There is no contention with your last statement.
We do works from salvation, not for salvation.
My point is that justification and sanctification cannot be separated unless you want to make them meaningless.
If you believe that we do works from salvation then how were we made righteous? How can the believer with saving faith be saved without being righteous?
Paul gives us the answer:
“But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in God’s merciful restraint He let the sins previously committed go unpunished; for the demonstration, that is, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”
Romans 3:21-26 NASB2020
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“Therefore,
having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we also have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we celebrate in hope of the glory of God.”
Romans 5:1-2 NASB2020
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Being justified or having been justified is in the aorist passive which means that receiver received it already as a gift with no further effort required. You cant accept justification apart from sanctification because your church teaches erroneously that both are one. Apostolic teaching does not agree with your church. There is nothing meaningless about being justified (once) and then work from salvation for sanctification. That is the order of things. We can’t make ourselves righteous (justified) by doing works. We can, however, work alongside our Lord for our sanctification.
From the teaching that they can be separated, we have those that think they may give mental ascent to Jesus and then do nothing as if sanctification is optional
There are certainly those that do not have saving faith. People need to complete their faith by being born again. Again, the parable of the sower explains the different types of faith.
Non of the verses you share with me show that sanctification is optional or that we need not take care once we come to the knowledge of Christ
Because there are non. You assume that my argument stipulates that anyone that calls Jesus Lord actually has saving faith. Every verse regarding sanctification however, states the work we do naturally by having been justified.
Scripture says, that if we love Him, we keep His commandments and His commandments are not burdensome, yet we have those that preach His commandments are impossible, so don’t do them, just believe and you will be fine. That is not true and the warnings are all in scripture
Again, not my argument. Those with saving faith will keep His commandments (Jesus not the law). The warning are for those without saving faith.
Paul teaches:
“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.”
Romans 8:1-2 NASB2020
Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
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The key here is “IN Christ Jesus”.
It doesn’t matter if you won’t listen to me. I feel bad for you, but I cannot make you believe. You will face the judgement seat of Christ some day, and scripture says you will be judged by your works
All of us will face the judgement seat of Christ. Actually, tell me where in scripture Christ says that? I can show you where Paul teaches it.
“According to the grace of God which was given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building on it. But each person must be careful how he builds on it. For no one can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, each one’s work will become evident; for the day will show it because it is to be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If anyone’s work which he has built on it remains, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire.”
1 Corinthians 3:10-15 NASB2020
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Do you think Paul teaches contrary to Christ? Of course not. Works never saved anyone. I much rather have a reward here but even those that do not do good works are STILL saved.
I will loudly proclaim the truth of scripture and Apostolic teaching which was sealed by the tongues of fire from the Holy Spirit
The apostles never taught works salvation. None of them did. The Catholic Church, however, it’s a different story.
Last time I checked, there were no tongues of fire poured out on those that preach sanctification is optional. You need to study history and scripture, and not rely on your distortion
No one has argued that. If you were to actually read and address other people’s posts you would know this. You are assigning others the wrong premise. You still believe that if those with saving faith do not do works during sanctification that they can loose their saving faith. That premise results in your belief that works are required for salvation. You talk with both sides of your mouth when you say that we work from salvation and then require works for salvation. Let me tell you what else Paul teaches in the holy scriptures.
“But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, since otherwise grace is no longer grace.”
Romans 11:6 NASB2020
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, since otherwise grace is no longer grace.
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