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Are Christian seminaries necessary?

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LittleLambofJesus

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I personally do agree, as long as everyone remembers to take what he or she hears to Jesus and asks him if it is right or not. Even if the person sharing is right, it may not be the time for the hearer to receive or be able as yet, to understand. Jesus/Holy Spirit needs to decide that for each and every one of us.
The one thing I have against seminaries per-se is each one teaches their own set of doctrines and beliefs depending on denomination.
I myself like learning the Hebrew and Greek for translating and appears to be where the Lord has led me. Each one is called according to His will and if one is led to a seminary or bible college, then perhaps that is where the Lord leads him.
I myself am just leery of most, but I would prefer one that does delve into the Hebrew and Koine greek someday. :wave:

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Pro 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
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Jonah 1:4 And Jehovah hath cast forth/02904 tuwl a great wind/07307 ruwach on the Sea, and there is a great Tempest/05591 ca`ar in the Sea, and the ship hath reckoned to be broken;

Matthew 8:24 and lo, a great tempest/seismoV <4578> arose in the sea, so that the boat was being covered/kaluptesqai <2572> over the waves, He yet was sleeping,

Reve 16:18 And there were noises/voices and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake/seismoV <4578> , such a mighty and great earthquake/seismoV <4578>as had not occurred since men were on the land.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new land, for the first heaven and the first land did pass away, and the sea is not any more;
 
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Then take into consideration His words...

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
 
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Then take into consideration His words...

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 28:20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
That is right; teach people to accept Jesus, so God can teach them.
 
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Jesus tells us above to teach them ALL things which He has commanded us.

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(1 Corinthians 2:716)”The hidden wisdom of God which we teach in our mysteries is the wisdom that God predestined to be for our glory before the ages began. It is a wisdom that none of the masters of this age have ever known, or they would not have crucified the Lord of Glory, we teach what scripture called the things that no eye has seen and no ear has heard, things beyond the mind of man, all that God has prepared for those who love him.
These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depths of everything, even the depths of God After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us. Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually. An unspiritual person is one who does not accept anything of the Spirit of God: he sees it all as nonsense; it is beyond his understanding because it can only be understood by means of the Spirit. A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything, and his own value is not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”
 
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This might have already been mentioned, as I have not read all 17 pages of this thread. But I see seminaries as being centers of intensive learning. Sure one can learn the same things taught at seminary through their own studies. But if someone wants to fast-track their Bible knowledge and study intensely for a few years and learn what might have otherwise taken them 10 years (or longer), then going to a seminary will help them do so. You can also learn from teachers who have served in ministry and can share practical wisdom gained from first-hand experience.
 
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This might have already been mentioned, as I have not read all 17 pages of this thread. But I see seminaries as being centers of intensive learning. Sure one can learn the same things taught at seminary through their own studies. But if someone wants to fast-track their Bible knowledge and study intensely for a few years and learn what might have otherwise taken them 10 years (or longer), then going to a seminary will help them do so. You can also learn from teachers who have served in ministry and can share practical wisdom gained from first-hand experience.

You're right.

ONE of the many benefits of a Seminary education is that you are FORCED to think and study through your own personal beliefs and convictions - you are forced to examine your own understandings. You are FORCED to give accurate answers, based on good exegesis - rather than on, "That's what I think the verse says!"

And this is something that is SORELY NEEDED in EVERY church today!

I cannot tell you how many times, as a pastor, I have encountered people who take one verse, completely out of context, and from either a Psalm of Prophet, and they build a huge doctrine/dogma out of it! And their fervor over their self-created doctrine is surpassed only by their error! It's amazing.

They have all the answers, mostly because they have NEVER been asked the right questions.

I've also been amazed by how many weird & wacky things people claim "The Holy Spirit" has told them to do. Usually, the Holy Spirit "just happens" to tell somebody something that that person already decided to believe or do. And this is a very dangerous thing!
 
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You're right.

ONE of the many benefits of a Seminary education is that you are FORCED to think and study through your own personal beliefs and convictions - you are forced to examine your own understandings. You are FORCED to give accurate answers, based on good exegesis - rather than on, "That's what I think the verse says!"

And this is something that is SORELY NEEDED in EVERY church today!

I cannot tell you how many times, as a pastor, I have encountered people who take one verse, completely out of context, and from either a Psalm of Prophet, and they build a huge doctrine/dogma out of it! And their fervor over their self-created doctrine is surpassed only by their error! It's amazing.

They have all the answers, mostly because they have NEVER been asked the right questions.

I've also been amazed by how many weird & wacky things people claim "The Holy Spirit" has told them to do. Usually, the Holy Spirit "just happens" to tell somebody something that that person already decided to believe or do. And this is a very dangerous thing!
You said it well, seminaries force someone to do what the seminaries believe is right. The Holy Spirit guides a person toward God.

How is anyone to judge someone else’s relationship with God? How dare you say what you did about another person’s guidance from the Holy Spirit? Do you know what route the Holy Spirit is taking anyone towards God?

You are putting down the most perfect teacher, by saying man is a better more reliable teacher than God.

 
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1. You said it well, seminaries force someone to do what the seminaries believe is right. The Holy Spirit guides a person toward God.

2. How is anyone to judge someone else&#8217;s relationship with God? How dare you say what you did about another person&#8217;s guidance from the Holy Spirit? Do you know what route the Holy Spirit is taking anyone towards God?

3. You are putting down the most perfect teacher, by saying man is a better more reliable teacher than God.
1. You're totally wrong. Again! Seminaries are filled with people who will challenge your beliefs, and make you THINK and make you STUDY in order to see if what you believe is Biblically correct or not.

I can pretty much assure you that IF you ever had the courage to step into an institution of higher education, you'd find that a LOT of your beliefs and personal doctrines are absolutely un-Scriptural. And frankly, I think that's why you are so scared of, and hateful toward, seminaries. You feel threatened.



2. It's simple.

Let me give you an example: One family claimed that the Holy Spirit told them to attend a specific church. Strangely, that same "holy spirt?" led them to LEAVE that same church - 6 months later - immediately after their daughter got married there, using the building and everything in it for FREE. So... did the Holy Spirit lead this family correctly? Or was this family lying?

It is AMAZING what some people say the Holy Spirit is telling them and/or telling them to do.



3. And you're wrong about that - yet again.
I am NOT "putting down the most perfect teacher." That is ABSURD.

I'm putting down what people claim to be the teaching or leading of the Holy Spirit. I cannot even begin to tell you how utterly stupid some of these claims are.

Do you understand the difference? I doubt it...




So you have a real problem, and hang-up, with seminaries - the people who teach there, and the people who attend there.

So let's turn this around: I personally have a real hang-up with IGNORANT people, who are BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE, running around bashing institutions they know nothing about.

How fun is THAT?!?!?!? :)

 
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1. You're totally wrong. Again! Seminaries are filled with people who will challenge your beliefs, and make you THINK and make you STUDY in order to see if what you believe is Biblically correct or not.

I can pretty much assure you that IF you ever had the courage to step into an institution of higher education, you'd find that a LOT of your beliefs and personal doctrines are absolutely un-Scriptural. And frankly, I think that's why you are so scared of, and hateful toward, seminaries. You feel threatened.



2. It's simple.

Let me give you an example: One family claimed that the Holy Spirit told them to attend a specific church. Strangely, that same "holy spirt?" led them to LEAVE that same church - 6 months later - immediately after their daughter got married there, using the building and everything in it for FREE. So... did the Holy Spirit lead this family correctly? Or was this family lying?

It is AMAZING what some people say the Holy Spirit is telling them and/or telling them to do.



3. And you're wrong about that - yet again.
I am NOT "putting down the most perfect teacher." That is ABSURD.

I'm putting down what people claim to be the teaching or leading of the Holy Spirit. I cannot even begin to tell you how utterly stupid some of these claims are.

Do you understand the difference? I doubt it...




So you have a real problem, and hang-up, with seminaries - the people who teach there, and the people who attend there.

So let's turn this around: I personally have a real hang-up with IGNORANT people, who are BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE, running around bashing institutions they know nothing about.

How fun is THAT?!?!?!? :)

Wow! When someone gets as defensive as you just were, there must be some great fear that they are wrong.

I wonder how anyone could be so against having the Holy Spirit teach someone, unless they were hoping for it to happen to them and it didn’t, so then of course, it couldn’t happen to anyone.
 
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Wow! When someone gets as defensive as you just were, there must be some great fear that they are wrong.
No, actually it's me finally getting fed up after 18 pages of you making ignorant, arrogant and totally wrong accusations.

You have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.


I wonder how anyone could be so against having the Holy Spirit teach someone, unless they were hoping for it to happen to them and it didn’t, so then of course, it couldn’t happen to anyone.
Did you even bother to read what I wrote about these people who "supposedly" were acting on what the Holy Spirit told them to do?

Did you bother reading it?

If you DID read it, there is NO WAY you could respond with such irrelevant drivel.



So you want to remain biblically illiterate and uneducated... That's fine.

But stop wasting band-width condemning people who DO get a Biblical education. I doubt VERY seriously that it is the Holy Spirit that is prompting you to write all the nonsense you've posted in this thread!
 
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So you want to remain biblically illiterate and uneducated... That's fine.

But stop wasting band-width condemning people who DO get a Biblical education. I doubt VERY seriously that it is the Holy Spirit that is prompting you to write all the nonsense you've posted in this thread!
Have you always bullied your way in discussion? Do you try to bulldoze everyone who disagrees with you?

I have met a number of ministers who when anyone disagrees with them, start calling those people names. It is like they think they are God and how dare could anyone disagree. Are you one of them? You are sure writing like one of them.
 
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Have you always bullied your way in discussion? Do you try to bulldoze everyone who disagrees with you?

I have met a number of ministers who when anyone disagrees with them, start calling those people names. It is like they think they are God and how dare could anyone disagree. Are you one of them? You are sure writing like one of them.

There are now 18 pages of this ridiculous thread - and almost everything here is related to your belligerent hatred of seminaries, and your continued ranting against them, despite the facts presented to you.

I refrained, for a LONG TIME, from confronting your ignorance head on. I have exercised patience and grace. But you just can't drop it, and move on from your ignorant rants.

Have you noticed how many people - in this thread alone - have stood firmly against your OPINION? Have you ignored their sentiments too?

Like I said before, you are fully welcome to remain Biblically illiterate and uneducated (this is a conclusion I've come to - about you - after reading PAGES of your ramblings) if you wish. But stop wasting everybody's time by trying to force people to agree with you.


You might also want to ask yourself if the reason you have so many run-ins with so many pastors & ministers is because YOU and your attitude are the common denominator, and the REAL source of the problem...
 
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There are now 18 pages of this ridiculous thread - and almost everything here is related to your belligerent hatred of seminaries, and your continued ranting against them, despite the facts presented to you.

I refrained, for a LONG TIME, from confronting your ignorance head on. I have exercised patience and grace. But you just can't drop it, and move on from your ignorant rants.

Have you noticed how many people - in this thread alone - have stood firmly against your OPINION? Have you ignored their sentiments too?

Like I said before, you are fully welcome to remain Biblically illiterate and uneducated (this is a conclusion I've come to - about you - after reading PAGES of your ramblings) if you wish. But stop wasting everybody's time by trying to force people to agree with you.


You might also want to ask yourself if the reason you have so many run-ins with so many pastors & ministers is because YOU and your attitude are the common denominator, and the REAL source of the problem...
First you say that seminaries are good because they forced students to learn. Now you say I have been using force to make people believe, and that makes force wrong. Can’t you make up your mind?

Now if you call my using scripture and reason, using force, then maybe your definition of force is OK?

You know what your problem really is: you don’t like what I have been writing, and don’t have any scriptural or reasonable argument against what I have been saying, so your negative feelings have gotten the best of you, and you started calling me names. You should really ask God to help you keep hold of your temper.
 
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You know what your problem really is: you don’t like what I have been writing, and don’t have any scriptural or reasonable argument against what I have been saying, so your negative feelings have gotten the best of you, and you started calling me names. You should really ask God to help you keep hold of your temper.

Yeah, okay! ^_^

Actually, I'm just going to ignore your ranting blather - like everyone else has done with this thread. How's that?

In the mean-time, I'd suggest you ask your Holy Spirit if he thinks you should be wasting your time being obnoxious about Christian seminaries...
 
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