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What is your problem. If you are supposed to be "better" than us, why are you acting unchristian like and hating on our church. You don't see us parading around hating on yours.
Sweetie, you haven't been around these threads long enough then if you say that. Trust me..there is just as much bashing the other way too. Certain threads seem to get ugly and bring out the worst. I am sure that OFF the computer, where some think they are only talking to a screen and not a real person on the other side of it...we could all be friends and get along. Maybe not...I know I wouldn't have a problem with most of the people here. There are ONLY 2 that I would not fellowship with...not bad...since some others bring out the 'ugly' in me...
 
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you are really amazing. Throw out insults...nice. Very becoming....

People that are RCC have Christ, because the Church has Christ. They do not have Christ in spite of the Church.

Your previous comment is nothing more then dividing the Body of Christ.

Peace
 
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Peace...yes, we have COMMUNION. What is your point? See....the communion that Jesus taught does NOT exclude ANY believer. Sorry to say, YOUR denomination does...I went to Mass with my mother. I was told NOT to go up for it...as I was not of the faith. NOW...can you show me IN THE BIBLE where JESUS taught that?? He didn't say, only take if you are Catholic. SO..sorry..yeah there are some issues there.

IF you do not belive that the Eucharist is the soul, body and divinity of Christ then you are not part of the faith.
It's really that simple.
Peace
 
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funny..my church has Eucharist too...and it is all about Jesus too! Amazing isn't it??
You know as well as I do it is not the same. Yours is symbolic. Mine is not whether you believe it or not. If you understood it to be the True Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ then you may understand how I feel regarding it.
 
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IF you do not belive that the Eucharist is the soul, body and divinity of Christ then you are not part of the faith.
It's really that simple.
Peace
Yes. And being in contradiction to important teachings does not bring on Communion the way Jesus wanted it.
 
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They teach it and swear it is ok to follow and believe them, but if you like you can pretend that they do not exist, cute.:scratch:

I know that this has been explained numerous times specifically to you.

Let me make an anolgy. Do cars exist. Yes they obviously do. Is it a requirement of the US gov to learn how to drive? The anwers is no.

Peace
 
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That is some fruit, they say Jesus is Lord, but they also say Mary is Lord right along side of Him. Giver of all Grace, Immaculately Conceived, pray a rosary that happens to end with Mary being exalted like Christ, pray more to Mary cause she has blessings that noone asks for....and on and on.
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So you think that is going to make a believer in Jesus, by believing you don't have to talk to God at all, but do everything through Mary?
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Rhameil....in all your ramblings about these apparitions...not once have you said, they led ANYone to the LORD JESUS....but to your 'church'. NOW do you see what I meant?? Yes, some RCC's are Christians...but it isn't about 'church'...it is about JESUS. Get it now?

The Church is Christs' so if you have one you have the other. This is why we obey the Church because her doctrines are from Christ, carried through time by the Holy Spirit.

:) If we had no faith in this, then it might not make sense, but this is what has always been held.

'Saul Saul, why do you persecute ME?'
He did Not say... the Christians, and did not say the Church, but Christ said 'ME' [Which makes it personal, it makes it Him]....We take that seriously as it is a direct question about Christ Himself through His Church.

Um...sweetie, 99.9% of the time, I am and do. It is here in certain threads...that .1% comes out...and hey..sorry. I am not letting 'certain' people get to me and make me leave. I have many wonderful friends here, and for the most part, the fellowship is great.

Peace...yes, we have COMMUNION. What is your point? See....the communion that Jesus taught does NOT exclude ANY believer. Sorry to say, YOUR denomination does...I went to Mass with my mother. I was told NOT to go up for it...as I was not of the faith. NOW...can you show me IN THE BIBLE where JESUS taught that?? He didn't say, only take if you are Catholic. SO..sorry..yeah there are some issues there.
[bible]1 Corinthians 11:27-29[/bible]

Those who are not Catholic do not discern the Eucharist as His Holy Body and Blood and profess our faith, so you cannot receive, lest we inadvertently allow you this tragic judgement upon yourself.

IT is a rule of the Church and always has been.

I do not demand any other religion allow me theirs, so it is by respect, we ask others to abstain from ours as well. It is our RIGHT.
 
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I keep throwing it out in hopes that it will stick in the minds and hearts of people and they stop with the attacks.

Peace

I understand. But 'peace' should first stick in the mind and heart of the person who's doing the throwing. :)

You know.. the whole 'let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me' ..kind of thing. ^_^

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Um...sweetie, 99.9% of the time, I am and do. It is here in certain threads...that .1% comes out...and hey..sorry. I am not letting 'certain' people get to me and make me leave. I have many wonderful friends here, and for the most part, the fellowship is great.

Peace...yes, we have COMMUNION. What is your point? See....the communion that Jesus taught does NOT exclude ANY believer. Sorry to say, YOUR denomination does...I went to Mass with my mother. I was told NOT to go up for it...as I was not of the faith. NOW...can you show me IN THE BIBLE where JESUS taught that?? He didn't say, only take if you are Catholic. SO..sorry..yeah there are some issues there.
We don't "just" go by the bible. We go by tradition as well. Part of the reason non catholics cannot recieve communion is because we believe that you must go to confession to confess your sins. If you don't go and have mortal sin on your soul (A sin that you know is wrong and do it anyways) And you recieve communion it's like crucifying him all over again. Not everything is in your bible either. There are 7 books that are taken out of yours...
 
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Sweetie, you haven't been around these threads long enough then if you say that. Trust me..there is just as much bashing the other way too. Certain threads seem to get ugly and bring out the worst. I am sure that OFF the computer, where some think they are only talking to a screen and not a real person on the other side of it...we could all be friends and get along. Maybe not...I know I wouldn't have a problem with most of the people here. There are ONLY 2 that I would not fellowship with...not bad...since some others bring out the 'ugly' in me...
It's really irritating because everyone gets so offensive. It's not like protestants (maybe some) but its not like you all just go "hmmm thats interesting why do you believe that?" It's "thats horrible, thats wrong, why in the world would you do something like that!!!!" I have alot of protestant friends and we've had many conversations asking why we do what we do. We've never got into some arguement though. My irritation is simply most people hate on what they don't understand. To me thats just stupid because thats like telling someone you hate them and when they ask why you say because I just do.....it's rediculous. So while I'm not picking on you spicifically. I'm just irritatated at this whole catholic-protestant mess thats been going on for ages. I really don't think how long I've been here has anything to do with my opinion either...
 
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But see...I don't have 'sin' on my soul when I take communion, because..the Bible says to EXAMINE YOURSELF..and confess your sins to 'Who'?? God. I do that EACH and every time. No, I don't go running up and talking to a priest...but know what? God hears MY prayer for forgiveness to...so sorry sweetie..I am not taking it 'unworthily' as you would like me to believe.
 
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But see...I don't have 'sin' on my soul when I take communion, because..the Bible says to EXAMINE YOURSELF..and confess your sins to 'Who'?? God. I do that EACH and every time. No, I don't go running up and talking to a priest...but know what? God hears MY prayer for forgiveness to...so sorry sweetie..I am not taking it 'unworthily' as you would like me to believe.
You're not being respectful to our rules if you take Communion at our Mass. That is NOT right at all.

Yes you do need the Sacrement of Confession with a Priest to actually remove your sins therefor your soul still has sin on it no matter what you believe. God gave us a way to do this through His Priests so it's very important we listen to Him on this. You also doubt the Holy Eucharist to be what we say it is so again, that is taking His Body unworthily.

You need to be in ' Full Communion' with His Church totally to recieve the Body and Blood worthily. You are not.
 
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The Church is Christs' so if you have one you have the other.
That thought didn't work to well for some.


[FONT=&quot]"Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is Mount Zion, . . . the city of the great King." Psalm 48:2

"For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation." Ps 132:13

"This is the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD!" Jeremiah 7:4

"We have Abraham to our father." Matthew 3:9

"They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man," "They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father" John 8:33,39

Jews in Jesus' day were proud of who they thought they were. They were the "one and only." They were "original." They had their traditions, oral and written.+[/FONT]
 
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You're not being respectful to our rules if you take Communion at our Mass. That is NOT right at all.

Yes you do need the Sacrement of Confession with a Priest to actually remove your sins therefor your soul still has sin on it no matter what you believe. God gave us a way to do this through His Priests so it's very important we listen to Him on this. You also doubt the Holy Eucharist to be what we say it is so again, that is taking His Body unworthily.

You need to be in ' Full Communion' with His Church totally to recieve the Body and Blood worthily. You are not.
In case Melody was wondering, he measn you can't take it in his church, you know (I am guessing) you can take it at any protestant church.
Also, taking communion in a Catholic church is a public statement that you are in agreement with all their beliefs.
 
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In case Melody was wondering, he measn you can't take it in his church, you know (I am guessing) you can take it at any protestant church.
Also, taking communion in a Catholic church is a public statement that you are in agreement with all their beliefs.
all well and good, but I still find that against what Scripture REALLY teaches. BUT that is MY opinion, and I won't shove it on anyone else.
 
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But see...I don't have 'sin' on my soul when I take communion, because..the Bible says to EXAMINE YOURSELF..and confess your sins to 'Who'?? God. I do that EACH and every time. No, I don't go running up and talking to a priest...but know what? God hears MY prayer for forgiveness to...so sorry sweetie..I am not taking it 'unworthily' as you would like me to believe.
When we go to confession our priest takes the place of God. Now I am not at all saying that he IS God he doesn't replace him either. He mearly has the ability to forgive our sins in the confessional. What most people don't understand is that you can say your sorry all you want but that doesn't mean your sins are truely forgiven
now this may be long but it's something I suggest you read.



Jesus entered this world to forgive sins. Recall the words of our Lord: "God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whoever believes in Him may not die but may have eternal life." (Jn 3:16) During His public ministry, Jesus preached about the forgiveness of sins: remember the parables of the Prodigal Son (Lk 15:11ff) or the Lost Sheep (Lk 15:1ff), and His teaching that "There will likewise be more joy in heaven over one repentant sinner than over 96 righteous people who have no need to repent." (Lk 15:7) Jesus Himself forgave sins: remember the story of the woman caught in adultery (Jn 8:1ff) or the woman who washed His feet with her tears. (Lk 7:36ff) He also taught us to pray for forgiveness in the "Our Father:" "Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." His mission of reconciliation would climax in His passion, death and resurrection: Jesus suffered, died and rose to free us from sin and death.
However, Jesus never trivialized sin or rationalized it. No, for Jesus, sin is sin, a violation of love against God and neighbor.
However, in His divine mercy, Jesus called the sinner to realize the sin, to repent of it, and to be reconciled with God and neighbor.
Jesus wanted this ministry of reconciliation to continue. On the first Easter Sunday evening, Jesus appeared to His Apostles, "breathed on them," and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive men's sins, they are forgiven them; if you hold them bound, they are held bound." (Jn 20:21-23) Only twice in Sacred Scripture do we find God breathing into human beings. First, in the Genesis account of creation, God breathes the life of a soul into the man He has created. (Gen 2:7) Now, Jesus, the Son, breathes His life into His Apostles His priests, so that through them He will "breathe" life into the souls of contrite sinners. In this scene, Christ instituted the sacrament of penance and made His Apostles the ministers of it.
At the ascension, Jesus again charged His Apostles with this ministry: "Thus it is written that the Messiah must suffer and rise from the dead on the third day. In His name penance for the remission of sins is to be preached to all the nations, beginning at Jerusalem. You are witnesses of this. (Lk 24:46ff) Clearly, Jesus came to forgive sins, He wanted that reconciliation to continue and He gave the Church a sacrament through which priests would continue to act as the ministers of this reconciliation.
Perhaps many Protestants do not see the need for confession because most Protestant denominations do not have sacraments or at least the understanding of sacraments as efficacious signs through which the Lord gives us grace. (However, traditional or "high" Episcopalians have confessions. The Lutherans also have a ritual for reconciliation.)
Nevertheless, we see this ministry of reconciliation lived out in the early Church. St. Paul wrote, "God has reconciled us to Himself through Christ and has given us the ministry of reconciliation." (2 Cor 5:18) The Didache (or Teachings of the Twelve Apostles), written about 80 AD, stated, "In the congregation you shall confess your transgressions" and "On the Lord's Day, come together and break bread...having confessed your transgressions that your sacrifice may be pure." St. Cyprian in his <De lapsis> concerning the reconciliation of Christians who had succumbed to offering pagan worship rather than face martyrdom, wrote, "Let each confess his sin while he is still in this world, while his confession can be received, while satisfaction and the forgiveness granted by the priests is acceptable to God." At this time of persecution, when local "parishes" were small, individuals publicly confessed their sins at the beginning of Mass (as mentioned in the Didache) and received absolution from the bishop or priest.
After the legalization of the Church by Constantine, the Church fathers continued to emphasize the importance of confession. St. Ambrose wrote, "It seemed impossible that sins should be forgiven through penance; Christ granted this power to the Apostles and from the Apostles it has been transmitted to the office of priests." (<De poenitentia>) Similarly, St. Athanasius asserted, "As the man whom the priest baptizes is enlightened by the grace of the Holy Ghost, so does he who in penance confesses his sins, receive through the priest forgiveness in virtue of the grace of Christ." (<Contra Novatus>) By the mid-400s and the pontificate of Leo I, private confession under the seal of secrecy becomes the norm to safeguard the reputation of the penitent and to attract others to the sacrament.
Therefore, we go to confession because it is a sacrament given to us by Christ, and it has always been a practice of the Church.
This sacrament is so important in our sharing in the life of Christ, the Church has even mandated its practice. To prevent laxity, the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 required that "every faithful of either sex who has reached the age of discretion should at least once a year faithfully confess all his sins to his own priest. He should strive as far as possible to fulfill the penance imposed on him, and with reverence receive at least during Easter time the sacrament of the Eucharist." This rule is still a precept of the Church. The Council of Trent in 1551 in its <Doctrine on the Sacrament of Penance> asserted that since mortal sin "kills" the life of God in our souls, these sins must be confessed and absolved through the sacrament of penance (a principle repeated by Pope John Paul II in <Veritatis Splendor>). Trent also said "it is right and profitable" to confess venial sins.
We could end the answer here. However, regular confession is a healthy spiritual practice. Each sincere Catholic needs to periodically&#8212;every month or two&#8212;do a good examination of conscience holding himself to the standard of Christ. Each person should reflect on how well he has lived a "Christ-like life" by following the commandments and the teachings of the Church.
 
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You're not being respectful to our rules if you take Communion at our Mass. That is NOT right at all.

Yes you do need the Sacrement of Confession with a Priest to actually remove your sins therefor your soul still has sin on it no matter what you believe. God gave us a way to do this through His Priests so it's very important we listen to Him on this. You also doubt the Holy Eucharist to be what we say it is so again, that is taking His Body unworthily.

You need to be in ' Full Communion' with His Church totally to recieve the Body and Blood worthily. You are not.
You say that one has to be catholic to partake of the body and blood.
But God says.

1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord's death till he come.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
 
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When we go to confession our priest takes the place of God. Now I am not at all saying that he IS God he doesn't replace him either. He mearly has the ability to forgive our sins in the confessional. What most people don't understand is that you can say your sorry all you want but that doesn't mean your sins are truely forgiven
now this may be long but it's something I suggest you read.
And that's what we call a middle man.

I go to the Lord Himself I don't use a middle man.
 
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