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Hi LGW,,,I had something to talk to you about but can't find you now. Let me know when your back sister?
God bless
You're head is always together!Waa hey Sis, well this is a nice surprise. Great to see you again. I just woke up my time so may need a little more time to get my head together. I was going to talk to you about something a while back but at the moment I am not sure what it was so may need to get back to you. So happy you are back now and hope God is blessing you and looking after you.
God bless
You're head is always together!
All is normal here in sunny Italy.
And,,,,let's see,,,,what could you have wanted to talk about?
Could it be......The Sabbath!!
LOL
When you think of it,,, I'll be here.Maybe or maybe not I really did forget. You already are a big girl sis and know about God's WORD and the Sabbath and God promises to be your guide and teacher *JOHN 14:26 as you seek him through His WORD *MATTHEW 6:33, so you do not need me for that. Glad you are well and so nice to hear from you again.
Arr no worries even if I don't think abouts it I will alway say hi and see how your doingWhen you think of it,,, I'll be here.
See you around big brother.
All of which brings to mind the question "If the ten commandments are Exodus 20, then why did Moses write the two other versions?"
1. Moses did not "Chisel three sets of stone"All of which brings to mind the question "If the ten commandments are Exodus 20, then why did Moses write the two other versions?"
Hi LGW,,,
I got banned for as month,,,,I don't even really understand why,,,but no matter.
IF you can remember what you wanted to say,,,,I'm here now.
Just dropping by to say hello.
If you forgot, no problem...it'll come back to you eventually.
God bless you
GG
stay out of covid-19 territory while you are there.You're head is always together!
All is normal here in sunny Italy.
And,,,,let's see,,,,what could you have wanted to talk about?
Could it be......The Sabbath!!
LOL
Well, apologetics and theology are what I like.been there done that... be careful about "which" of these forums you post on. This one on Sabbath vs the LAW and the General Theology forum - are pretty safe .. in general.
I live in a valley in No. Tuscany -- mountain area.stay out of covid-19 territory while you are there.
I live in a valley in No. Tuscany -- mountain area.
We're pretty good here, but there were 15 cases and at least 3 deaths that I know of.
We're all tired of having to stay home and not being able to leave our county of residence.
I'm hoping for freedom on May 3rd....but nothing will really change till there's a cure or a vaccine.
You do the same.
NYC - my town - is a mess.
Hi LGW....Hi Jack for me I do not see any contradictions here in EXODUS and DEUTERONOMY. EXODUS 20:1-17 was written and spoken by God, directly to ISRAEL while DUETERONOMY 5 is MOSES speaking to ISRAEL who have all just come out of the land of Egypt. Also, I do not think any of the scholars are in consensus on the dates these books were written. They are only estimates at best.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts though.
Agreed.Yeah - NYC is a problem alright I pray for those guys.
I live in the south in the U.S. and we have about the same situation in our county as you do -- around 15/3 so God has blessed us. There are some rumors that asymptomatic people may be much higher than at first supposed to the lethal rate of this virus may be way lower than has been assumed so far.
Well, apologetics and theology are what I like.
Thanks.
I don't post as much as I used to.Good to know - I hear that. what are your favorite subjects?
For example - I just started a topic on the Love of God and the gospel.
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I'm on another forum right now and I'm defending the Sabbath! I'm not even totally convinced yet, but I'm starting to be annoyed by those that believe we MUST worship on Sunday and argue with those that do not.
The above is truly impressive.Here are some great quotes:
The Catholic Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, pg. 111, said, "You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (The Roman Catholic Church) never sanctify.
The Catholic Mirror (a publication by Cardinal Gibbons) Sept. 2, 1893- "...the Redeemer, during His mortal life, never kept any other day than Saturday."
The Catholic Mirror Sept. 9, 1893- "Nor can we imagine any one foolhardy enough to question the identity of Saturday with the Sabbath or seventh day, seeing that the people of Israel have been keeping the Saturday from the giving of the Law, A.M., 2514 to A.D. 1893 (to the present day)..."
The Catholic Mirror Sept.9, 1893- "We deem it necessary to be perfectly clear on this point....The Bible- the Old Testament- confirmed by the living tradition of weekly practice for 3383 years by the chosen people of God, teaches, then, with absolute certainty, that God had, Himself, named the day "to be kept holy to Him"- that the day was Saturday, and that any violation of that command was punishable with death."
Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Converts Catechism of Catholic Doctrine Third Edition"1). Question: Which is the Sabbath day? "Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. 2). "Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?"Answer. "We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea, transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday."
Martin J. Scott- Things Catholics Are Asked About (1927) "Nowhere in the Bible is it stated that worship should be changed from Saturday to Sunday .... Now the Church ... instituted, by God's authority, Sunday as the day of worship. This same Church, by the same divine authority, taught the doctrine of Purgatory long before the Bible was made. We have, therefore, the same authority for Purgatory as we have for Sunday."
John Laux- A Course in Religion for Catholic High Schools and Academies (1 936) "Some theologians have held that God likewise directly determined the Sunday as the day of worship in the New Law, that He Himself has explicitly substituted the Sunday for the Sabbath. But this theory is now entirely abandoned. It is now commonly held that God simply gave His Church the power to set aside whatever day or days she would deem suitable as Holy Days. The Church chose Sunday, the first day of the week, and in the course of time added other days as holy days."
Peter R. Kraemer- Catholic Church Extension Society (1975), Chicago, Illinois. "Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man."2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws. "It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."
Anglican- Isaac Williams- Plain Sermons on the Catechism "And where are we told in the Scriptures that we are to keep the first day at all? We are commanded to keep the seventh; but we are nowhere commanded to keep the first day .... The reason why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because the Bible, but because the church has enjoined it."
Protestant- Canon Eyton,- The Ten Commandments "There is no word, no hint, in the New Testament about abstaining from work on Sunday .... into the rest of Sunday no divine law enters .... The observance of Ash Wednesday or Lent stands exactly on the same footing as the observance of Sunday."
Episcopal - 'The Bible commandment says on the seventh day thou shalt rest. That is Saturday. Nowhere in the Bible is it laid down that worship should be done on Sunday." Philip Carrington, Toronto Daily Star, October 26, 1949.
Baptist - Harold Lindsell, former editor of Christianity , said, 'There is nothing in Scripture that requires us to keep Sunday rather than Saturday as a holy day." Christianity Today, November 5, 1976.
Baptist Dr. Edward T. Hiscox,-a paper read before a New York ministers' conference, Nov. 13, 1893, reported in New York Examiner, Nov. 16, 1893. "There was and is a commandment to keep holy the Sabbath day, but that Sabbath day was not Sunday. It will be said, however, and with some show of triumph, that the Sabbath was transferred from the seventh to the first day of the week .... Where can the record of such a transaction be found? Not in the New Testament absolutely not. ......."To me it seems unaccountable that Jesus, during three years' intercourse with His disciples, often conversing with them upon the Sabbath question . . . never alluded to any transference of the day; also, that during forty days of His resurrection life, no such thing was intimated........ "Of course, I quite well know that Sunday did come into use in early Christian history . . . . But what a pity it comes branded with the mark of paganism, and christened with the name of the sun god, adopted and sanctioned by the papal apostasy, and bequeathed as a sacred legacy to Protestantism!"
William Owen Carver- The Lord's Day in Our Day "There was never any formal or authoritative change from the Jewish seventh-day Sabbath to the Christian first-day observance."
Dr. R. W. Dale(Congregationalist)- The Ten Commandments " . . . it is quite clear that however rigidly or devotedly we may spend Sunday, we are not keeping the Sabbath - - . . the Sabbath was founded on a specific Divine command. We can plead no such command for the obligation to observe Sunday .... There is not a single sentence in the New Testament to suggest that we incur any penalty by violating the supposed sanctity of Sunday."
Congregationalist Timothy Dwight- Theology: Explained and Defended (1823)- " . . . the Christian Sabbath [Sunday] is not in the Scriptures, and was not by the primitive Church called the Sabbath."
First Day Observance, pp. 17, 19."The first day of the week is commonly called the Sabbath. This is a mistake. The Sabbath of the Bible was the day just preceding the first day of the week. The first day of the week is never called the Sabbath anywhere in the entire Scriptures. It is also an error to talk about the change of the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. There is not in any place in the Bible any intimation of such a change."
"The Sunday Problem"- United Lutheran Church (1923), "We have seen how gradually the impression of the Jewish sabbath faded from the mind of the Christian Church, and how completely the newer thought underlying the observance of the first day took possession of the church. We have seen that the Christians of the first three centuries never confused one with the other, but for a time celebrated both."
Lutheran- Dr. Augustus Neander, The History of the Christian Religion and Church (1843)"The festival of Sunday, like all other festivals, was always only a human ordinance, and it was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a Divine command in this respect, far from them, and from the early apostolic Church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday."
John Theodore Mueller (a Lutheran) - Sabbath or Sunday- "But they err in teaching that Sunday has taken the place of the Old Testament Sabbath and therefore must be kept as the seventh day had to be kept by the children of Israel .... These churches err in their teaching, for Scripture has in no way ordained the first day of the week in place of the Sabbath. There is simply no law in the New Testament to that effect."
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