormon doctrine. But then again, they are mormon, not christian.

Actually the native americans are suppossed to be decendants of the isrealites.

 

[looking4wisdom]

Actually the native americans are suppossed to be decendants of the isrealites.

...who were cursed with dark skin because of their rebellion!

 

[Caliban]

msindiausa I find your comments quite viperous for a fellow christian, don't judge all by someones website unless you hold the truth from God himself!

 

[msindiausa]

msindiausa I find your comments quite viperous for a fellow christian, don't judge all by someones website unless you hold the truth from God himself!

I am judging the mormon religion by its doctrine....Is there something wrong with that?

 

[ravenscape]

I am judging the mormon religion by its doctrine....Is there something wrong with that?

Nothing wrong but where you choose to educate yourself about mormon doctrine

 

[msindiausa]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates]What Mormons Won't Tell You

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates]Mormons are required to spread the word of Mormonism. They are required to gather converts if possible. It is however often more interesting what the Mormon visitor won't tell you about their organization than what they will tell you. For instance, it is not mentioned that the present-day Book of Mormon is much different than its original 1830 version.
Major doctrinal changes have taken place. It has been demonstrated that, including punctuation and spelling, almost 4,000 changes have been made to the 1981 edition when compared to the 1830 edition.1 One must ask, if Mormonism started because all the other churches were wrong and corrupt, why has the Mormon Church itself changed so
drastically from 1830 to today? If God imparted His wisdom to the Joseph Smith directly, why so many errors in spelling and punctuation? Why so many doctrinal changes? Was God mistaken on these many points when he gaveJoseph Smith His new revelation?

One of the major changes to Mormon doctrine occurred in April of 1844 during Joseph Smith's King Follett Address. The founder of the Mormon Church stated the following:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man...we have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see."2

This teaching came from Joseph Smith even though the teaching of the Mormon church up to that moment had been that God was from eternity to eternity, as had been taught in their church since 1835 from their Doctrine and Covenants, and the 1830 Book of Mormon.3 Because Smith was and is perceived as a prophet from God, he can make such a contradictory change in Mormon theology and not be challenged. Even though most Mormons would tell you that God the Father is not a contradictory God, or a God of confusion, they never the less accept this event. A truly unbelievable
occurrence.



Other Problems with the Mormon Faith

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates]The power of faith is incredible. If a person truly believes in their faith, it is nearly impossible to get them to see reason and turn from a cult such as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The important thing is to have faith is what is
true. If you put your faith in a lie, you can become imprisoned to that lie and not even realize it. Much like the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Mormons see themselves as having the true light of God's word. When challenged, they almost relish in the fact that they and their doctrines have come into question. They truly believe that they are right, and all those who
dare question their faith are lost, even though the questions often are quite reasonable. If the Mormon is pushed to the point of having to acknowledge logically that their faith has problems, they will often revert to the "burning in the bosom" defense,
which is essentially to say that they "feel" they are right deep down inside. They have found the "testimony of truth" and are instructed to believe whatever they are told about the Mormon religion, and to accept it as true. What Mormon's must
be aware of is that their religion militates against the Bible. They must realize that God has warned them about such things. In Romans 10:1-4, we read: [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates]"there is a way that seems right to a man, but the end thereof is destruction."[/font][/font] This is what Mormons must come to realize, that if their faith is not teaching in harmony with scripture, then they are in
danger of judgment.

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Prophecy is another area in which the Mormon church fails. We are told in the Bible that every prophetic statement from God shall be 100% accurate. The book or Docrtines and and Covenants, one of the Mormon church's main holy books, shows major deviations from the true word of God. For instance, the Mormon holy book Doctrines and
Covenants, predicted in 1832 that a temple and a new Jerusalem would be built at a specific site in west Missouri within a gereration (D&C 97:19). This prediction was cited again in (D&C 101:17-21). It also predicted that the new Jerusalem would never be moved from Missouri. With this said, Salt Lake City became the "Jerusalem", and there
have been many generations that have come and gone, with no temple ever being built in Missouri. The Mormon Church is a false prophet and has demonstrated it is not from God.[/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates]The [/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif, Papyrus Alternates]Mormon religion differs from Christianity in many areas. It is interesting to note also that certain teachings can be found to be taught in the Mormon religion but are not found in the Book of Mormon. Some of these are listed below
and are taken from Mormons, how to Witness to Them by John Farkas & David Reed, pp. 33, 34 - Baker Books, © 1997.

[/font] 1. God the Father has a body of flesh and bones. (The Book of Mormon teaches that God is spirit — Mosiah 15:1-5;
Alma 18:26-29; 19:25-27; 22:8-11; 31:15-38.)



2. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are separate and distinct Gods.



3. They are one God in that they are "one in purpose."

4. God the Father was once a man like us and progressed until he became God. (In reality the Book of Mormon says
God has always been God from eternity to eternity — Mosiah 3:5; 2 Nephi 27:23; 29:9; Moroni 7:22; 8:18; Mormon
9:9, 19.)


5. There are three levels in heaven.

6. We can progress and become Gods with "all the power, glory, dominion, and knowledge" the Father and Son have.

7. The elaborate priesthoods and organization in present-day Mormonism. There is no mention by name of the Aaronic
and Melchizedek Priesthood, there are no deacons mentioned at all, there are no ordinations to any priesthood,
and in Moroni 6:1 those who appear to hold a priesthood office (by present criteria) are baptized after they show
works worthy of it.

8. Our spirits and the spirit of Jesus Christ were born in the pre-existence (a pre-mortal life).

9. The "new and everlasting covenant." temple marriage and the practice of polygamy, are taught in Doctrines and
Covenants 132. (In fact, the practice of polygamy is condemned by the present-day Mormon Church and by the
Book of Mormon: Jacob 2:24, 27; Mosiah 11:2; Ether 10:5).

10. Matter is eternal, and all Jesus Christ did in his creation was to organize and form it.

11. Vicarious work for the dead is now done in Mormon temples. (In reality, the Book of Mormon rules out such a
practice — 2 Nephi 26:11; Alma 5:28; 34:31-35; Mosiah 16:5, 11; 26:25-27).

12. God is married — there is a Mother in heaven.

13. The sacred temple endowment ceremonies that Mormonism teaches are needed to pass through the veil to spend
eternity with God.

14. Jesus Christ atoned for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane. In fact, the Book of Mormon does not even mention
the Garden of Gethsemane; it says Jesus Christ died for all men on the cross — 2 Nephi 9:5; 1 Nephi 11:33;
3 Nephi 27:14.


Summary

It's likely the Mormon visitor to your door will not reveal to you what we have shown here. All the facts however are available for review to anyone who wishes to investigate them, including the Mormon. It's only reasonable and fair to point out the shortcomings of any spiritual belief. Christianity welcomes such scrutiny, as it is capable of standing on
truth and not error. One will not find such problems as those listed above with the Bible and the Christian faith simply because Christianity is based on truth, and rests on a solid foundation. Mormonism however does not. It is riddled with contradiction, lies, and half truths. While this may seem harsh, it must be stated. Most Mormons are not aware of
(sometimes willingly) the problems that plague the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Even so, ignorance is no protection from the loss of salvation that will occur for those who follow a different Christ than He who is found in the Bible, not the religion that was founded by Joseph Smith.


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[ravenscape]

And where did this fine scholarly treatise come from?

 

[Caliban]

And where did this fine scholarly treatise come from?

Here of course (a webiste...lol)

http://www.hopeandreason.org/Mormonism.htm

Don't you know how to use google lol

 

[ravenscape]

Here of course (a webiste...lol)

http://www.hopeandreason.org/Mormonism.htm

Don't you know how to use google lol

Erm...my point was that there was no citation, just a cut and paste job. But, so often my irony goes unappreciated.

 

[Caliban]

HAAHHAHHHA I know I know...I understand you hon

 

[ravenscape]

*slinks away in shame

 

[msindiausa]

What is shameful about cut and paste jobs...I am certainly no scholar. And of course I got all of my information from websites that disagree with the cult of Mormonism. DO you think mormons will ever be honest about their cult?

 

[DjDan]

Banned in the 1880's yet mormons are still practicing it....Whatever. It is an acceptable mormon practice, but it is not christianity. mormonism is its own religion and has no affiliation with the Christ of the true bible.

May I suggest that you run away from this thread before you make yourself look any more stupid. You've made it very clear now how ignorant you are of the church that you are trying to bash. No wonder why you don't know that we are christian... you know nothing about us!

No part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints is affiliated with polygamy. Any member who involves himself with it is excommunicated. It's as simple as that.

You say mormons still practice it... you are utterly wrong. give me some evidence of this!

You say it is an acceptable mormon practice.. you are wrong. May i again repeat that it was banned long ago.. and is still banned today.

 

[DjDan]

What is shameful about cut and paste jobs...I am certainly no scholar. And of course I got all of my information from websites that disagree with the cult of Mormonism. DO you think mormons will ever be honest about their cult?

of course... and that's why what you say is wrong and even absurd! clearly you believe anything.. so long as it goes against the Mormon faith. You are just like the pharisees... hating the saviour in every aspect of his life - even the good!

 

[Moros]

Magical golden plates written in a magical language, magical top hats, magical translating stones, even magical underwear. Magical temple rites ripped off from the magical Masons. But hey, believing in Jesus makes you a Christian, right?

 

[DjDan]

Magical golden plates written in a magical language, magical top hats, magical translating stones, even magical underwear. Magical temple rites ripped off from the magical Masons. But hey, believing in Jesus makes you a Christian, right?

Dear my ignorant friend,

Who said that they were magical? Does God work with magic?