ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

[Jan001]

We have been through this passage already so I do not see the point in repeating ourselves. We do not consider Maccabees as inspired Scripture.

Take care

Exodus 31:13

Israelite/Jew, same thing.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Exodus 31:13

Israelite/Jew, same thing.

Israel is the same as who the New Covenant is made to Heb 8:10 we are grafted in and part of the promise through faith Gal 3:26-29

 

[Jan001]

Israel is the same as who the New Covenant is made to Heb 8:10 we are grafted in and part of the promise through faith Gal 3:26-29

I agree. Also made with the house of Judah. Jeremiah 31:31

Gentiles included:

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”

Galatians 3:14 that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

It is through Abraham, who was never an Israelite or Jew, that we Gentiles are eligible to partake of the New Covenant.

Jesus saves all who believe in/obey him. Luke 2:29-33, Acts 10:35

 

[HIM]

I agree. Also made with the house of Judah. Jeremiah 31:31

Gentiles included:

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.”

Galatians 3:14 that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

It is through Abraham, who was never an Israelite or Jew, that we Gentiles are eligible to partake of the New Covenant.

Jesus saves all who believe in/obey him. Luke 2:29-33, Acts 10:35

Nice post.
Here is a loaded question. Blessed is a present tense verb, an action not a noun, a state of being in the following verse. Is there a difference between being blessed and are blessed?

(ABP) Gal 3:9 So then the [ones] of faith are being blessed together-with Abraham, the [man-of]-faith.

(KJV) Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

 

[Jan001]

Nice post.
Here is a loaded question. Blessed is a present tense verb, an action not a noun, a state of being in the following verse. Is there a difference between being blessed and are blessed?

(ABP) Gal 3:9 So then the [ones] of faith are being blessed together-with Abraham, the [man-of]-faith.

(KJV) Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

If a person is remaining faithful, he is being blessed. If we look at the Mounce Greek, it shows this:

Gal: 3:9 So then, those who believe are blessed along with Abraham, the believer.

To believe in Jesus Christ means to obey him. If a Christian stops obeying Jesus (his commandments), he is no longer a faithful believer. He, therefore, is no longer blessed. If he repents and confesses his sins, God will forgive him, and he will once again be a faithful believer and blessed along with Abraham. Acts 3:19, 1 John 1:9, Matthew 3:8

If he is still a blessed believer (obedient/faithful)) at the time of his death, he will then be approved to enter eternal life. John 5:28-30, Revelation 2:10

Luke 8:13 Those on rock are the ones who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a short while, but in time of trial they fall away.

Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?


Luke 13:23-28
Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?” He answered, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow door, for many, I tell you, will try to enter but will not succeed in doing so.
25 “When once the master of the house has gotten up and shut the door, you may find yourself standing outside knocking on the door and begging, ‘Lord, open the door for us.’ He will say in reply, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ 26 Then you will protest, ‘We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ 27 But he will say, ‘I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you evildoers!’
28 “There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the Prophets in the kingdom of God as you yourselves are being thrown out.

 

[HIM]

If a person is remaining faithful, he is being blessed. If we look at the Mounce Greek, it shows this:

Gal: 3:9 So then, those who believe are blessed along with Abraham, the believer.

Odd, blessed in Mounce's translation is being used as an adjective not a verb. It is not. It is a present tense verb and should be translated as such. I would love to ask Mounce why he did that, but I think I know why. He probably rejected or did not understand the context of verses 8 and 9.
For all nations shall be blessed IN our Father Abraham.. That is, those of Faith are being Blessed WITH the BELIEVING Abraham.

What do you make of the use of the prepositions, IN and WITH?

8 προϊδοῦσα δὲ And Foreseeing ἡ The γραφὴ Scripture ὅτι That ἐκ By πίστεως Faith δικαιοῖ Justifies τὰ The ἔθνη Nations ὁ θεὸς God, προευηγγελίσατο Before Announced Glad Tidings τῷ Ἀβραὰμ ὅτι To Abraham : Ἐνευλογηθήσονται Shall Be Blessed ἐν In σοὶ Thee πάντα All τὰ The ἔθνη· Nations.
9 ὥστε So That οἱ Those ἐκ Of πίστεως Faith εὐλογοῦνται Are Being Blessed σὺν With τῷ The πιστῷ Believing Ἀβραάμ Abraham.

 

[HIM]

To believe in Jesus Christ means to obey him.

IF we are crucified with Christ and we are dead but alive, yet not us, but Christ Jesus lives in us and the Life we now live in the flesh, we live by the FAITH OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us. Then we live by the hearing of THIS Faith. And By this Listening, hearkening unto this Faith we receive the Spirit and He works power, HIS Power IN us. EVEN AS Abraham BELIEVED BY THE GOD or to the GOD and it was accounted unto him as righteousness.

Gal 2:20 Χριστῷ Christ συνεσταύρωμαι I Have Been Crucified With, ζῶ δὲ Yet I Live, οὐκέτι No Longer ἐγώ I, ζῇ δὲ But Lives ἐν In ἐμοὶ Me Χριστός· Christ; ὃ δὲ But That Which νῦν Now ζῶ I Live ἐν In σαρκί Flesh, ἐν In πίστει Faith ζῶ I Live, τῇ That τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ θεοῦ Of God, τοῦ Who ἀγαπήσαντός Loved με Me καὶ And παραδόντος Gave Up ἑαυτὸν Himself ὑπὲρ For ἐμοῦ Me.

Gal 3:5 ὁ He Who οὖν Therefore ἐπιχορηγῶν Supplies ὑμῖν To You τὸ The πνεῦμα Spirit, καὶ And ἐνεργῶν Works δυνάμεις Works Of Power ἐν IN ὑμῖν You, 'Is It' ἐξ By ἔργων Works νόμου Of Law ἢ Or ἐξ By ἀκοῆς hearing πίστεως Of Faith?

 

[Jan001]

Odd, blessed in Mounce's translation is being used as an adjective not a verb. It is not. It is a present tense verb and should be translated as such. I would love to ask Mounce why he did that, but I think I know why. He probably rejected or did not understand the context of verses 8 and 9.
For all nations shall be blessed IN our Father Abraham.. That is, those of Faith are being Blessed WITH the BELIEVING Abraham.

What do you make of the use of the prepositions, IN and WITH?

8 προϊδοῦσα δὲ And Foreseeing ἡ The γραφὴ Scripture ὅτι That ἐκ By πίστεως Faith δικαιοῖ Justifies τὰ The ἔθνη Nations ὁ θεὸς God, προευηγγελίσατο Before Announced Glad Tidings τῷ Ἀβραὰμ ὅτι To Abraham : Ἐνευλογηθήσονται Shall Be Blessed ἐν In σοὶ Thee πάντα All τὰ The ἔθνη· Nations.
9 ὥστε So That οἱ Those ἐκ Of πίστεως Faith εὐλογοῦνται Are Being Blessed σὺν With τῷ The πιστῷ Believing Ἀβραάμ Abraham.

NCB 8-9 Because Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, it declared the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you all the nations will be blessed.” 9 For this reason, those who have faith share the blessing with Abraham, the faithful one.

It seems to me that because Abraham first believed by faith before he was circumcised, he became the spiritual father (in him) of all people who believe, whether they be circumcised or uncircumcised. So all people who believe will share salvation with Abraham.

 

[Jan001]

IF we are crucified with Christ and we are dead but alive, yet not us, but Christ Jesus lives in us and the Life we now live in the flesh, we live by the FAITH OF the Son of God who gave Himself for us. Then we live by the hearing of THIS Faith. And By this Listening, hearkening unto this Faith we receive the Spirit and He works power, HIS Power IN us. EVEN AS Abraham BELIEVED BY THE GOD or to the GOD and it was accounted unto him as righteousness.

Gal 2:20 Χριστῷ Christ συνεσταύρωμαι I Have Been Crucified With, ζῶ δὲ Yet I Live, οὐκέτι No Longer ἐγώ I, ζῇ δὲ But Lives ἐν In ἐμοὶ Me Χριστός· Christ; ὃ δὲ But That Which νῦν Now ζῶ I Live ἐν In σαρκί Flesh, ἐν In πίστει Faith ζῶ I Live, τῇ That τοῦ Of The υἱοῦ Son τοῦ θεοῦ Of God, τοῦ Who ἀγαπήσαντός Loved με Me καὶ And παραδόντος Gave Up ἑαυτὸν Himself ὑπὲρ For ἐμοῦ Me.

Gal 3:5 ὁ He Who οὖν Therefore ἐπιχορηγῶν Supplies ὑμῖν To You τὸ The πνεῦμα Spirit, καὶ And ἐνεργῶν Works δυνάμεις Works Of Power ἐν IN ὑμῖν You, 'Is It' ἐξ By ἔργων Works νόμου Of Law ἢ Or ἐξ By ἀκοῆς hearing πίστεως Of Faith?

If we are truly crucified with Christ, we will strive to reject sin in all its forms. We are able to do this when we obey the Holy Spirit's promptings to flee from all temptations to sin. James 4:7

 

[FredVB]

People who claim to be Christians today should obey all of Jesus' teaching. He taught his apostles to assemble his people together to worship God on Sunday. Christians have been worshiping God on Sunday every Sunday since the Sunday of Jesus' resurrection. This is 2000 years of unbroken obedience to Jesus' command. Sunday is the Christian's formal worship and rest day.

An early church writing explains why the early Christians worshiped God on Sunday. They did this because Jesus personally taught his apostles to do this.

Justin Martyr Explains the Sunday Worship Practices of the Early Christians​

Justin Martyr FIRST APOLOGY, circa 153-155 A.D., CHAPTER LXVII -- WEEKLY WORSHIP OF THE CHRISTIANS.

And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things,


The Bible does not include all of Jesus' teachings and practices. The authors of the Scriptures never intended for their Scriptures to contain all of them. John 21:25

Jesus commanded his Church's leaders to preach his gospel in person. He never commanded them to write a book. His Church's leaders wrote their Scriptures to use as a tool to help explain their oral teachings. Mark 3:14

The apostles expected their church members to obey both their oral and written commands. 2 Thessalonians 2:15, 2 Thessalonians 3:6

Scripture is not sufficient in itself to explain the gospel of Jesus Christ. Christ's church is the pillar and foundation of the truth of Jesus' gospel. 1 Timothy 3:15


The SDA's dogma of "Scripture alone" is not biblical. James 3:1

Where in scriptures do you get that Jesus taught his apostles to assemble his people to worship on Sunday? I have never seen that, anywhere.

 

[Hentenza]

Where in scriptures do you get that Jesus taught his apostles to assemble his people to worship on Sunday? I have never seen that, anywhere.

“On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20‬:‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downloa

On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

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Breaking bread is generally understood as having communion (see 1 Cor. 11). Paul then spoke until midnight. This was an early church service.

 

[Studyman]

“On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20‬:‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downloa

On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

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Breaking bread is generally understood as having communion (see 1 Cor. 11). Paul then spoke until midnight. This was an early church service.

Well just to be clear. I would bet that the Apostles ate every day, sometimes they broke bread together, sometimes not. Some days they counted money set aside for the work of the ministry, or baked bread and prepared food for the laborers. But that doesn't mean God's Sabbaths were no longer to be Holy to them, in my view.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

“On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20‬:‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Downloa

On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.

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Breaking bread is generally understood as having communion (see 1 Cor. 11). Paul then spoke until midnight. This was an early church service.

It was a Saturday night meeting as days start in evenings in Scripture.


Act 20:7 AndG1161 uponG1722 theG3588 firstG3391 day of theG3588 week,G4521 σάββατον

σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

The were gathered because they met every Sabbath preaching the word of God to Jews and Gentiles alike. Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4 they stayed after meeting for church (Saturday) to have a meal , which is breaking bread Acts 2:46 Saturday evening or the beginning of the first day of the week

And they state why they were meeting

Act 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Paul was leaving on another mission trip the next day (Sunday) so nothing about that day being holy, he was traveling. Only God can make a day holy, only God can sanctify a day and He did that to the seventh day. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11. He said all other days are for work and labors Exo20:9

This says nothing about making Sunday a new day of worship or meeting every Sunday for religious reasons. Its best not to add whats not there. We also need to remember Paul came after the covenant of Jesus who is God, was ratified at the Cross. Nothing can be changed to God's covenant. Paul was commissioned to spread the gospel, not change God's times and laws.

 

[Hentenza]

It was a Saturday night meeting as days start in evenings in Scripture.

That’s correct so it was the first day of the week not the first.

Act 20:7 AndG1161 uponG1722 theG3588 firstG3391 day of theG3588 week,G4521 σάββατον

σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

Not relevant to what I wrote. The first day is not a sabbath.

The were gathered because they met every Sabbath preaching the word of God to Jews and Gentiles alike. Acts 15:21 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 17:2 Acts 18:4

None if these verses are relevant to this discussion. Paul and the apostles would discuss the gospel to the Jews on the sabbath. In fact, Paul was a Pharisee before his conversion so he was very educated in the Jewish tradition. In addition, the temple was the main gathering of all if the Jewish community in the sabbath so the Christians faced community exclusion because of their faith. That was a big deal back then.

they stayed after meeting for church (Saturday) to have a meal , which is breaking bread Acts 2:46 Saturday evening or the beginning of the first day of the week

This is supposition. There is no evidence to prove this.

“Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭46‬-‭47‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 2:46-47 Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favor wit | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favor wit

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Christian here merely fellowshipped with each other after Pentecost and their numbers increased. This is not the same kind of gathering as in Acts 20.

And they state why they were meeting

Act 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

You are connecting these with no evidence. As I stated above the meeting in Acts 20 is different than just for fellowship.

Paul was leaving on another mission trip the next day (Sunday) so nothing about that day being holy, he was traveling.

You can’t have it both ways. Your argument here does not follow. Either the first day of the week started Saturday night which became the time of worship or it did not. Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath so the sabbath became what Jesus calls His rest. It no longer has the Jewish meaning and is no longer practiced as the Jews did.

Only God can make a day holy, only God can sanctify a day and He did that to the seventh day. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11. He said all other days are for work and labors Exo20:9

Jesus is God and He was given all power and domain by the Father. He can change anything as He wishes.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That’s correct so it was the first day of the week not the first.

It was in the evening on the first day of the week so after the Sabbath on Saturday evening after sunset

Not relevant to what I wrote. The first day is not a sabbath.

Its what its translated into. The first day is not the Sabbath, the seventh day is Exo20:10 it was Saturday evening

None if these verses are relevant to this discussion. Paul and the apostles would discuss the gospel to the Jews on the sabbath. In fact, Paul was a Pharisee before his conversion so he was very educated in the Jewish tradition. In addition, the temple was the main gathering of all if the Jewish community in the sabbath so the Christians faced community exclusion because of their faith. That was a big deal back then.

They are relevant because they were keeping every Sabbath, Jews and Gentiles, so the disciples were already gathered for church. They came together after because Paul was departing the next day Sunday for a mission trip and would be gone for awhile. It doesn't say anything about now every first day is church service in this Text or in all of Scripture. Man cannot sanctify anything, only God can. The Sabbath is the day He sanctified from the beginning of time Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11 and is a sign of His sanctification Eze20:12 it shows He is our Creator and re-Creator. Man can't sanctify anything, and if we do not have His sanctification and we receive it by placing our faith in Him and living by His words, not mans. Isa 66:17

This is supposition. There is no evidence to prove this.

It what the Scripture states

Act 20:7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

“Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭46‬-‭47‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Acts 2:46-47 Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favor wit | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favor wit

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Christian here merely fellowshipped with each other after Pentecost and their numbers increased. This is not the same kind of gathering as in Acts 20.

Nothing about day by day is every first day. Or because they broke bread daily that now every day is the new Sabbath, new day of worship. Acts 20:7 doesn't say anything about a change to the Sabbath or any new weekly meeting.. God already spoke His will Lev 23:3 lived by the example of Jesus Christ Luke4:16 who is God made flesh.

But it does tell us what breaking bread means

breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together

You are connecting these with no evidence. As I stated above the meeting in Acts 20 is different than just for fellowship.

Where does it say this? Where does it say they were there to change God's commandments. You would need God to do that.

You can’t have it both ways. Your argument here does not follow. Either the first day of the week started Saturday night which became the time of worship or it did not.

There is nothing in the entire Bible that says every first day is the time of worship. It doesn't say it in Acts 20:7 not something I said so not sure what you're referring to. Again God spoke His will in plain language Isa66:23

Jesus is the Lord of the sabbath so the sabbath became what Jesus calls His rest. It no longer has the Jewish meaning and is no longer practiced as the Jews did.

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath and the Lord of the Sabbath told us when , what and, who the Sabbath is for in His own Testimony both written and spoken Exo 20:8-11 Isa56:1-6 Isa58:13 Mark2:27. You will not find one Scripture by Jesus saying we no longer need to keep the Sabbath commandment. Jesus who is our example kept the Sabbath Luke4:16 and all of the commandments John15:10 and said its lawful to do well on the Sabbath, meaning its still Law and we can do things that are unlawful like profaning it, which is something He takes serious according to His testimony Eze20:13 Eze 22:26, Neh13:17 etc.

Jesus is God and He was given all power and domain by the Father. He can change anything as He wishes.

And He promised He would not. Psa 89:34 Mat5:18

Why the Sabbath continues Isa66:23 just like from Creation according to God's perfect plan Exo20:11 God changes not. Mal3:6 Man changes, not God. We were even warned about what man would do about God's times and laws being changed based not on God's authority Dan7:25. Why no one can find Sunday sanctification in all of the Bible. Its not a commandment of God, its a man-made tradition that sadly leads people away from what God of the Bible sanctified and is one of His personally written and spoken commandments and Testimony Exo20:8-11 Exo31:18.

To change a covenant, you need blood. Jesus died once and for all, He would have to die again to change His covenant. Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath would be kept decades later by His faithful after the Cross Mat24:20.

We need to be careful with Paul's writing to make sure one is not trying to make Paul's teachings against Jesus who is God made flesh. Its why I believe we have this warning 2Peter 3:16

 

[Hentenza]

It was in the evening on the first day of the week so after the Sabbath on Saturday evening after sunset

Right which makes it the first day not the seventh.

It’s what it’s translated into. The first day is not the Sabbath, the seventh day is Exo20:10 it was Saturday evening

Sabbaton can also mean week not just Saturday. And since the verse explicitly mentions the first day not the seventh day the correct translation should be week, hence the first day of the week.


Strong’s Definitions
σάββατον sábbaton, sab'-bat-on; of Hebrew origin (H7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:—sabbath (day), week.

They are relevant because they were keeping every Sabbath, Jews and Gentiles, so the disciples were already gathered for church.

It is not relevant. Paul did not keep the sabbath to meet with the disciples but to spread the word among the Jews at the temple. The disciples gathered later to break bread and worship Christ including having teaching sessions as Paul did in Acts 20.

They came together after because Paul was departing the next day Sunday for a mission trip and would be gone for awhile. It doesn't say anything about now every first day is church service in this Text or in all of Scripture.

Almost. Acts 20 is the first example of a Christian service in scripture. Further services would have celebrated the resurrection of Jesus which was on the first day of the week. In addition the collections of money and donations was done on every first day suggesting that they gathered to worship and to give.

“On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save as he may prosper, so that no collections need to be made when I come.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭16‬:‭2‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save as he may prosper, so that no collections need to be made when I come. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save as he may prosper, so that no collections need to be made when I come.

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In addition to the evidence of scripture there is also evidence that the church gathered on Sunday in the early second century works of Ignatius of Antioch and Justin Martyr.

Man cannot sanctify anything, only God can.

Jesus is God. He can sanctify as He pleases.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Right which makes it the first day not the seventh.

Yes, Already stated. It was Saturday night.

Sabbaton can also mean week not just Saturday. And since the verse explicitly mentions the first day not the seventh day the correct translation should be week, hence the first day of the week.


Strong’s Definitions
σάββατον sábbaton, sab'-bat-on; of Hebrew origin (H7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:—sabbath (day), week.

The seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10 - the meeting was held Saturday evening.

It is not relevant. Paul did not keep the sabbath to meet with the disciples but to spread the word among the Jews at the temple. The disciples gathered later to break bread and worship Christ including having teaching sessions as Paul did in Acts 20.

Nothing that is stated in the Text other than breaking bread which means eating. We should worship God 365 24/7 but Jesus relates true and false worship to who we obey. Mat15:3-14 Rev 14:12 The Sabbath is a commandment of God, sanctified by God Himself. All other days are for work and labor Exo20:9

Almost. Acts 20 is the first example of a Christian service in scripture.

Exo20:11Mark2:27 Lev23:3 and there is nothing about eating a meal on a Saturday night about a weekly Christian service. So if this is your example, despite the Text not saying anything as such, then by this reasoning, church would be late every Saturday evening. Sunday Paul was traveling out of town. We do not need speculation when we have such clear words that proceeded out of the mouth of God we are told to live by, regarding God's Sabbath- the holy day of the Lord Isa58:13. Paul never came to change God's times and laws. Thats what we are warned about Dan7:25

SoFurther services would have celebrated the resurrection of Jesus which was on the first day of the week. In addition the collections of money and donations was done on every first day suggesting that they gathered to worship and to give.

We do not need suggestions when we have God's clear written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 Exo 20:8-11. Jesus never said after His faithful disciples who kept the Sabbath, when He revealed Himself first to them that anything changed with God's commandments. We would need a verse to make this claim and no Scripture says this. God promised He would not alter the words of His covenant Psa89:34 because it is God’s Testimony Exo31:18 if we don’t believe His Testimony, frankly not sure the purpose of the Bible

“On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save as he may prosper, so that no collections need to be made when I come.”
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1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save as he may prosper, so that no collections need to be made when I come. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save as he may prosper, so that no collections need to be made when I come.

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It doesn't say every in the original Greek

1Co 16:2 Upon the firstG2596 G3391 day of the weekG4521 let every oneG1538 of youG5216 layG5087 byG3844 himG1438 in store,G2343 asG3748 G302 God hath prosperedG2137 him, thatG2443 there beG1096 noG3361 gatheringsG3048 when(G3752) I come.G2064

notice it says there will be NO GATHERINGS when he comes for the collection.

It was not a collection for church and the Text does not say anything about it being a new day of worship of sanctifying a new day.

The diciples did things on many different days, it doesn't mean one of God’s commandments was changed.

In addition to the evidence of scripture there is also evidence that the church gathered on Sunday in the early second century works of Ignatius of Antioch and Justin Martyr.

Yes, one has to go outside the Holy Word of God for Sunday sanctification just as we were warned Acts 20:9 Dan7:25

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Jesus is God. He can sanctify as He pleases.

Agree and He tells us how He sanctifies and the Sabbath is the sign of His sanctification thus saith the Lord Eze20:12 because man regardless how hard we try we can't do this ourselves or santify a day Isa66:17 we all need God. According to what Jesus taught, not to follow popular teachings/traditions of man over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments written by God. Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13

Sadly there are a lot of thus saith the Lords that seem to be set aside. From my understanding of Scripture our lives need to live according to what proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat4:4 not around what the popular man does.

 

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The seventh day is the Sabbath Exo 20:10 - the meeting was held Saturday evening.

Which is the first day not the seventh day.

Nothing that is stated in the Text other than breaking bread which means eating.

In this context it means communion just as Jesus stated in 1 Cor. 11.

Exo20:11Mark2:27 Lev23:3 and there is nothing about eating a meal on a Saturday night about a weekly Christian service.

Sure there is. Verses have been posted already.

It doesn't say every in the original Greek

1Co 16:2 Upon the firstG2596 G3391 day of the weekG4521 let every oneG1538 of youG5216 layG5087 byG3844 himG1438 in store,G2343 asG3748 G302 God hath prosperedG2137 him, thatG2443 there beG1096 noG3361 gatheringsG3048 when(G3752) I come.G2064

Several translations included “every” as part of the translation and am sure they know more than an amateur theologian like you. Secondly, “every” would be obvious since Paul’s exhortation meant exactly that. This was not an exhortation for one time but for many.

notice it says there will be NO GATHERINGS when he comes for the collection.

A gathering is where giving was done. Even in the Jewish services tithing was done at the service.

Yes, one has to go outside the Holy Word of God for Sunday sanctification just as we were warned Acts 20:9 Dan7:25

There was no Bible yet when they wrote. There was a collection of many different books circulation among the churches. Just as God used people to recognize and develop the cannon, God also used people to tell the Christian story then. I have no problem using the ECF to help with historical testimony and data.

 

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There was no Bible yet when they wrote. There was a collection of many different books circulation among the churches. Just as God used people to recognize and develop the cannon, God also used people to tell the Christian story then. I have no problem using the ECF to help with historical testimony and data.

I'm not sure what you are referring to regarding there was no Bible, the Scriptures are the Bible, but I am going to leave this with the words of Jesus.

John 5:39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

Jesus never taught us to go outside of Scripture for our doctrine, In fact there is a clear warning about doing so

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there[a] is no light in them.

The whole Bible is about the Testimony of God through His apostles and prophets. Yet when it comes to God's own Testimony, the Ten Commandments Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13 written by God spoken by God, kept by Jesus who is God, many don't believe. Instead they put all their faith in things that is not in the Text and what people wrote outside of God's word, when we were warned clearly what would happen after the apostles

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
2 Tim4: 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

The apostles never rebelled against God. They were commissioned to spread the gospel not change the law and testimony of God. God promised not to alter His covenant Psa89:34 not a jot or tittle Mat 5:18 because no one is above God. Its the blood of Jesus that ratified His covenant, nothing can be added. How does one profess faith in Him, but not what He says to do. In my opinion faith is all about hearing, believing and doing, what God says, no one else.

Guess this will all get sorted out in God's time. But our decisions when Jesus comes will be sealed Rev22:11

 

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I'm not sure what you are referring to regarding there was no Bible, but I am going to leave this with the words of Jesus.

Do you know when the Bible was chosen and compiled? The books were written in the first century but were not put together and chosen as the canon that we know as the Bible today until the Councils of Rome (382 AD), Hippo (393 AD), and Carthage (397 AD) which formally recognized the 27 books of the New Testament. The 39 books of the OT merely came from the Jewish canon. So until then there was no compiled Bible but only the books circulating the churches.