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Anyone have good arguments against Calvinism.

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Taking a step back from that way of thinking and am looking for different ways of looking at it.
Calvinism is a great foundation for OSAS (probably the one and only logical one for it).

But OSAS fails here
John 15:1-5 salvation revoked
Matt 18:32-35 - forgiveness revoked
Ezek 18 - forgiveness revoked
Rom 11 - salvation revoked
Heb 6:3-8 salvation revoked
Gal 5:1-4 fallen from Grace - severed from Christ

Calvinism's "unconditional election" boils down to "arbitrary selection" when you look closely at it.
By contrast Rom 2:11 "God is not partial"
John 3:16 "God so loved the Word" -- (yes really)
1 John 2:2 "Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and NOT for our sins only - but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD" -- yes really

Calvinism's irresistible fails John 1
"He came to HIS OWN - and His OWN received Him not" John 1:11
 
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John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Notice it does not say "IF I CAUSE you to believe you are saved"

Rev 3 "I STAND at the door and knock - if anyone hears My voice AND OPENS the door - I will come in"
 
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Only one idea can be true.
Either one is forced to be converted, or one can choose to convert.
"MANY are called - few chosen" Matt 22:14

2 Peter 3 "God is not WILLING that any should perish but that ALL should come to repentance"

Nothing about "arbitrary selection" in 2 Peter 3

And yet as Matt 7 points out "the MANY" are on the wide road that ends in destruction and the FEW are on the narrow road leading to Life
 
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I've often shared my story of having been raised in a tradition that focused on an individual, personal, sincere effort to get saved that led me to a very dark place spiritually. My struggle was whether I had "meant it" when I "asked Jesus into my heart"; and so found myself in a state of constant fear and doubt begging God to save me. And the harder I tried, the more I wanted to be spiritual, faithful, sincere, the further and further away God seemed to be. Jesus grew remote, distant, and angry in my mind.

It was the work, primarily of Lutherans, but also Reformed folk, to speak of the pureness of grace that stilled the wild storms of fear and doubt in my soul. It was this experience which ultimately brought me into the Lutheran tradition, where I remain. But at that early period of my life I was, arguably more inclined to the Reformed/Calvinist side. The Lutheran tradition with its very "Catholic" way, vs the much more familiar "Protestant" way of the Reformed tradition was closer to where I was as a born-and-bred Evangelical Protestant (mixed non-denominational, Baptist, and Pentecostal upbringing). Ultimately, however, it was the Lutheran focus on Grace rather than the Reformed focus on Divine Sovereignty that became the central issue: The Calvinist schema is one that is highly logical, rational, beginning with certain axioms rooted in Scripture and then works up from those axioms toward theological conclusions--it's all very self-consistent and rational. Lutheranism, on the other hand, just isn't interested in being rational; and yet where Lutheranism says that yes God has chosen us, because that's what Scripture says; Calvinism says that yes God has chosen us, but that must by necessity mean that God has passed over, neglected, or otherwise chosen by negation the rest who are damned and irreparably reprobate. Yet in Scripture I could find nothing about God picking and choosing who would and would not be saved; but rather the words of comfort: God has chosen you; and at the same time Scripture time and again emphasized that God's love is for all, that Christ died for everyone; that there is a universal mercy in the Gospel, and that Christ's work is universal in scope (not that all will be saved, but that God wills that all be saved).

It is because the word of God declares who God is, as revealed in Christ, that I ultimately could not follow the Calvinist path. I could never shake the sense that Calvinism obscures God behind a veil of Sovereignty where the light of the Gospel cannot fully shine. A theological mist that obscures the pure visage of Christ the God-Man and Suffering Mediator.

I don't know if this is the kind of argument against Calvinism the OP would be interested in. I think there are plenty of raw biblical arguments that exist, but I wanted to present something more personable. Less a "Why you shouldn't be a Calvinist" and more of a "Why I'm not"

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As I understand it - all of the following views are "optimistic" in that their view predicts that things just keep getting "better and better" over time.
Partial Preterism
full Preterism
Amill
post-mill

The two pre-mill views do not do that.
Historic Pre-mill
Dispensational pre-mill
 
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I've often shared my story of having been raised in a tradition that focused on an individual, personal, sincere effort to get saved that led me to a very dark place spiritually. My struggle was whether I had "meant it" when I "asked Jesus into my heart"; and so found myself in a state of constant fear and doubt begging God to save me. And the harder I tried, the more I wanted to be spiritual, faithful, sincere, the further and further away God seemed to be. Jesus grew remote, distant, and angry in my mind.

It was the work, primarily of Lutherans, but also Reformed folk, to speak of the pureness of grace that stilled the wild storms of fear and doubt in my soul. It was this experience which ultimately brought me into the Lutheran tradition, where I remain. But at that early period of my life I was, arguably more inclined to the Reformed/Calvinist side. The Lutheran tradition with its very "Catholic" way, vs the much more familiar "Protestant" way of the Reformed tradition was closer to where I was as a born-and-bred Evangelical Protestant (mixed non-denominational, Baptist, and Pentecostal upbringing). Ultimately, however, it was the Lutheran focus on Grace rather than the Reformed focus on Divine Sovereignty that became the central issue: The Calvinist schema is one that is highly logical, rational, beginning with certain axioms rooted in Scripture and then works up from those axioms toward theological conclusions--it's all very self-consistent and rational. Lutheranism, on the other hand, just isn't interested in being rational; and yet where Lutheranism says that yes God has chosen us, because that's what Scripture says; Calvinism says that yes God has chosen us, but that must by necessity mean that God has passed over, neglected, or otherwise chosen by negation the rest who are damned and irreparably reprobate. Yet in Scripture I could find nothing about God picking and choosing who would and would not be saved; but rather the words of comfort: God has chosen you; and at the same time Scripture time and again emphasized that God's love is for all, that Christ died for everyone; that there is a universal mercy in the Gospel, and that Christ's work is universal in scope (not that all will be saved, but that God wills that all be saved).

It is because the word of God declares who God is, as revealed in Christ, that I ultimately could not follow the Calvinist path. I could never shake the sense that Calvinism obscures God behind a veil of Sovereignty where the light of the Gospel cannot fully shine. A theological mist that obscures the pure visage of Christ the God-Man and Suffering Mediator.

I don't know if this is the kind of argument against Calvinism the OP would be interested in. I think there are plenty of raw biblical arguments that exist, but I wanted to present something more personable. Less a "Why you shouldn't be a Calvinist" and more of a "Why I'm not"

-CryptoLutheran
This is just beautiful, man...and a reminder to me to temper my angst regarding Calvinism since in a lot of ways my hostility is from a place of prior pain caused by my own misperceptions about the Biblical merit of Calvinism prior to becoming familiar with the Bible. For me, the challenge was the opposite. If it were purely God's choice, how could I ever be sure He had actually chosen me? Calvinism offers a sense of security, so long as you don't question how you would truly know.
 
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The Calvinist schema is one that is highly logical, rational, beginning with certain axioms rooted in Scripture and then works up from those axioms toward theological conclusions--it's all very self-consistent and rational.

My experience was very similar to yours, and the emphasis on grace that I found in the Reformed tradition was vital to my coming back to faith. Early on I was very much enamored with the Calvinist schema because it did strike me as logical/rational, but that has changed. As my father used to say, "Calvinism is like a guitar that is in tune with itself but out of tune with the rest of the band." Lol
 
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My experience was very similar to yours, and the emphasis on grace that I found in the Reformed tradition was vital to my coming back to faith. Early on I was very much enamored with the Calvinist schema because it did strike me as logical/rational, but that has changed. As my father used to say, "Calvinism is like a guitar that is in tune with itself but out of tune with the rest of the band." Lol
It's funny how different people respond to different emphases, as the primary emphasis I took away from hearing Calvinist messaging growing up was how totally worthless I was with its severe focus on human sinfulness. And the rational/logical structuring made it difficult to see my way out of the trap. All I was left with was the question of if I were as bad as they said I was, how could God ever love me?
 
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As I understand it - all of the following views are "optimistic" in that their view predicts that things just keep getting "better and better" over time.
Partial Preterism
full Preterism
Amill
post-mill

The two pre-mill views do not do that.
Historic Pre-mill
Dispensational pre-mill

You'd be mistaken in your understanding then. Amillennialists and Partial Preterists alike would, on the whole, understand that the world does not get better until the Eschaton; but that things get progressively worse.

Only the Post-millennial view provides a possible framework of cosmic optimism, though not necessarily so. Strictly speaking Postmillennialism simply states that Christ returns after the Millennium, and the Millennium is understood (usually) as a figurative period of time. Amillennialism, by distinction, is focused chiefly on the idea that the Millennium isn't literal, but describes the reality of Christ reigning over all things from His throne in heaven. However in some forms of Post-Millennialism the Millennium is understood in a dominionist framework: Through global missions the influence of the Church grows, and the world progressively becomes more and more Christian, and then at the conclusion of these things Christ returns to take full possession of the kingdom. Amillennialism, on the other hand, confesses that Christ is Lord, and the kingdom of God has nothing to do with temporal authority, but is the objective reality of Christ's Lordship and the Church bears witness to Christ's Lordship--whether the Church is persecuted, tolerated, or in a state of favorability doesn't change any of that: Christ is Lord regardless of whether Diocletian or Theodosius is emperor. In the general Amillennialist view, the world is indeed broken and fallen and while we are called to be salt and light, the reality of the fallen condition of man and the world means things will even at their best still be broken; and often times be quite terrible--and likely to increasingly get worse as time marches forward. The Christian witness in the world never changes, even as the times and seasons change; the Church to be an immoveable rock of faith and hope in a seas of instability, despair, and unbelief. Kingdoms wage war against kingdoms, nations rise up against nations, and this is the way of things right up until Christ returns.

Partial Preterism is not, of itself, its own thing. Partial Preterists are often also Amillennial (or Post-Millennial), but it would not surprise me to also learn that some Partial Preterists are Pre-Millennial. Partial Preterism is, strictly speaking, a framework of dealing with certain key biblical texts which recognize that the focus of these texts is not strictly Eschatological, but rather are about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.

Full Preterism, on the other hand, is its own thing. Believing that the Eschaton and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple are, effectively one and the same; and that the Parousia refers not to a literal visible return of Christ at the conclusion of history but to a return of Christ in judgment against Jerusalem--and that the resurrection of the dead is not a literal resurrection but effectively just a romantic and poetic way to speak of "going to heaven" after we die. Full Preterism, therefore, doesn't really say whether the world gets better or gets worse; but rather this world ultimately doesn't matter and things will just keep going forever or until the sun blows up or we all destroy ourselves in war or whatever have you. The future of this world is irrelevant in Full Preterism, the physical and material universe will just keep churning along seemingly forever or until the material elements of the physical universe dissolve (i.e. entropy wins in the end). If you ask me, that ranks Full Preterism as the most pessimistic and nihilistic view of all the ones listed. Though I don't hide the fact that I truly dislike Full Preterism because I believe it is a heterodox system that gets the Gospel very, very, very wrong on many very, very, very important issues.

The general Christian view, regardless of eschatological persuasion, is that the present world is broken and hurting and fallen; things are not going to get better, things are going to continue to be bad (and/or get worse) until Christ returns and God sets all things to rights. This is not unique to Pre-Millennialism; though certain forms of Pre-Millennialism may entertain robust speculative narratives about the bleakness of the future. Which do quite well if one is interested in raising the level of fear among the Faithful, or to sell popular fiction using eschatological themes. Fear-mongering can be a very useful tactic if the goal is to manipulate your audience. And no, that isn't exclusive to Pre-Millennialist schools of thought; but Pre-Millennialist schools of thought are full of fear-mongering in the present day. Just take a look at every time the news cycle mentions conflict or war in the Middle East.

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You'd be mistaken in your understanding then. Amillennialists and Partial Preterists alike would, on the whole, understand that the world does not get better until the Eschaton; but that things get progressively worse.

Only the Post-millennial view provides a possible framework of cosmic optimism, though not necessarily so. Strictly speaking Postmillennialism simply states that Christ returns after the Millennium, and the Millennium is understood (usually) as a figurative period of time. Amillennialism, by distinction, is focused chiefly on the idea that the Millennium isn't literal, but describes the reality of Christ reigning over all things from His throne in heaven. However in some forms of Post-Millennialism the Millennium is understood in a dominionist framework: Through global missions the influence of the Church grows, and the world progressively becomes more and more Christian, and then at the conclusion of these things Christ returns to take full possession of the kingdom. Amillennialism, on the other hand, confesses that Christ is Lord, and the kingdom of God has nothing to do with temporal authority, but is the objective reality of Christ's Lordship and the Church bears witness to Christ's Lordship--whether the Church is persecuted, tolerated, or in a state of favorability doesn't change any of that: Christ is Lord regardless of whether Diocletian or Theodosius is emperor. In the general Amillennialist view, the world is indeed broken and fallen and while we are called to be salt and light, the reality of the fallen condition of man and the world means things will even at their best still be broken; and often times be quite terrible--and likely to increasingly get worse as time marches forward. The Christian witness in the world never changes, even as the times and seasons change; the Church to be an immoveable rock of faith and hope in a seas of instability, despair, and unbelief. Kingdoms wage war against kingdoms, nations rise up against nations, and this is the way of things right up until Christ returns.

Partial Preterism is not, of itself, its own thing. Partial Preterists are often also Amillennial (or Post-Millennial), but it would not surprise me to also learn that some Partial Preterists are Pre-Millennial. Partial Preterism is, strictly speaking, a framework of dealing with certain key biblical texts which recognize that the focus of these texts is not strictly Eschatological, but rather are about the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple.

Full Preterism, on the other hand, is its own thing. Believing that the Eschaton and the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple are, effectively one and the same; and that the Parousia refers not to a literal visible return of Christ at the conclusion of history but to a return of Christ in judgment against Jerusalem--and that the resurrection of the dead is not a literal resurrection but effectively just a romantic and poetic way to speak of "going to heaven" after we die. Full Preterism, therefore, doesn't really say whether the world gets better or gets worse; but rather this world ultimately doesn't matter and things will just keep going forever or until the sun blows up or we all destroy ourselves in war or whatever have you. The future of this world is irrelevant in Full Preterism, the physical and material universe will just keep churning along seemingly forever or until the material elements of the physical universe dissolve (i.e. entropy wins in the end). If you ask me, that ranks Full Preterism as the most pessimistic and nihilistic view of all the ones listed. Though I don't hide the fact that I truly dislike Full Preterism because I believe it is a heterodox system that gets the Gospel very, very, very wrong on many very, very, very important issues.

The general Christian view, regardless of eschatological persuasion, is that the present world is broken and hurting and fallen; things are not going to get better, things are going to continue to be bad (and/or get worse) until Christ returns and God sets all things to rights. This is not unique to Pre-Millennialism; though certain forms of Pre-Millennialism may entertain robust speculative narratives about the bleakness of the future. Which do quite well if one is interested in raising the level of fear among the Faithful, or to sell popular fiction using eschatological themes. Fear-mongering can be a very useful tactic if the goal is to manipulate your audience. And no, that isn't exclusive to Pre-Millennialist schools of thought; but Pre-Millennialist schools of thought are full of fear-mongering in the present day. Just take a look at every time the news cycle mentions conflict or war in the Middle East.

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This isn't quite right, as the primary contention in post-millenialism doesn't really have anything to do with the question of the millenium. the only reason it is named as much is because the discussion is dominated by a premillenial frame of understanding. Postmillenialism simply contends that the eschaton began with the resurrection, and that it is our responsibility today to bring the kingdom to the world rather than wait for a rapture. There is a sense of optimism, that the churches work will produce a harvest of righteousness, but victory isn't guaranteed until Christ returns. The question of the millenium is seen as a misguided one under postmillenium, rather than there being a definitive answer.
 
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This is just beautiful, man...and a reminder to me to temper my angst regarding Calvinism since in a lot of ways my hostility is from a place of prior pain caused by my own misperceptions about the Biblical merit of Calvinism prior to becoming familiar with the Bible. For me, the challenge was the opposite. If it were purely God's choice, how could I ever be sure He had actually chosen me? Calvinism offers a sense of security, so long as you don't question how you would truly know.

In the years since, this has become a criticism of mine toward Calvinism. While I didn't grow up Calvinist/Reformed, my early years were shaped by the sort of quasi-Calvinism or the Calvinist-Arminian blend that defines much of the American Evangelical landscape. As such I grew up believing "once saved always saved", but as time has marched on and as I've often seen so many arguments presented as "Well, they weren't ever really a Christian to begin with" as the way to argue against the possibility of Christians falling away (and the very real experience of knowing Christians who are no longer Christian anymore). This creates a dangerous place where faith doesn't prosper, but withers.

The problem for me is very simple: If it remains a distinct possibility that no matter how much I may think I believe in Jesus, no matter how strong my devotion and conviction may seem to me, that in the end I didn't actually believe at all--that I was "never a Christian to begin with"--and that possibility remains as long as this is possible of anyone, then how can I truly have assurance and confidence of my hope in Christ. Whether this is phrased in the language of "sincerely asking Jesus into your heart" or in the language of "the elect will by no means fall away" the outcome is the same: If there is no difference between the "true Christian" and the "false Christian" in terms of what they believe, feel, and think then what remains is the niggling writhing worm of doubt and despair: How can I know I'm a real Christian and not a false one? Because the true Christian will not fall away? So, then, I may simply be a false Christian before I fall away (or rather, show my true colors as a non-believer?). The best I can imagine here is a case of Schrodinger's Christian--the Christian is in a quantum state of both real and false, and one cannot know which is the case until the box is, proverbially opened.

None of this suggests confidence or assurance. Especially if election is presented as the inscrutable knowledge of God; that God alone knows the elect.

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This isn't quite right, as the primary contention in post-millenialism doesn't really have anything to do with the question of the millenium. the only reason it is named as much is because the discussion is dominated by a premillenial frame of understanding. Postmillenialism simply contends that the eschaton began with the resurrection, and that it is our responsibility today to bring the kingdom to the world rather than wait for a rapture. There is a sense of optimism, that the churches work will produce a harvest of righteousness, but victory isn't guaranteed until Christ returns. The question of the millenium is seen as a misguided one under postmillenium, rather than there being a definitive answer.

I'll freely admit that my knowledge of Post-Millennialism is lacking. Most of my experiences have tended to be with Dominionist sorts, which I know does not define Post-Millennialism; but that is the form of Post-Millennialism with which I have encountered most frequently; and as such while I know Post-Millennialism =/= Dominionism, I am fully aware that my understanding of the position is highly deficient. So I appreciate the correction.

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It's funny how different people respond to different emphases, as the primary emphasis I took away from hearing Calvinist messaging growing up was how totally worthless I was with its severe focus on human sinfulness. And the rational/logical structuring made it difficult to see my way out of the trap. All I was left with was the question of if I were as bad as they said I was, how could God ever love me?

I think that has been a common experience with Calvinism. John Bunyan comes to mind because I think he really struggled with that very thing. I didn't struggle with that particular question early on, but eventually, I began to question the whole framework.

Like @ViaCrucis I had a hard time within the tradition I gew up in because the emphasis was on me, and my choosing Christ, and then maintaining my salvation. For a number of reasons, that became excruciating for me. My introduction to the Reformed tradition gave me a whole new perspective on grace and divine love that I needed. And I found peace and security within that framework for awhile.

But...Calvin explicitly limits God's love to the elect, and after some time, that no longer sat well with me. It is fascinating how different frameworks help some and not others. I don't know. My personal experience on both sides of the sovereignty/freedom debate has led me to question the wisdom of placing too much emphasis on one or the other. These days, I'm much less interested in trying to figure out an answer on an intellectual level, but at that time, much of my faith was on that level, and I felt a clear answer was needed for the sake of faith.
 
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Only one idea can be true.
Either one is forced to be converted, or one can choose to convert.
Contraire. . .

When one willingly chooses what he prefers, he is no sense of the word ("choose") being forced.

And God gives him to prefer it.
 
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I'll freely admit that my knowledge of Post-Millennialism is lacking. Most of my experiences have tended to be with Dominionist sorts, which I know does not define Post-Millennialism; but that is the form of Post-Millennialism with which I have encountered most frequently; and as such while I know Post-Millennialism =/= Dominionism, I am fully aware that my understanding of the position is highly deficient. So I appreciate the correction.

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Realistically, the chief common ground among post-millialists isn't exactly a common doctrine so much as it is a hermeneutic commitment to not allow a single chapter in a notoriosly difficult to interpret book dominate our understanding of the eschaton and instead to draw upon a breadth of Biblical sources to develop our understanding. This can lead to confusion among those who aren't post-millenialists, especially since the other positions are specific understandings of Revelation 20. The name is a consternation for most of us, and there are reasons that dominionism is close kin.
 
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Realistically, the chief common ground among post-millialists isn't exactly a common doctrine so much as it is a hermeneutic commitment to not allow a single chapter in a notoriosly difficult to interpret book dominate our understanding of the eschaton and instead to draw upon a breadth of Biblical sources to develop our understanding. This can lead to confusion among those who aren't post-millenialists, especially since the other positions are specific understandings of Revelation 20. The name is a consternation for most of us, and there are reasons that dominionism is close kin.

In my own experience, that also tends to be how I view Amillennialism. Amillennialism is hardly monolithic; it is a recognition or belief that the Millennium isn't literal (given the nature of St. John's Revelation in its own context), and thus the Millennium can't be hermeneutical framework with which we read the rest of the Bible. Rather than reading the Bible under the framework of a literal Millennium; instead the Millennium is to be interpreted in the context of the apocalyptic language of the text, and we should be more interested in the through-lines of the rest of Scripture and not fixated on a single chapter in a highly figurative book that also mentions prostitutes riding multi-headed monstrous beasts and human-faced locusts. That is, in a nutshell, how I'd define the Amillennial position.

Which perhaps may be why I have at times heard it said that Post-Millennialism and Amillennialism aren't always easy to distinguish.

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I think that has been a common experience with Calvinism. John Bunyan comes to mind because I think he really struggled with that very thing. I didn't struggle with that particular question early on, but eventually, I began to question the whole framework.
The question brought me about as close to losing my faith as is possble without actually losing faith...because thankfully before I became exposed to that theological rigor I was in a church that was full of pragmatic love and saw Jesus and fell in love. But I dropped everything else, stopped going to church, stopped reading the Bible....all I thought I needed was Jesus. But that was where my journey started, and He brought me back to everything else by exposing me to other theological traditions that have proven much more intellectually and emotionally satifying to me.
Like @ViaCrucis I had a hard time within the tradition I gew up in because the emphasis was on me, and my choosing Christ, and then maintaining my salvation. For a number of reasons, that became excruciating for me. My introduction to the Reformed tradition gave me a whole new perspective on grace and divine love that I needed. And I found peace and security within that framework for awhile.
They say the same water that hardens the egg, softens the potato.
But...Calvin explicitly limits God's love to the elect, and after some time, that no longer sat well with me. It is fascinating how different frameworks help some and not others. I don't know. My personal experience on both sides of the sovereignty/freedom debate has led me to question the wisdom of placing too much emphasis on one or the other. These days, I'm much less interested in trying to figure out an answer on an intellectual level, but at that time, much of my faith was on that level, and I felt a clear answer was needed for the sake of faith.
Yeah, I get that. I've settled on a similar attitude, though I still lean to the freedom side because I see freedom as a basic belief and theories of soveriegnty as philosophical constructs. But I also think a lot of what passes in the free will side is outright Pelagianism, and that's partly because the more nuanced view of Original Sin that persists in the Orthodox church never took root in the Latin church because the debate was framed as a dilemma between Augustine and Pelagius.
 
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In my own experience, that also tends to be how I view Amillennialism. Amillennialism is hardly monolithic; it is a recognition or belief that the Millennium isn't literal (given the nature of St. John's Revelation in its own context), and thus the Millennium can't be hermeneutical framework with which we read the rest of the Bible. Rather than reading the Bible under the framework of a literal Millennium; instead the Millennium is to be interpreted in the context of the apocalyptic language of the text, and we should be more interested in the through-lines of the rest of Scripture and not fixated on a single chapter in a highly figurative book that also mentions prostitutes riding multi-headed monstrous beasts and human-faced locusts. That is, in a nutshell, how I'd define the Amillennial position.

Which perhaps may be why I have at times heard it said that Post-Millennialism and Amillennialism aren't always easy to distinguish.

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Yes, though it's my understanding that the chief distinction between amillenialists and post-millenialists is that amillenialists believe that the millenial is fulfilled in the heavenly realm as a spiritual reality, while post-millenialists believe that we have to work out its reality through engaging in "warfare" against the enshrined worldly powers. Practically speaking, they work out as the same in a lot of ways and the distinctions at a certain point become superficial. The reality is that the whole discussion is far too dominated by the premillenialist position as the inaptness of the other names demonstrates.
 
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"MANY are called - few chosen" Matt 22:14

2 Peter 3 "God is not WILLING that any should perish but that ALL should come to repentance"

Nothing about "arbitrary selection" in 2 Peter 3
Not at all arbitrary.
God said what man must do for eternal life.
Not many will submit to those commands.
And yet as Matt 7 points out "the MANY" are on the wide road that ends in destruction and the FEW are on the narrow road leading to Life
All it takes is a genuine belief in God, who will take care of the heavy lifting if we submit to His authority.
 
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