anyone have any insight?

[seeingeyes]

We will be going to the same church...at least for now, we haven't finished the task God has given us there.

I grew up with over 300 acres to roam on, my husband grew up in the bush of Nigeria, so a bit of land is perfect for us and the house has been one miracle after another...we still need a miracle before the entire things is done, but God has been faithful thus far, no reason to question His faithfulness in the next step.

How are you doing?

Meh. Everything around here keeps breaking.

Ya know how the Israelites' clothes never wore out while they were wandering for forty years? I wish God would do that with my car. lol

 

[razzelflabben]

Meh. Everything around here keeps breaking.

Ya know how the Israelites' clothes never wore out while they were wandering for forty years? I wish God would do that with my car. lol

lol...know that feeling...right now we need the widows oil and flour that never ran dry (too much work to do and running out of money fast)..."knock on wood" the vehicles are hanging on for the time being...praying for you...

What happened to us is that we were gifted money to buy a house (against inheritance) so we bought a house based on that amount of money, coming under that price so we could have a cushion for things that we didn't budget for....after the deal was made, all of a sudden we were gifted 10,000 less than promised...our budget is so tight I can't even tell you, on top of that, we had to totally re plumb, which was unexpected. Dont' have any money of our own in that we live in poverty to start out with...a friend told me not to worry because God always finishes what He starts, beautiful words of wisdom but not always easy to live in trust of if you know what I mean....lol...how bad is the car situation?

 

[seeingeyes]

lol...know that feeling...right now we need the widows oil and flour that never ran dry (too much work to do and running out of money fast)..."knock on wood" the vehicles are hanging on for the time being...praying for you...

What happened to us is that we were gifted money to buy a house (against inheritance) so we bought a house based on that amount of money, coming under that price so we could have a cushion for things that we didn't budget for....after the deal was made, all of a sudden we were gifted 10,000 less than promised...our budget is so tight I can't even tell you, on top of that, we had to totally re plumb, which was unexpected. Dont' have any money of our own in that we live in poverty to start out with...a friend told me not to worry because God always finishes what He starts, beautiful words of wisdom but not always easy to live in trust of if you know what I mean....lol...how bad is the car situation?

The car is nothing I haven't dealt with before. I'm broke, too. Born and raised. lol Nobody's going hungry and the internet is still on, so it's merely inconvenient at the moment. I'm just a spoiled American girl, what can I say?

It's funny though, how after you walk through hell, the things that were world-endingly bad before seem, meh, not that bad now. Guess the Lord growed me up a bit.

 

[razzelflabben]

The car is nothing I haven't dealt with before. I'm broke, too. Born and raised. lol Nobody's going hungry and the internet is still on, so it's merely inconvenient at the moment. I'm just a spoiled American girl, what can I say?

It's funny though, how after you walk through hell, the things that were world-endingly bad before seem, meh, not that bad now. Guess the Lord growed me up a bit.

People think I'm crazy, but I really don't mind poverty so much...don't get me wrong, I struggle when we can't meet our needs, especially when there is no food in the house, but all in all, I really don't mind the struggle, it reminds me to keep my eyes and trust on God...this move however, gives us enough land to raise our own food, which will be huge if (when) we make it through the winter and there won't be any house payment either...Go God! been praying for such an opportunity for years.

Your location says you in backwoods ohio, is that anywhere near the backwoods festival in thornville? We worked that show one year...

 

[seeingeyes]

People think I'm crazy, but I really don't mind poverty so much...don't get me wrong, I struggle when we can't meet our needs, especially when there is no food in the house, but all in all, I really don't mind the struggle, it reminds me to keep my eyes and trust on God...this move however, gives us enough land to raise our own food, which will be huge if (when) we make it through the winter and there won't be any house payment either...Go God! been praying for such an opportunity for years.

Your location says you in backwoods ohio, is that anywhere near the backwoods festival in thornville? We worked that show one year...

I feel the same way. I once took a 'spiritual gifts test' at a retreat, and my two 'top scores' were in 'discernment' and 'voluntary poverty'. I asked them how I did on involuntary poverty. lol

Many folks say that small farming is a lot harder these days than in the past because the farming community just doesn't exist anymore. There's a great book by Gene Logsdon called The Contrary Farmer about small scale homesteading. He's got some acres in Sandusky and he talks a lot about trial and error. Very down to earth.

I'm up in Ashtabula county. I say 'backwoods' 'cause I'm in the middle of nowhere.

 

[razzelflabben]

I feel the same way. I once took a 'spiritual gifts test' at a retreat, and my two 'top scores' were in 'discernment' and 'voluntary poverty'. I asked them how I did on involuntary poverty. lol

Many folks say that small farming is a lot harder these days than in the past because the farming community just doesn't exist anymore. There's a great book by Gene Logsdon called The Contrary Farmer about small scale homesteading. He's got some acres in Sandusky and he talks a lot about trial and error. Very down to earth.

I'm up in Ashtabula county. I say 'backwoods' 'cause I'm in the middle of nowhere.

Middle of nowhere is where I like best...I remember the first night we stayed out here, our youngest (13) kept saying, "It's so quiet, I haven't heard any sirens"...physically I feel tons better out here, not near so many allergens (mine are mostly chemicals) don't have much land, but enough, so looking forward to garden, orchard and critters...God has definitely provided a miracle for us...the hard part is trusting that He will finish the miracle He has begun, but we are working on that, had to put in a lot of effort to deal with our sons death, this should be a walk in the park... notice the word should...lol...morrow county here on this end....

 

[razzelflabben]

When will people who know better stop being stupid, insensitive, pains in my rear? When will I run out of tears, from their stupidity and prideful boasts?

 

[seeingeyes]

When will people who know better stop being stupid, insensitive, pains in my rear? When will I run out of tears, from their stupidity and prideful boasts?

"During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek." (Hebrews 5:7-10)

You are only called to walk where he walked first.

Peace to you, sister.

 

[razzelflabben]

"During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek." (Hebrews 5:7-10)

You are only called to walk where he walked first.

Peace to you, sister.

thanks, got thrown for a loop by someone who knows better, but I guess that is what you should expect when you pray for God to reveal what is hidden in the darkness (someone who pretends to be something they are not, hurt several people in just the last little bit because of it)

 

[footballmommy]

Its funny how when you feel bonded to so many of us in the same 'poor' situation. There never seems to be enough to go around, doesn't matter how much my husband works there is always another bill to be paid that we didn't expect. It gets to be a challenge at times to keep your spirits up but then I read stories like these and don't feel so alone. My little volvo has 198k miles on it and I am praying that it gets me through the winter. And it needs new tires, and the septic needs to be pumped, I have hockey and braces to pay for, blah blah blah. But still think at the end of the day my glass is half full so thats a good thing.

 

[razzelflabben]

Its funny how when you feel bonded to so many of us in the same 'poor' situation. There never seems to be enough to go around, doesn't matter how much my husband works there is always another bill to be paid that we didn't expect. It gets to be a challenge at times to keep your spirits up but then I read stories like these and don't feel so alone. My little volvo has 198k miles on it and I am praying that it gets me through the winter. And it needs new tires, and the septic needs to be pumped, I have hockey and braces to pay for, blah blah blah. But still think at the end of the day my glass is half full so thats a good thing.

your far from alone...we are anxious to have company at our new home, but struggle to feed ourselves, much less company...in the end though, it is learning to be content no matter the situation, that brings about the righteousness that we need in our lives.

May you find contentment in your situation, and God's favor in your life.

 

[OliverC]

Hi razzelflabben
In answer to your op, my impression is that people often think and talk emotionally rather than logically. So people will comment on what they feel, not what is logically appropriate given the situation. Your situation does not require other personal emotional opinions as the situation is what it is. You know what it implies and logically that is enough.

I don't mean that they shouldn't feel sad or compassion for you, but rather they react emotionally in ways which result in more harm than the situation dictates logically. Does that makes sense?

Ultimately it comes down to a egocentric view. They consider something that happens to you, to be happening directly to them and they don't question the limitations in their reaction to that. They may even seek you out to let you know that.

Also it comes down to lack of education and manners (but you know that already).

Please ignore if this comes across crass, that is definitely not what I want to communicate. Best wishes to you and your family.

 

[razzelflabben]

Hi razzelflabben
In answer to your op, my impression is that people often think and talk emotionally rather than logically. So people will comment on what they feel, not what is logically appropriate given the situation. Your situation does not require other personal emotional opinions as the situation is what it is. You know what it implies and logically that is enough.

I don't mean that they shouldn't feel sad or compassion for you, but rather they react emotionally in ways which result in more harm than the situation dictates logically. Does that makes sense?

Ultimately it comes down to a egocentric view. They consider something that happens to you, to be happening directly to them and they don't question the limitations in their reaction to that. They may even seek you out to let you know that.

Also it comes down to lack of education and manners (but you know that already).

Please ignore if this comes across crass, that is definitely not what I want to communicate. Best wishes to you and your family.

In this latest incident, the self centered, prideful nature of man was very obvious, so I can definitely see your point. Which is maybe part of my problem...not only do the things being said tear my heart out all over again, but the very sinful nature of pride that I see tears my heart out for them as well...now don't get me wrong, we all battle pride, that is just life, but I have been studying and teaching biblical love for about 5 years now, and the center or core of Love is humility...it breaks my heart to see people who claim to love so filled with pride that they can't even see what love is. I know that may sound crazy to a lot of people, but these people mean a lot to me and getting people to understand God's Love is my passion and ministry, so seeing this type of thing, hurts on two levels, one for the personal loss and secondly for the sin that is consuming them...does that make any sense at all? I often find myself so invested in the lives of others that these things consume me until I struggle with them in the Lord in prayer.

 

[OliverC]

Yes, sometimes being a good, loving person brings with the difficulty that others cannot live up to our own expectations.

That might sound presumptuous but what I mean is that we cannot expect the world to change but we can focus on being good people and not letting the world corrupt us. Included in that corruption are the sins or ignorant or disrespect behaviour of others (even when they themselves are not aware). It this very acceptance of sin and the more base parts of life around us (on the news or even in our community), that can give us more strength and humility to keep going with strength in life. It doesn't mean passivity, but a proactive wisdom to see that others act on lesser influences, influences which even we cannot bring them to see (but only God's intervention when He himself feels that His grace is due).

Sorry to lecture. :o

 

[razzelflabben]

Yes, sometimes being a good, loving person brings with the difficulty that others cannot live up to our own expectations.

That might sound presumptuous but what I mean is that we cannot expect the world to change but we can focus on being good people and not letting the world corrupt us. Included in that corruption are the sins or ignorant or disrespect behaviour of others (even when they themselves are not aware). It this very acceptance of sin and the more base parts of life around us (on the news or even in our community), that can give us more strength and humility to keep going with strength in life. It doesn't mean passivity, but a proactive wisdom to see that others act on lesser influences, influences which even we cannot bring them to see (but only God's intervention when He himself feels that His grace is due).

Sorry to lecture. :o

no worries...I've been actively praying for these people for a long time, I also know if they had a clue how much they hurt us, some of them at least would be mortified at their behavior. So we pray, continue to teach, and continue to strive to be the people we are called to be...along the way we will get hurt, it's pretty much a guarantee.

May we learn to Love like Jesus Loved, may we learn to listen like Christ listens, and may we in that, demonstrate to the world a living God who neither sleeps nor slumbers.

 

[footballmommy]

I was honestly having this discussion five minutes ago about how we raise the bar for our own behavior and way that we live and there is a natural expectation that others will rise to the same. It is so hard to be disappointed or feel bad that others don't treat you in the same manner or with the same consideration that you extend to them, in whatever way, shape or form it's done. Makes it very hard to keep the faith that people are kind and decent.

 

[razzelflabben]

I was honestly having this discussion five minutes ago about how we raise the bar for our own behavior and way that we live and there is a natural expectation that others will rise to the same. It is so hard to be disappointed or feel bad that others don't treat you in the same manner or with the same consideration that you extend to them, in whatever way, shape or form it's done. Makes it very hard to keep the faith that people are kind and decent.

Oh if only you knew.......got a phone call last night from someone who was hurt very badly by someone that should know different...sometimes, it seems like all I do is listen to people who have been hurt and try to comfort them...well, that is a long and totally different story, so best left there...it makes me wonder though, how grieved our Lord is, when our hearts are this broken over the sin of others? And how many times He grieves over our own sin that we don't see?

 

[OliverC]

no worries...I've been actively praying for these people for a long time, I also know if they had a clue how much they hurt us, some of them at least would be mortified at their behavior. So we pray, continue to teach, and continue to strive to be the people we are called to be...along the way we will get hurt, it's pretty much a guarantee.

May we learn to Love like Jesus Loved, may we learn to listen like Christ listens, and may we in that, demonstrate to the world a living God who neither sleeps nor slumbers.

Hello Razzelflabben
I opened the bible today and this verse reminded me of your post above, I hope it isn't presumptuous of me to post this verse in connection, but I felt some guidance from it:


7 Whoever instructs the cynic gets insulted;
whoever corrects the wicked gets hurt.
8 Don’t correct the impudent, or they will hate you;
correct the wise, and they will love you.
9 Teach the wise, and they will become wiser;
inform the righteous, and their learning will increase.
10 The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord;
the knowledge of the holy one is understanding.
11 Through me your days will be many;
years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, it is to your benefit;
if you are cynical, you will bear it all alone.
Proverbs 9.

Enjoy your day!

 

[razzelflabben]

Hello Razzelflabben
I opened the bible today and this verse reminded me of your post above, I hope it isn't presumptuous of me to post this verse in connection, but I felt some guidance from it:


7 Whoever instructs the cynic gets insulted;
whoever corrects the wicked gets hurt.
8 Don’t correct the impudent, or they will hate you;
correct the wise, and they will love you.
9 Teach the wise, and they will become wiser;
inform the righteous, and their learning will increase.
10 The beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord;
the knowledge of the holy one is understanding.
11 Through me your days will be many;
years will be added to your life.
12 If you are wise, it is to your benefit;
if you are cynical, you will bear it all alone.
Proverbs 9.

Enjoy your day!

actually more appropriate than you know...thanks

 

[razzelflabben]

I come here to complain a lot, so I just wanted to let everyone know that I can come here in "good" times too...today is a good day, I still miss my son, but I don't want to just sit down and cry, I know he is happy and safe in the arms of my Lord and King and that is all a mother could ask for. Wish our eldest would turn from his "wicked" ways, but that is another story and saved for another day...may you know peace in the mist of every storm, may you know the joy that comes in the midst of sorrow.