Apparitions of "Mary"

[Petunia]

. . . I would tell you that there is a difference between being converted toChrist and being converted to your church.

Peace

I agree that being converted to Christ isn't being converted to any physical church, building or organization. It is to be converted to the Spiritual Body of Christ. A change that Christ makes inside of us. I don't agree with your idea of Eucharist though.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I agree that being converted to Christ isn't being converted to any physical church, building or organization. It is to be converted to the Spiritual Body of Christ. A change that Christ makes inside of us. I don't agree with your idea of Eucharist though.

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[Axion]

neither do I , but I am done aruging about it and being told that the only way to do it 'right' is the catholic way. Sorry..that don't cut it. Not what Church is about...but anyway....have at it.

But there has to be one "right" way to teach the and interpret the gospel. That's simple logic. And if there is one right way. Perhaps that right way is the way practiced by the church that has been around and taught that gospel since the time of the Apostles.

 

[~RENEE~]

Jesus Is the way the truth and the life and the only way to get to God

 

[Kepha]

Jesus Is the way the truth and the life and the only way to get to God

I 100 percent agree.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

But there has to be one "right" way to teach the and interpret the gospel. That's simple logic. And if there is one right way. Perhaps that right way is the way practiced by the church that has been around and taught that gospel since the time of the Apostles.

so with 2 churches claiming the same thing....which one is right? WHY can't any one answer that.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

But there has to be one "right" way to teach the and interpret the gospel. That's simple logic. And if there is one right way. Perhaps that right way is the way practiced by the church that has been around and taught that gospel since the time of the Apostles.

may be true, but I disagree it is the catholic denomination...sorry...but that is my opinion.

 

[icedtea]

But there has to be one "right" way to teach the and interpret the gospel. That's simple logic. And if there is one right way. Perhaps that right way is the way practiced by the church that has been around and taught that gospel since the time of the Apostles.

I always got upset when someone mentioned where was my church? It went underground? It disappeared? A few people living with Jesus in their hearts; where did they meet? How did anyone find the church? How did they keep some from changing the gospel and then moving away and carrying that error? Was it like a smorgasborg of different beliefs, but the same church?
I still can't answer that one, but I am less upset.

 

[Petunia]

But there has to be one "right" way to teach the and interpret the gospel. That's simple logic. And if there is one right way. Perhaps that right way is the way practiced by the church that has been around and taught that gospel since the time of the Apostles.

Jesus Is the way the truth and the life and the only way to get to God

I agree with Renee. Christ is the "right" way. There is a degree of error in every denomination. Catholicism and Protestanism. It just happens that I think there is less error in Protestanism... and much error in Catholicism.

 

[ScottBot]

I agree with Renee. Christ is the "right" way. There is a degree of error in every denomination. Catholicism and Protestanism. It just happens that I think there is less error in Protestanism... and much error in Catholicism.

In your opinion

 

[Petunia]

In your opinion

That's exactly what I said.

 

[Hentenza]

I agree with Renee. Christ is the "right" way. There is a degree of error in every denomination. Catholicism and Protestanism. It just happens that I think there is less error in Protestanism... and much error in Catholicism.

I agree with that.

 

[IamAdopted]

I agree with that.

I agree that if we don't get into Gods word we can be lead astray. Praise God for His written word.

 

[Your Neighbor]

back to

Medjugorje. 1984
Fatima. 1917
Loudes. 1858
Guadalupe. 1531

Where will "Mary" appear next?
What/who determines if these apparitions are really Mary?
What criteria should be used?
What if "Mary" told you that your belief in XYZ was wrong?

 

[Rhamiel]

yes back to the topic at hand, no one has put forth anything that makes these visions seem demonic. As far as I can tell these are supernatural visios of Our Lady, Mary the Mother of God.
People point out "how will visions of Mary bring faith in Christ?" well if you are an atheist and you see this you will really have to rethink atheism, or pagan, this would mess up the pagan worldview too.
Just like with living people God uses others to spread His word. In the Bible He uses Angels, now He choses to use those who rest in Him. I do not see what the big problem is, we have to be careful about what visions we trust, test it acording to scripture, but you all just seem to be assuming they are evil because it is the Blessed Virgin who is apearing to people

 

[IamAdopted]

yes back to the topic at hand, no one has put forth anything that makes these visions seem demonic. As far as I can tell these are supernatural visios of Our Lady, Mary the Mother of God.
People point out "how will visions of Mary bring faith in Christ?" well if you are an atheist and you see this you will really have to rethink atheism, or pagan, this would mess up the pagan worldview too.
Just like with living people God uses others to spread His word. In the Bible He uses Angels, now He choses to use those who rest in Him. I do not see what the big problem is, we have to be careful about what visions we trust, test it acording to scripture, but you all just seem to be assuming they are evil because it is the Blessed Virgin who is apearing to people

Well when we see appearances in the bible they are either Angels or they are the Lord. Never do we see where God sends a human that has passed on to come and talk to His people. The only ones we saw was when Jesus was speaking with Moses and Elijah. And this was the Lord that was speaking to them. They were speaking not to Gods people but to God.

 

[Rhamiel]

Wow, for once I am in agreement with IAA, there is not a scriptural president for God sending His Saints who have passed on to speak to His people. That is a very good reason to be extra cautious about these apparitions, but it is not a definitive piece of evidence that these visions are from the enemy, just that we should be extra careful.
And I do not know if you all know how careful the Catholic Church is with these kind of thing, every vision or miracle investigated by the Roman Catholic Church is assumed to be false at first.

 

[Kepha]

Wow, for once I am in agreement with IAA, there is not a scriptural president for God sending His Saints who have passed on to speak to His people.

Hmm. Yes but these Saints now are in Heaven 'After' Jesus opened up the Gates with His Ressurection after the 3 days. So the Saints were not sharing the Beatific Vision 'Yet'.

 

[Merciel]

Well when we see appearances in the bible they are either Angels or they are the Lord. Never do we see where God sends a human that has passed on to come and talk to His people. The only ones we saw was when Jesus was speaking with Moses and Elijah. And this was the Lord that was speaking to them. They were speaking not to Gods people but to God.

I wonder if Jews ever use the argument: "God never used humans who died to talk to other humans. Not once did He ever bring humans back from the dead, even to talk to Him on Earth. Therefore, the transfiguration was of the DEVIL because God is limited to do only that which He did in the Old Testament. He is powerless to do anything else."

 

[Axion]

so with 2 churches claiming the same thing....which one is right? WHY can't any one answer that.

The diferences between Catholic and Orthodox are very slight - more of emphasis than anything else.

All the ancient churches Catholic, Orthodox, coptic, Armenian, Syriac agree on

Apostolic succession
The real presence of Christ in the Eucharist
Scripture and Tradition
Infant baptism
Faith and Works for salvation
Communion of Saints
Threefold ministry of Bishops, priests and deacons
Eternal Virginity of Mary
Intercession of Mary and Saints
Prayer for the dead

etxc. etc.