Apparitions of "Mary"

[Iollain]

Matthew 7:15-20
15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. 18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits

The apparitions of Mary, besides many healings have brought a growth in holiness, of conversions, of renewal of Christian faith and devotion to God. The fruits a re plain.

How else are we to tell whether something is of God or of Satan? Actually it is very simple.

1 Cor 12.3: You know when you were pagans somehow or other you were influenced by and led astray to mute idols. Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says "Jesus be cursed". and no one can say Jesus is Lord" except by the Holy Spirit."

The Apparitions of Mary proclaim Jesus as Lord, they urge repentance, obedience to God, and prayer. THIS PROVES TO ALL WITH EYES TO SEE that they CANNOT be from Satan.

As Jesus said Matthew 12:26. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?"

That is some fruit, they say Jesus is Lord, but they also say Mary is Lord right along side of Him. Giver of all Grace, Immaculately Conceived, pray a rosary that happens to end with Mary being exalted like Christ, pray more to Mary cause she has blessings that noone asks for....and on and on.

 

[Iollain]

Ya know I'm actually okay with tbis since Catholics are not required to belive in the Church approved Apparitions of Mary.

Peace

They teach it and swear it is ok to follow and believe them, but if you like you can pretend that they do not exist, cute.

 

[Petunia]

you are really amazing. Throw out insults...nice. Very becoming....

It tickled me.. because after he made the comment, he signed it with the word "peace".

 

[Rhamiel]

They teach it and swear it is ok to follow and believe them, but if you like you can pretend that they do not exist, cute.

It is called intellectual freedom, it is not Holy Scripture, it is not Scared Tradition, these visions fall into the category of privet revelation, some of them are ruled to be completely without merit, some are looked upon far more favorably, none of these visions are used to determine Dogma, the Catholic Church is lead by the Her Bishops and is guided by the Holy Ghost. If these visions cause more people to join the Church, then they are good, if not then they are bad, but God does not use visions as the main way to get information to His people, He uses His Church, which id the Body of Christ (read Saint Paul’s letters to the Corinthians) Christianity does not just focus on the individual but on the corpus. While individuals might be a great cause of reform or inspiration (like preachers or visionaries) but they are not the foundation, Christ is the foundation and he gave authority to His apostles

 

[Iollain]

It is called intellectual freedom, it is not Holy Scripture, it is not Scared Tradition, these visions fall into the category of privet revelation, some of them are ruled to be completely without merit, some are looked upon far more favorably, none of these visions are used to determine Dogma, the Catholic Church is lead by the Her Bishops and is guided by the Holy Ghost. If these visions cause more people to join the Church, then they are good, if not then they are bad, but God does not use visions as the main way to get information to His people, He uses His Church, which id the Body of Christ (read Saint Paul’s letters to the Corinthians) Christianity does not just focus on the individual but on the corpus. While individuals might be a great cause of reform or inspiration (like preachers or visionaries) but they are not the foundation, Christ is the foundation and he gave authority to His apostles

YOur church is letting people believe some pretty funky things, and it's alright, ok, go ahead, church approved, so yes, you had better believe what is going on. Just a loophole to jump through when the pressure is too much.

 

[Iollain]

So you think that is going to make a believer in Jesus, by believing you don't have to talk to God at all, but do everything through Mary?

 

[Rhamiel]

posted by your neighbor

In Catholicism? If you believe the Catholic Church is what it claims to be, one could agree with you. But Protestants don't regard the RC the same way, especially as they read Revelation 17-18.

See what I mean, no one else has to deal with this kind of garbage being espoused against them. If this is really what you think I do not know if Christian Forum is the right place for you, this is meant to be a place of fellowship and greater understanding between Christians.
Oh and don’t speak for all protestants, most do not hold the view that the Roman Catholic Church is the harlot mentioned in Revelations. I have lots of friends who see Catholics as their Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

His Beloved Melody said “DID I SAY ANY OF THAT? NO. DON'T put words OR twist MY words” I was not saying you said any of that, I was merely pointing out the level of hostility Catholics put up with regularly and how we can get overly defensive.

 

[Rhamiel]

So you think that is going to make a believer in Jesus, by believing you don't have to talk to God at all, but do everything through Mary?

I understand how one can get that idea, but that is the problem with only looking at the Cult of Mary, it is only a small part of the Catholic Church. Iollian, I am inviting you to attend mass this saturday night, just go and see what it is like, see the focus on Jesus and the love we have for Him.
I think this mariology sub-forum might be a mistake, by it's very nature it over exagerates our devotion to the Blessed Mother.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

It tickled me.. because after he made the comment, he signed it with the word "peace".

yeah, well....ha. What can I say!? I decided to stay...be a thorn ya know?? LOL

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Rhameil....in all your ramblings about these apparitions...not once have you said, they led ANYone to the LORD JESUS....but to your 'church'. NOW do you see what I meant?? Yes, some RCC's are Christians...but it isn't about 'church'...it is about JESUS. Get it now?

 

[Kepha]

The Church has the Holy Eucharist and our worship is centered around that being Christ.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

The Church has the Holy Eucharist and our worship is centered around that being Christ.

funny..my church has Eucharist too...and it is all about Jesus too! Amazing isn't it??

 

[cmarie423]

So you think that is going to make a believer in Jesus, by believing you don't have to talk to God at all, but do everything through Mary?

What is your problem. If you are supposed to be "better" than us, why are you acting unchristian like and hating on our church. You don't see us parading around hating on yours.

 

[Ave Maria]

Well, the Marian apparitions that are approved by the Church certainly are not Satanic at all. Those that go against the teaching of the Church might be Satanic.

 

[Merciel]

I think the reference would be Jude 1:9 - But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

The devil wanted Moses to stay dead. The Lord had other plans. The Lord rebuked the devil. Moses was resurrected.

Yeah, I see nothing about Moses being resurrected in that verse. Sounds like a major assumption to me.
And even so, if God can resurrect Moses, why can't He resurrect Mary?

 

[Ave Maria]

"you are really amazing. Throw out insults...nice. Very becoming...."
well how do think people are going to react when people say that the Roman Catholic Church is without Christ or is Babylonian Mystery Cult or the harlot of revolations. Most denominations do not have to put up with half of what we do.

Isn't that the truth? Catholics put up with more hate than most other denominations combined. Its sickening to tell the truth and to me is just one more sign that we are the one true Church.

 

[Ave Maria]

funny..my church has Eucharist too...and it is all about Jesus too! Amazing isn't it??

Yes but doesn't the Church of the Nazarene believe that the Eucharist is symbolic and only a memorial?

 

[icedtea]

I think its cause you are such a big target! Every religious Holy Day, they show the local Catholic church. I'd never seen an orthodox church mentioned til this board.
A big target will take hits, you know.

 

[icedtea]

yeah, well....ha. What can I say!? I decided to stay...be a thorn ya know?? LOL

Why would you want to? I thought we were supposed to lift up other believers.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Why would you want to? I thought we were supposed to lift up other believers.

Um...sweetie, 99.9% of the time, I am and do. It is here in certain threads...that .1% comes out...and hey..sorry. I am not letting 'certain' people get to me and make me leave. I have many wonderful friends here, and for the most part, the fellowship is great.

Peace...yes, we have COMMUNION. What is your point? See....the communion that Jesus taught does NOT exclude ANY believer. Sorry to say, YOUR denomination does...I went to Mass with my mother. I was told NOT to go up for it...as I was not of the faith. NOW...can you show me IN THE BIBLE where JESUS taught that?? He didn't say, only take if you are Catholic. SO..sorry..yeah there are some issues there.