Appearance of Age and Evidence for Special Creation

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It's no secret that Christians believe in the doctrine of special creation. This is the idea that our world is not eternal but was created by God some time ago.

Furthermore, many of us who hold to a straight forward interpretation of Genesis 1-11 would conclude that God created the world in a mature state. This would be to suggest that the world could be much younger than it looks. Without presupposing special creation it would appear that the stars in the sky have been there for millions and billions of years, that the earth itself is billions of years old, that all life originated from non-life and evolved over a long period of time, etc... But if we suppose special creation then we would have to admit that God created the world in a mature state appearing older than it actually is.

This wouldn't be totally without Scriptural warrant. Adam was created by God as a fully mature man. The wine that Jesus made at Cana by all accounts appeared well aged.

But non-Christian types find this explanation implausible. Furthermore, they claim that they have arrived at their positions through a cool examination of scientific evidence without any presuppositions about God or creation. The evidence has led them to conclude that the universe is old, so is the earth, and life evolved. If the evidence pointed toward special creation then perhaps they would tend toward that view. But it doesn't, so say them.

I contend that there is no conceivable way in which God could have created without the appearance of age. Not to put restrictions on God, but I can't imagine how, if special creation is true, God could have created an immature world without the appearance of age. So here's my question:

Imagine a world in which special creation were true. What would the evidence for special creation look like as opposed to what we find in our world?
 

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It's no secret that Christians believe in the doctrine of special creation.

Really? In Europe about 3% of Christians would believe that. Drop the word "special", and you might have the other 97% on board.
 
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A straight forward interpretation that requires a special revelation is kind of an oxymoron.

"Special revelation" is the reformed designation for Scripture. We believe that God has spoken both generally and specially. His general revelation is found in nature and his special revelation is found in Scripture. Sorry for the jargon. Special revelation = Scripture.
 
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Kinda hard to accuse Him when He put in writing what He did, where He did it, when He did it, how He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were ... isn't it?
 
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It would indeed be deceptive unless God clarified through some other means. According to us he has done this very thing through special revelation.

Can you give me a plausible reason why God would want to make the universe look billions of years old when it is only 6,000 years old? No, thought not. You are supposed to be trained in philosophy, as I recall, so you should know what special pleading is.
 
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Can you give me a plausible reason why God would want to make the universe look billions of years old when it is only 6,000 years old?

One reason could be that God desired to create a fully mature world. It would be the same reason that God wanted to create Adam as a full grown man or Jesus wanted to make the wine at Cana the best, fully aged wine.

Could you imagine a scenario of special creation in which the world did not appear mature?
 
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Can you give me a plausible reason why God would want to make the universe look billions of years old when it is only 6,000 years old?
God created the universe with age ...

2 Peter 3:5a For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old,

... for reasons known to Him.

I suspect it has something to do with the reverse of this principle ...

Mark 2:22a And no man putteth new wine into old bottles:
 
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One reason could be that God desired to create a fully mature world. It would be the same reason that God wanted to create Adam as a full grown man or Jesus wanted to make the wine at Cana the best, fully aged wine.

Could you imagine a scenario of special creation in which the world did not appear mature?
Indeed.

God created the universe mature, but without a history.

As Adam Clarke put it:
It appears that God created every thing, not only perfect as it respects its nature, but also in a state of maturity, so that every vegetable production appeared at once in full growth; and this was necessary that man, when he came into being, might find every thing ready for his use.

Maturity without history.

That's the way it was done.
 
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Could you imagine a scenario of special creation in which the world did not appear mature?

Quite easily. For example, if God does not want to deceive us, and the Earth is really only 6,000 years old, he could avoid adjusting the relative amounts of uranium and lead in zircon crystals, so as to give the appearance that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old.
 
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Quite easily. For example, if God does not want to deceive us, and the Earth is really only 6,000 years old, he could avoid adjusting the relative amounts of uranium and lead in zircon crystals, so as to give the appearance that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old.

What would a proper, 6000 year old crystal look like? And how does it differ from what a 4.6 billion year old crystal?
 
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Quite easily. For example, if God does not want to deceive us, and the Earth is really only 6,000 years old, he could avoid adjusting the relative amounts of uranium and lead in zircon crystals, so as to give the appearance that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old.
So had He created the earth young, then we would be giving wood rings ... not diamond rings ... to our fiancées?
 
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What would a proper, 6000 year old crystal look like? And how does it differ from what a 4.6 billion year old crystal?

A 6,000 year old zircon crystal would contain almost no lead.
 
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Imagine a world in which special creation were true. What would the evidence for special creation look like as opposed to what we find in our world?

Keep in mind the world wide flood of Noah's time would have ruined this evidence you're looking for.

Of course they do find soft dino tissue in fossils buried by the flood.
They do find dino and human tracks together.
They do find C14 in diamonds and coal.
They do find helium in zircon crystals.
 
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Keep in mind the world wide flood of Noah's time would have ruined this evidence you're looking for.

Of course they do find soft dino tissue in fossils buried by the flood.
They do find dino and human tracks together.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paluxy_River#Paluxy_trackways


They do find C14 in diamonds and coal.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/c14.html


They do find helium in zircon crystals.

http://www.oldearth.org/RATE_critique_he-zr.htm
 
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