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OAC demands one thing for others while being a hypocrite and not following her own demands for others. She is an elitist who thinks her own rules do not apply to her. That's an elitist mentality. I'm not sure how many times we have to explain it to you.
I have t seen any pictures. I saw a video and didn’t see her in it, and it was outdoors so masks aren’t required. Also, “when eating and drinking,” inky very strict city means when you’re sitting at the table. No one puts masks on between bites or courses.Have you looked at those pictures? She's not eating and drinking in them.
For her hypocrisy. Are you not paying attention to the thread?Would it? AOC has done nothing wrong, then -- and yet she is demonized... for what? #wheninRome
Gavin Newsom and Gretch Whitmer are two right off the bat.You'd be hard pressed to find Democrats doing that, too... even AOC.
For her hypocrisy. Are you not paying attention to the thread?
Gavin Newsom and Gretch Whitmer are two right off the bat.
I'm paying attention to a lot of things.
The rationale behind mask mandates has been that they are to protect other people more so than oneself. Gov. DeSantis is unimpressed by such measures, and the people of Florida seem to agree with him.
Why then should a visiting tourist care more about the locals' well-being than the locals do themselves? What happens to the people of Florida is hardly AOC's concern -- they're not her constituency. That she wears a mask at all in their presence is either an act of courtesy or a concern for her own well-being.
I believe that is the point.
She promotes masking on the basis of her own belief that not doing so kills people, and by not masking you are an actual killer - ie. responsible for the death of others, whether or not you knowingly have COVID.
If you say so.
Personally, I think she's trying to justify the laws implemented by the New York legislatures -- or have we forgotten that AOC doesn't actually have the authority to pass any laws in New York State?
As she is not in New York, she is not bound to support their rules -- especially among a population that resents and rejects those rules.
Not following CDC guidelines.I can’t believe this far into the thread and for the life of me I can’t identify what mask rule she broke. No one wears masks when seated at a table at a restaurant or bar outdoors or indoors. Masks aren’t required outdoors. So what did she do exactly?
You just don't get it. Most visiting tourists are not legislators or state governors seeking to impose mask and vaccination mandates with legal consequences.I'm paying attention to a lot of things.
The rationale behind mask mandates has been that they are to protect other people more so than oneself. Gov. DeSantis is unimpressed by such measures, and the people of Florida seem to agree with him.
Why then should a visiting tourist care more about the locals' well-being than the locals do themselves? What happens to the people of Florida is hardly AOC's concern -- they're not her constituency. That she wears a mask at all in their presence is either an act of courtesy or a concern for her own well-being.
And why is that…(that you care)?
I don't agree that we're all going to get it. That could happen, but I'm still hopeful it won't. They are doing the right thing by fighting it tooth and nail, vax and mask mandates as much as they can impose.
What CDC guideline wasn’t she following. It looks like she was outside, not inside and of course you can’t eat or drink with a mask on. In my very liberal city you can be in a bar unmasked while you’re eating and drinking. And there is to mask rule for outdoor spaces.
After we already have all had the virus. What is the point?Come on. You have to know by now that the Omicron variant is a breakthrough version of the virus. And you still do not appear to know how vaccines work. Before the Omicron variant they were highly effective. And if people got the virus anyway, which can happen with any vaccine, they had far fewer severe results. Even know the deaths in the hospitals may be mainly due to not getting vaccinated. The vaccines still produce some protection against Covid19. But only about at a 30% effectiveness vs over 90% for the original variant. And it still offers significant protection if one does get it.
It probably will do not good but here is a recent article on the topic:
COVID boosters with Pfizer or Moderna are best against omicron: study
And within three months we will have an Omicron vaccine if needed. What will your excuse be when that happens?
LOL! Of ALL the things to call AOC, she is certainly not elitist.She is an elitist who thinks her own rules do not apply to her. That's an elitist mentality. I'm not sure how many times we have to explain it to you.
You seem to be arguing from a right-wing perspective of money over lives. Being pro-life and Christian, I am coming from the opposite viewpoint on this. I'd rather that some people (espcially the bloated) lose some money while others' lives are saved. Getting vaccines and wearing masks and locking down frivolous activities are not that big a deal. We can do it another month or two, even another year, even another two years.But when those efforts fail to suppress transmission to a significant enough degree, there's only so much they can throw at it.
With Omicron, it's not like it was with previous variants... Areas with no mandates, and ones with strict mandates, are having similar spike trajectories.
For instance:
Here's California:
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Here's Florida:
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And if you want to see what it looks like in a separate country, that's delegated more top-down approaches at a federal level, here's Canada.
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And if you want to see what the experts are projecting:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/11/mor...ed-with-omicron-in-the-next-2-months-who.html
...they're saying that over 50% of the continent of Europe will have Omicron in the next 2 months.
There's only so long people can dodge it. Unless one can 100% commit to living in a bubble or isolated on a remote island, I still think 6 months from now, membership in "The Club of Omicron" will include the majority of the population.
There are stories about isolation hotels in certain countries, where people (who tested negative), ended up catching from a positive person across the hall
New Zealand research shows travelers infected one another across hallway in Covid-19 quarantine facility - CNN
(CNN)A traveler isolated for Covid-19 at a quarantine facility in New Zealand managed to infect three others across a hallway, researchers reported Thursday.
Given what we know about the transmissibility, heavily restrictive efforts in the name of "eradicating covid" equate to little more than sending someone into a burning office complex with a household garden hose. Sure, you can keep some things from catching on fire for a while, but eventually...
Or perhaps a better way to put it, the 4 foot fence that may worked to keep the chihuahua in the yard doesn't work as well against the German Shepard.
You seem to be arguing from a right-wing perspective of money over lives. Being pro-life and Christian, I am coming from the opposite viewpoint on this. I'd rather that some people (espcially the bloated) lose some money while others' lives are saved. Getting vaccines and wearing masks and locking down frivolous activities are not that big a deal. We can do it another month or two, even another year, even another two years.
And while the Omicron variant does spread very easily and vaccines don't work as well against it, the fact remains that the vast majority of the hospitalizations are for the unvaccinated. If people would stop resisting the vaccine based on right-wing lies we could move forward much more easily relaxed restrictions. But thanks to the conspiracy minded anti-vaxxers, we can't. And then the right wing uses the monster they intentionally created as the boogieman to scare people into being afraid of the continued restrictions.
So, I don't buy it. It's based in politics and an anti-Christian, pro-mammon attitude that is foreign to me and I will never relent to that insanity.
That's not to even mention that there is plenty of hope for more vaccines and therapeutics which are being developed very quickly. We don't need to start being cavalier about people's lives just because someone wants to drink a beer in a bar without having to wear a mask at any point, or because people are irrationally anti-vax since it fits their politics.
Let me attempt to explain this more simply. How could you, in your right mind, justify pushing a mask/vaccine mandate, and use your governing powers to strip people of their livelihoods (forcing them to close their businesses), or their freedom (throwing them in jail), for violating your mandates, laws you legislated for, or self imposed directives, only to turn around and do the very things you penalized or encouraged the penalization for others?I'm paying attention to a lot of things.
The rationale behind mask mandates has been that they are to protect other people more so than oneself. Gov. DeSantis is unimpressed by such measures, and the people of Florida seem to agree with him.
Why then should a visiting tourist care more about the locals' well-being than the locals do themselves? What happens to the people of Florida is hardly AOC's concern -- they're not her constituency. That she wears a mask at all in their presence is either an act of courtesy or a concern for her own well-being.
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