Appearance of Age and Evidence for Special Creation

[JonFromMinnesota]

http://creation.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue

Here is what the researcher on that project, Mary Schweitzer has to say:

"One thing that does bother me, though, is that young earth creationists take my research and use it for their own message, and I think they are misleading people about it. Pastors and evangelists, who are in a position of leadership, are doubly responsible for checking facts and getting things right, but they have misquoted me and misrepresented the data"

Will you still trust a source that has deliberately lied to you?

 

[StanJ]

Here is what the researcher on that project, Mary Schweitzer has to say:
"One thing that does bother me, though, is that young earth creationists take my research and use it for their own message, and I think they are misleading people about it. Pastors and evangelists, who are in a position of leadership, are doubly responsible for checking facts and getting things right, but they have misquoted me and misrepresented the data"
Will you still trust a source that has deliberately lied to you?

That's your assertion and interpolation of what she said, not factual.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's your assertion and interpolation of what she said, not factual.

That is incorrect. That was a quote from the article that I linked for you. Please note that both Schweitzer and the source that published that article are Christian sources.

 

[TLK Valentine]

A few basic assumptions required for your conclusion:
Old earth, related species, and junk DNA.

Alternate hypothesis: Humans and chimps share a common design
and creator. The fact that both species are so similar in both detail and
function should mean that their design, or DNA, should also be similar.
So should their mistakes, or mutations. Weak links, and all.

Conclusion: not only did the common creator make mistakes in the design, He persisted in making the same mistakes across multiple designs...

...I guess some people never learn.

 

[RickG]

And I can show you why evolution is a religion and a philosophy,
not a science. You will not believe it, because you don't want to
believe it, like most evolutionists.

Well then, please do. And keep in mind that you need to be specific with the discipline of science, not what you see on blogs and forums, the actual science. Please describe the deity that is worshiped. Do we provide sacrifices? Do we criticize other religions?

Edit: (added note) And just for the record, when you criticize the mainstream scientific community with baseless derogatory comments, I take it personally because scientific research was (retired) my profession. I have very little patience for goading.

 

[RickG]

That's your assertion and interpolation of what she said, not factual.

The statement was a direct quote by Mary Schweitzer herself. Here it is again. Read it. She is stating specifically that she has been misquoted and her data misrepresented.

"One thing that does bother me, though, is that young earth creationists take my research and use it for their own message, and I think they are misleading people about it. Pastors and evangelists, who are in a position of leadership, are doubly responsible for checking facts and getting things right, but they have misquoted me and misrepresented the data"

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I myself have read much of Dr. Schweitzer's published research, and it is quite different from what the creation science community describes.

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[Derek Meyer]

A few basic assumptions required for your conclusion:Old earth,...

An old earth is not an assumption.

 

[Loudmouth]

When God has presented a world full of evidence, and they don't see it...

What evidence?

Even you agree that all of the evidence is consistent with an old Earth.

The evidence is not visible with the spiritually naked eye.

Please present evidence that a spiritual eye even exists.

I never said I was God.

You say it every time you claim your words are the words of God.

 

[Loudmouth]

The matter is spiritual. Define spiritual evidence.

Spiritual evidence (definition): Stuff that ScottA on christianforums.com makes up.

 

[Loudmouth]

Mark 13:11

No mention of your name anywhere in the verse, nor any mention of christianforums.com.

 

[Loudmouth]

Don't try to interpret my trust in God...you're getting it all wrong.

No, I am not getting it wrong. You have to ignore all of the evidence found in the creation itself in order to hold on to your beliefs. If you can't trust the creation, you can't trust the Creator.

I am not ignoring anything.

You are ignoring all of the isotope data that demonstrates the ancient age of the Earth.

 

[Loudmouth]

Your definition is lacking...in order to be considered evidence, it should clear up any doubt.

And that is what we have. We have evidence beyond any reasonable doubt that establishes an ancient age for the Earth. In fact, the very title of this thread supports that conclusion. Even the creationists agree that all of the evidence is consistent with an ancient Earth.

 

[ScottA]

Absolute nonsense. How often does it have to be said that watertight proof is the preserve of mathematics? Anywhere else, the balance of probability is the best that can be hoped for.

True for those who live in the balance.

 

[Loudmouth]

True for those who live in the balance.

Can you name any evidence that is inconsistent with an Earth that is 4.5 billion years old?

 

[ScottA]

You are the one claiming that such a thing exists. You not only need to define it, you also need to defend it. That is quite a bit of work that you need to do.

On the contrary...I have led you to water, and if it is not enough, then you have walked in the desert merely for the journey.

 

[Loudmouth]

On the contrary...I have led you to water, and if it is not enough, then you have walked in the desert merely for the journey.

You have led us to nothing, as shown by you inability to show us anything.

 

[ScottA]

Thus far, you've failed.



I don't. Say something meaningful, and I'll prove it.

The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Prove it then.

 

[Loudmouth]

The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Prove it then.

We have proven beyond any doubt that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Prove it then.

Mark 14:38. I guess I should've specified something meaningful and relevant to the discussion.

 

[TLK Valentine]

We have proven beyond any doubt that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

In all fairness, we've proven beyond any reasonable doubt... which only matters when dealing with people who place value on reason.