Anyone have good arguments against Calvinism.

[Hoping2]

Really ?

How do you then explain the conversion of Saul or the slaying of Ananias or Herod?

You've lost the context of my reply, which is still relevant to the OP.

 

[Carl Emerson]

You've lost the context of my reply, which is still relevant to the OP.

MAYBE NOT...

Paul was chosen and apprehended by the presence of God and blinded - do you think he could resist that by his will ?

God's love reigns supreme as part of His sovereign will.

He didn't whisper 'Hey Saul - this is Jesus - would you consider going easy on my Christian friends - please' ?

He (Jesus) is in control here - not us.

 

[johansen]

He didn't whisper ' Hey Saul - this is Jesus - would you consider going easy on my Christian friends - please ?

I had a similar thing happen.

14th of november 2012. an angel woke me up at 4am in the morning over a forum post i made about entropy wins and there is no rapture.

said post was made the 24th of may, 2011. man my memory is foggy, I thought there was a 4 month gap, not a year and 6 months.

this still remains the singular most terrifying and obviously from God experience i've ever had and it still makes no sense in that.. why, why was that so important. no one on that forum listened to anything i said anyways.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I had a similar thing happen.

14th of november 2012. an angel woke me up at 4am in the morning over a forum post i made about entropy wins and there is no rapture.

said post was made the 24th of may, 2011. man my memory is foggy, I thought there was a 4 month gap, not a year and 6 months.

this still remains the singular most terrifying and obviously from God experience i've ever had and it still makes no sense in that.. why, why was that so important. no one on that forum listened to anything i said anyways.

It seems modern Christianity lacks encounters that leave one mute when the almighty or His messengers speak.

His ways need to be politically correct these days it seems, when any display of force is considered abuse and necessarily from a wrong spirit.

There will be a lot of surprises when His Holy Magnificence is encountered at judgement - sure the Lamb's blood will cover us but the Terrible Presence of the Father will be there as well.

In fact His indwelling fear in us keeps us from falling away and is our best friend.

 

[enoob57]

I’m going

It seems modern Christianity lacks encounters

I see you’re still trying to lead people in their sensual aspects through flesh… You’re lack of understanding the transitional nature of the New Testament writing was going from Law to Grace ! They did not have the New Testament scripture, and because of that God and His Grace gave to them special spiritual things in order to aid them in this huge lack of material guidance… One of the things we talked about in the past was is God still speaking today? The answer to that is no, and the reason for that is God has taught us in his word this sufficiency of Scripture. To say that he is still speaking today is a direct indication that his word is not sufficient or better his scripture is not sufficient and there needs to be more. However, the leading of scripture is really clear as to the transmission of spoken to written laid out in scripture:

The thing that John was speaking of when he says ‘Word’ was either actual verbal communication or Scripture… today a word from God from our charismatic brothers and sisters means a plethora of possibilities… However, when you study the New Testament leading it is soley going toward written Scripture…

Taking this example to the nth degree, we have this
John 12:48 (KJV)
48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

As we see Jesus is literally speaking about His speaking to them ‘spoken word’ AT THAT IMMEDIATE TIME… Yet Scripture dictates to us this truth about the words Jesus was speaking at that time

John 14:23-26 (KJV)
23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

This is where we get inspiration of the Scriptures from verse 26 but the difficulty lies in the fact that they all died… the question is what about the Comforter and His inspired work? What happened to that? Here is where the transmission of the spoken word would become the written word. Let’s focus again on the passage in

John 12:48 48
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Revelation 20:12 (KJV) (The great white throne)
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

you will note that the spoken word that Jesus was talking about in John 12:48 is now written books in the last judgment…

We have nothing in the judgment, of God saying remember when I said this to you! So the question really rest on -> are you going to follow the leading of the Scripture or of the group you are with?

 

[johansen]

It seems modern Christianity lacks encounters that leave one mute when the almighty or His messengers speak.

His ways need to be politically correct these days it seems, when any display of force is considered abuse and necessarily from a wrong spirit.

Christians today not only lack the righteousness to get close to God to allow for God to engage in them in such ways, but they lack the personal development needed to properly escalate matters, and some of that is lack of experience in the smaller matters to be trained up in the ways of properly handling larger matters. but most of it is just: "i don't want to get involved"

For example, when a person lies to an entire church about what someone spoke in tongues said. At most, a mostly quiet board meeting happens and they vote to ask the person who spoke in tongues to leave. not the liar.

is God still speaking today? The answer to that is no, and the reason for that is God has taught us in his word this sufficiency of Scripture

have you healed anyone lately? has the Spirit of God done anything through you in your entire life?

if the answer is no.... maybe you are the one that is wrong.

 

[enoob57]

.have you healed anyone lately? has the Spirit of God done anything through you in your entire life?

if the answer is no.... maybe you are the one that is wrong.

Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
21¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why didn’t the Lord know these? They were doing the very same things that you claim proves that you are of Lord?

 

[Hoping2]

MAYBE NOT...

Paul was chosen and apprehended by the presence of God and blinded - do you think he could resist that by his will ?

God's love reigns supreme as part of His sovereign will.

He didn't whisper 'Hey Saul - this is Jesus - would you consider going easy on my Christian friends - please' ?

He (Jesus) is in control here - not us.

Do you think that was a forced conversion ?
I don't.
Jesus said it was hard for Paul to kick against the pricks.
Paul had already been considering aspects of the new church, and Jesus' visitation clinched the deal.
Were you forced to turn from darkness and unto the light ?
I was not forced to turn from sin.
I gladly repented !

 

[johansen]

Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV)
21¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Perhaps you should ask yourself why didn’t the Lord know these? They were doing the very same things that you claim proves that you are of Lord?

Those people deceived themselves and others, and are attempting self justification

 

[Hentenza]

I had a similar thing happen.

14th of november 2012. an angel woke me up at 4am in the morning over a forum post i made about entropy wins and there is no rapture.

said post was made the 24th of may, 2011. man my memory is foggy, I thought there was a 4 month gap, not a year and 6 months.

this still remains the singular most terrifying and obviously from God experience i've ever had and it still makes no sense in that.. why, why was that so important. no one on that forum listened to anything i said anyways.

Is not really the members that read your post but the lurkers. At any given time we might have 30 to 50 members but over a thousand lurkers. Most people only think that they are posting primarily to those in the thread and forget about the people that just like to read. Who knows, maybe something you said changed someone’s life or perspective.

 

[enoob57]

Those people deceived themselves and others, and are attempting self justification

So how do we ourselves make sure we are not deceived?

 

[johansen]

So how do we ourselves make sure we are not deceived?

bear fruit in keeping with repentance.

as for "beliefs"

i don't personally understand why everyone gets triggered by what someone else believes? i've been a christian for a long time and it seems to me that what a person believes is not even the secondary hinderance. or tertiary, with regard to what God is able to do with them. except for cessationism.

I know with relative certainty I probably believe things that are false, I also know my own maturity levels and how I handle things, I will not mention specifics but rather than the Holy Spirit tell me i'm wrong.. I'm told "do not divide my people". we have enough division, Calvinism vs arminianism vs protestants vs catholicism vs eastern orthodox. -the issue isn't the beliefs. the problem is you put an average christian from each camp in a room together and someone is going to get murdered.


13 years ago i would say i had a life changing perspective shift when the Spirit brought to my mind john 12:31.
the judgement is now, it started 2000 years ago. that one verse destroys most end times theologies.

 

[enoob57]

bear fruit in keeping with repentance.

as for "beliefs"

i don't personally understand why everyone gets triggered by what someone else believes? i've been a christian for a long time and it seems to me that what a person believes is not even the secondary hinderance. or tertiary, with regard to what God is able to do with them. except for cessationism.

I know with relative certainty I probably believe things that are false, I also know my own maturity levels and how I handle things, I will not mention specifics but rather than the Holy Spirit tell me i'm wrong.. I'm told "do not divide my people". we have enough division, Calvinism vs arminianism vs protestants vs catholicism vs eastern orthodox. -the issue isn't the beliefs. the problem is you put an average christian from each camp in a room together and someone is going to get murdered.


13 years ago i would say i had a life changing perspective shift when the Spirit brought to my mind john 12:31.
the judgement is now, it started 2000 years ago. that one verse destroys most end times theologies.

God established his scripture, his word for all of the children of God to grow and have knowledge of him anything outside of this is a foundation that will not hold up in this dark fleshy world when come into his judgment…
2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV)

15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Perhaps you should ask yourself why didn’t the Lord know these? They were doing the very same things that you claim proves that you are of Lord?

Nonsense,

Example -

I was having a holiday in a small town, being rather exhausted.

I heard that a Pastor lived there who was taking at risk folks into his home.

One of the main ways I am guided in God's will is in response to the promise "If you trust in the Lord he will give you the desires of your heart". I had come to realise this promise had a double meaning - he plants desires within you - and He fulfils the desires He gives.

So I had a strong desire to visit him and and knew deeply it was God given.

So the next day I decided to drive down to where he lived - BUT - getting into the car I felt totally awful and knew the timing was wrong. Next day the same - got in the car - couldn't drive.

Third day - at 930 pm !!!. Go now. So cold call with no sense of why. Knock on the door as a total stranger and the Pastors wife welcomed me in for a cup of tea, saying he would be back in 20 mins.

Pastor walks in the door and his first words were "no one comes in my door unless they are sent".

We sat together and he invited me to pray for an alcoholic he had taken in who was seeking Jesus.

I was not looking for ministry due to my exhaustion levels but reluctantly joined in to pray.

Then it happened, the Pastor fell to the floor holding his throat crying out 'pray for me'...

My response was "but I'm on holiday - I am not looking for ministry..."

To which he responded "get off the grass"

So with some reluctance I sought God about what was to be done, and He showed me what deliverance from spiritual entities was needed.

These I dealt with in Jesus name and he was set free.

I heard days later that his ministry was transformed as a result.

He never got to know who I was and to this day I was simply someone who came with God's commission at the right time.

This is one of several events I have been privileged to see unfold that cant be explained in human terms...

I am knocking on the door of 80 years old and have nothing to lose sharing what my walk with God is about.

You ask how I can prove my experiences are of the Lord - better for you to prove they are not...

And to demonise those who do not believe what you do is hardly maintaining the unity of the spirit in the bonds of peace.

All my life my desire has been to be like Jesus and this dream has come true - the sick are healed, the lame walk and the gospel is shared.