Anyone have a brief overview of what is to come?

Seville90210 · Sep 27, 2018

BABerean2 said:
We are now in the times of the Gentiles.
Based on Luke 21:24-28, that time period ends at the Second Coming of Christ.

Trump to Netanyahu: ‘I like’ two-state solution, want peace in ‘my first term’

Trump to Netanyahu: ‘I like’ two-state solution, want peace in ‘my first term’

At warm meeting, Trump jolts Netanyahu by explicitly backing two-state solution

At warm meeting, Trump jolts Netanyahu by explicitly backing two-state solution

Trump says "I like two-state solution" in Middle East -- live updates

Trump says "I like two-state solution" in Middle East -- live updates - CBS News

See! What did I tell you several days ago about Jerusalem partially becoming a city for the gentiles for 42 months in the near future (during the tribulation). Trump's two-state solution will give Palestinians a portion of Jerusalem to have as their own. The coming peace deal will fulfill Luke 21:24 (time of the gentiles) and Revelation 11:2 when the Palestinians will own a part of Jerusalem for 42 months and thread the city as their own.

God said the holy city is given unto the Gentiles for 42 months.

Revelation 11:2 King James Version (KJV)
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Jerusalem has been occupied by Jews and gentiles for thousands of years but has never in history been own by or made a capital to a gentile nation. Non-Jewish occupation in the past and present does not fulfilled this prophecy. Revelation 11:2 is telling you a part of Jerusalem will be given to the gentiles. Don't be surprise if Donald Trump's peace plan (to be announce this coming week or a revision in the near future) involves giving East Jerusalem to the Palestinians as their capital with West Jerusalem being Israel's capital.

Seville90210 said:
The times of the Gentiles is a near future prophecy about Jerusalem that last only 42 months in length. The church age is not the times of the gentiles as it consists of both Jews and gentile Christians. Luke, Paul and Matthew were all Jewish followers representing the church.

Luke 21:24 King James Version (KJV)
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2 King James Version (KJV)
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Jerusalem has been occupied by Jews and gentiles for thousands of years but has never in history been own by or made a capital to a gentile nation. Non-Jewish occupation in the past and present does not fulfilled this prophecy. Revelation 11:2 is telling you a part of Jerusalem will be given to the gentiles. Don't be surprise if Donald Trump's peace plan (to be announce this coming week or a revision in the near future) involves giving East Jerusalem to the Palestinians as their capital with West Jerusalem being Israel's capital.

BABerean2 · Sep 27, 2018

Seville90210 said:
See! What did I tell you several days ago about Jerusalem partially becoming a city for the gentiles for 42 months in the near future (during the tribulation).

See... What did Jesus tell you?

Luk 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Luk 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

Your newspaper exegesis does not change the words of Christ found above.

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iamlamad · Sep 27, 2018

Seville90210 said:
Trump to Netanyahu: ‘I like’ two-state solution, want peace in ‘my first term’

Trump to Netanyahu: ‘I like’ two-state solution, want peace in ‘my first term’

At warm meeting, Trump jolts Netanyahu by explicitly backing two-state solution

At warm meeting, Trump jolts Netanyahu by explicitly backing two-state solution

Trump says "I like two-state solution" in Middle East -- live updates

Trump says "I like two-state solution" in Middle East -- live updates - CBS News

See! What did I tell you several days ago about Jerusalem partially becoming a city for the gentiles for 42 months in the near future (during the tribulation). Trump's two-state solution will give Palestinians a portion of Jerusalem to have as their own. The coming peace deal will fulfill Luke 21:24 (time of the gentiles) and Revelation 11:2 when the Palestinians will own a part of Jerusalem for 42 months and thread the city as their own.

God said the holy city is given unto the Gentiles for 42 months.

Revelation 11:2 King James Version (KJV)
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Jerusalem has been occupied by Jews and gentiles for thousands of years but has never in history been own by or made a capital to a gentile nation. Non-Jewish occupation in the past and present does not fulfilled this prophecy. Revelation 11:2 is telling you a part of Jerusalem will be given to the gentiles. Don't be surprise if Donald Trump's peace plan (to be announce this coming week or a revision in the near future) involves giving East Jerusalem to the Palestinians as their capital with West Jerusalem being Israel's capital.

Sorry, but President Trump is NOT who will start the 42 months of trampling. That will begin at the midpoint of the week (actually just before the midpoint) when the man of sin arrives in Jerusalem with his Gentile armies. After all, he must BE in Jerusalem if he is to enter the temple in Jerusalem.

iamlamad · Sep 27, 2018

JohnB445 said:
What was the most recent prophesy that has been fulfilled or is being now?

What are we to expect in the Future?

Here is the order of things to come:

1 thes 4:
1: Jesus comes
2: the dead in Christ rise - causing a worldwide earthquake: Paul's sudden destruction

3. the earth begins to shake

4. Two groups of people get two different results: those in Christ get raptured and escape God's wrath - those in darkness GET His wrath.

5. Those in Christ are gathering and on their way to meet Christ in the clouds.

6. Paul's "sudden destruction" earthquake is worldwide - because the dead in Christ are worldwide.

7. THE DAY starts with this earth quake. God's WRATH begins with this earthquake / sudden destruction

In Revelation this will take place a moment before the 6th seal: rapture first, then sudden destruction earthquake of the 6th seal. But the "tribulation" or 70th week does not start until the 7th seal - I am guessing ten days later (the ten days of awe).

8. Next will come the first 6 trumpet judgments

9. The man of sin enters Jerusalem with his Gentile armies: the city will be trampled for 42 months. The Two witnesses show up and begin.

10. Then the 7th trumpet will mark the exact midpoint. The Kingdoms of the word are given to Jesus Christ.

11. A second or two later, 12:6 takes place and those in Judea begin to flee.
12: As those in Judea begin to flee, Michael is going after Satan to cats him down.
13. John sees the beast arising.

14. God sends three angels to warn people to worship God, Babylon is fallen is fallen, and not to take the mark.

15. The false prophet shows up and the image is erected. The mark is created and now enforcement begins: any who refuse to bow will lose their head.

16. the beheaded begin to show up in heaven.

17. The beast and False prophet go nuts - on a murder rampage! It seems - their may be no elect that will escape.

18. God pours out the vials of His wrath - probably the first 6 in one hour of time. this stops the great tribulation: TIME will go on but no tribulation associated with it. The armies of the beast are stopped.

19. The two witnesses are killed.

20 the 7th vial is poured out. The Old TEstament saints rise, along with the two witnesses. The days of GT are over. The entire 7oth week is over. Jesus remains in heaven.

20: the 42 months of trampling are over: the armies of the beast move out into the valley.

20: the 1260 days of testifying ended 3 1/2 days previous. The two witnesses were killed.
21: The marriage and supper are taking place in heaven.
22: Jesus returns to earth WITH His bride. Armageddon takes place.
23: the Beast and false prophet are caught.
24: the 1290 days and the 1335 days comes into play about here.

THIS is John's chronology. Any thing other than this is myth.

Seville90210 · Sep 29, 2018

BABerean2 said:
See... What did Jesus tell you?

Luk 21:24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Luk 21:25 "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Luk 21:27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near."

Your newspaper exegesis does not change the words of Christ found above.

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Your problem is you don't understand the prophecies Jesus tells you and cannot relate to what's happening in world events today that ties into the prophecies mentioned in the bible. A good scholar is not just one who can properly and accurately interpret prophecies, but he/she is also one who can identify prophecies as it's being fulfill as it gradually unfolds.

The "times of the Gentiles" is a near future prophecy about Jerusalem that will last only 42 months in length. The church age is not the times of the gentiles as it consists of both Jews and gentile Christians. Luke, Paul and Matthew were all Jewish followers representing the church.

Luke 21:24 King James Version (KJV)
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2 King James Version (KJV)
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

God said the holy city (Jerusalem) is given unto the gentiles for forty and two months.

Jerusalem has always been occupied by Jews and gentiles for thousands of years but has never in history been own by or made a capital to a gentile nation. Non-Jewish occupation in the past and present does not fulfilled this prophecy. Revelation 11:2 is telling you a part of Jerusalem will be given to the gentiles. Don't be surprise if Donald Trump's peace plan (to be announce this coming week or a revision in the near future) involves giving East Jerusalem to the Palestinians as their capital with West Jerusalem being Israel's capital.

Donald Trump's recent announcement of a two state solution would give the Palestinians a part of Jerusalem to have as their capital.

Seville90210 · Sep 29, 2018

iamlamad said:
Here is the order of things to come:

1 thes 4:
1: Jesus comes
2: the dead in Christ rise - causing a worldwide earthquake: Paul's sudden destruction

3. the earth begins to shake

4. Two groups of people get two different results: those in Christ get raptured and escape God's wrath - those in darkness GET His wrath.

5. Those in Christ are gathering and on their way to meet Christ in the clouds.

6. Paul's "sudden destruction" earthquake is worldwide - because the dead in Christ are worldwide.

7. THE DAY starts with this earth quake. God's WRATH begins with this earthquake / sudden destruction

In Revelation this will take place a moment before the 6th seal: rapture first, then sudden destruction earthquake of the 6th seal. But the "tribulation" or 70th week does not start until the 7th seal - I am guessing ten days later (the ten days of awe).

8. Next will come the first 6 trumpet judgments

9. The man of sin enters Jerusalem with his Gentile armies: the city will be trampled for 42 months. The Two witnesses show up and begin.

10. Then the 7th trumpet will mark the exact midpoint. The Kingdoms of the word are given to Jesus Christ.

11. A second or two later, 12:6 takes place and those in Judea begin to flee.
12: As those in Judea begin to flee, Michael is going after Satan to cats him down.
13. John sees the beast arising.

14. God sends three angels to warn people to worship God, Babylon is fallen is fallen, and not to take the mark.

15. The false prophet shows up and the image is erected. The mark is created and now enforcement begins: any who refuse to bow will lose their head.

16. the beheaded begin to show up in heaven.

17. The beast and False prophet go nuts - on a murder rampage! It seems - their may be no elect that will escape.

18. God pours out the vials of His wrath - probably the first 6 in one hour of time. this stops the great tribulation: TIME will go on but no tribulation associated with it. The armies of the beast are stopped.

19. The two witnesses are killed.

20 the 7th vial is poured out. The Old TEstament saints rise, along with the two witnesses. The days of GT are over. The entire 7oth week is over. Jesus remains in heaven.

20: the 42 months of trampling are over: the armies of the beast move out into the valley.

20: the 1260 days of testifying ended 3 1/2 days previous. The two witnesses were killed.
21: The marriage and supper are taking place in heaven.
22: Jesus returns to earth WITH His bride. Armageddon takes place.
23: the Beast and false prophet are caught.
24: the 1290 days and the 1335 days comes into play about here.

THIS is John's chronology. Any thing other than this is myth.

Lamad, where do you fit the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple that will happen during the tribulation?

Seville90210 · Sep 29, 2018

iamlamad said:
Sorry, but President Trump is NOT who will start the 42 months of trampling. That will begin at the midpoint of the week (actually just before the midpoint) when the man of sin arrives in Jerusalem with his Gentile armies. After all, he must BE in Jerusalem if he is to enter the temple in Jerusalem.

You're jumping ahead of yourself, the 42 months is not what starts the tribulation, neither does the confirmation of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 as many have been lead to believe. A simple error interpretation that caught on fire. I'm pretty sure it's an honest mistake. However, the tribulation begins at the rapture of the church as told by Jesus in Matthew 24:32-41 and confirmed in Revelation 6:12-8:6 where the church is seen taken into heaven to the throne room of God during the 6th seal and the tribulation commences at the 7th seal.

Douggg · Sep 29, 2018

Seville90210 said:
You're jumping ahead of yourself, the 42 months is not what starts the tribulation, neither does the confirmation of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 as many have been lead to believe. A simple error interpretation that caught on fire. I'm pretty sure it's an honest mistake. However, the tribulation begins at the rapture of the church as told by Jesus in Matthew 24:32-41 and confirmed in Revelation 6:12-8:6 where the church is seen taken into heaven to the throne room of God during the 6th seal and the tribulation commences at the 7th seal.

Seville, if you use the term "the tribulation" you are going to cause a lot a confusion of what exactly do you mean? Others could misinterpret what you mean.

More identifiable terms would "the great tribulation", "the 70th week" , "the 7 years".

For most of the first half of the 7 years - it will not be tribulation, certainly not correlating with the great tribulation, because the world will be thinking it is living in a (false) messianic age.
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Welcome to the forum, btw.

Choose Wisely · Sep 29, 2018

iamlamad said:
Here is the order of things to come:

1 thes 4:
1: Jesus comes
2: the dead in Christ rise - causing a worldwide earthquake: Paul's sudden destruction

3. the earth begins to shake

4. Two groups of people get two different results: those in Christ get raptured and escape God's wrath - those in darkness GET His wrath.

5. Those in Christ are gathering and on their way to meet Christ in the clouds.

6. Paul's "sudden destruction" earthquake is worldwide - because the dead in Christ are worldwide.

7. THE DAY starts with this earth quake. God's WRATH begins with this earthquake / sudden destruction

In Revelation this will take place a moment before the 6th seal: rapture first, then sudden destruction earthquake of the 6th seal. But the "tribulation" or 70th week does not start until the 7th seal - I am guessing ten days later (the ten days of awe).

8. Next will come the first 6 trumpet judgments

9. The man of sin enters Jerusalem with his Gentile armies: the city will be trampled for 42 months. The Two witnesses show up and begin.

10. Then the 7th trumpet will mark the exact midpoint. The Kingdoms of the word are given to Jesus Christ.

11. A second or two later, 12:6 takes place and those in Judea begin to flee.
12: As those in Judea begin to flee, Michael is going after Satan to cats him down.
13. John sees the beast arising.

14. God sends three angels to warn people to worship God, Babylon is fallen is fallen, and not to take the mark.

15. The false prophet shows up and the image is erected. The mark is created and now enforcement begins: any who refuse to bow will lose their head.

16. the beheaded begin to show up in heaven.

17. The beast and False prophet go nuts - on a murder rampage! It seems - their may be no elect that will escape.

18. God pours out the vials of His wrath - probably the first 6 in one hour of time. this stops the great tribulation: TIME will go on but no tribulation associated with it. The armies of the beast are stopped.

19. The two witnesses are killed.

20 the 7th vial is poured out. The Old TEstament saints rise, along with the two witnesses. The days of GT are over. The entire 7oth week is over. Jesus remains in heaven.

20: the 42 months of trampling are over: the armies of the beast move out into the valley.

20: the 1260 days of testifying ended 3 1/2 days previous. The two witnesses were killed.
21: The marriage and supper are taking place in heaven.
22: Jesus returns to earth WITH His bride. Armageddon takes place.
23: the Beast and false prophet are caught.
24: the 1290 days and the 1335 days comes into play about here.

THIS is John's chronology. Any thing other than this is myth.

No, this is your chronology. This is your imagination. Until you understand that the coming of Matt 24 is the coming of Revelation 6 you are pounding square pegs into round holes.

Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Luke 21
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Rev 6
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

Choose Wisely · Sep 29, 2018

Seville90210 said:
You're jumping ahead of yourself, the 42 months is not what starts the tribulation, neither does the confirmation of the covenant in Daniel 9:27 as many have been lead to believe. A simple error interpretation that caught on fire. I'm pretty sure it's an honest mistake. However, the tribulation begins at the rapture of the church as told by Jesus in Matthew 24:32-41 and confirmed in Revelation 6:12-8:6 where the church is seen taken into heaven to the throne room of God during the 6th seal and the tribulation commences at the 7th seal.

Hey Seville,

Couldn't quite see catch what you were referring to with Revelation 6:12-8:6.

However, there is no rapture of the church in Rev 6. There is a rapture, but it's not the church.

You are correct that the rapture shown in Matt 24:32-41 when it's like the days of Noah is the church.

However the Rapture that occurs in Rev 6 occurs when it's like the days of Lot. The very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes........the Day of the Lord begins. The wrath begins.

Choose Wisely · Sep 29, 2018

The coming of Christ in Matt 24 is the gathering...........it is not when Christ returns on a white horse.

BABerean2 · Sep 29, 2018

Seville90210 said:
Your problem is you don't understand the prophecies Jesus tells you and cannot relate to what's happening in world events today that ties into the prophecies mentioned in the bible. A good scholar is not just one who can properly and accurately interpret prophecies, but he/she is also one who can identify prophecies as it's being fulfill as it gradually unfolds.

If you mean I do not use "newspaper exegesis", then you would be correct.

I also do not rip one verse out of its context to make a man-made doctrine work, as you have done by focusing on part of Luke 21:24, and ignoring the other verses in Luke 21:20-28.

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Choose Wisely · Sep 29, 2018

BABerean2 said:
If you mean I do not use "newspaper exegesis", then you would be correct.

I also do not rip one verse out of its context to make a man-made doctrine work, as you have done by focusing on part of Luke 21:24, and ignoring the other verses in Luke 21:20-28.

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LOL, Come on BABerean2, you are king of pulling a verse out of context. No one does it better......or worse

Douggg · Sep 29, 2018

Choose Wisely said:
Hey Seville,

Couldn't quite see catch what you were referring to with Revelation 6:12-8:6.

However, there is no rapture of the church in Rev 6. There is a rapture, but it's not the church.

You are correct that the rapture shown in Matt 24:32-41 when it's like the days of Noah is the church.

However the Rapture that occurs in Rev 6 occurs when it's like the days of Lot. The very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes........the Day of the Lord begins. The wrath begins.

CW, you have two 1Thessalonians4:15-18 events - one as in the days of Noah, and another in the days of Lor?

I am thinking one event. We are living in a time like the days of Noah - the world full of violence. And we are living in a time like the days of Lot - blatant homosexuality without shame.

I don't see any resurrection/rapture event expressed in Revelation 6.

The resurrection/rapture could be represented in Revelation 4, John caught up.

BABerean2 · Sep 29, 2018

Choose Wisely said:
LOL, Come on BABerean2, you are king of pulling a verse out of context. No one does it better......or worse

All of the rest of us would be mere amateurs, when compared to Dispensationalists.

You have perfected it to an art-form with "the time of Jacob's trouble", and a gap, and antichrist in Daniel 9, and a pretrib removal of the Church in 1 Thessalonians chapters 4 and 5, etc., ...

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Choose Wisely · Sep 29, 2018

Douggg said:
CW, you have two 1Thessalonians4:15-18 events - one as in the days of Noah, and another in the days of Lor?

I am thinking one event. We are living in a time like the days of Noah - the world full of violence. And we are living in a time like the days of Lot - blatant homosexuality without shame.

I don't see any resurrection/rapture event expressed in Revelation 6.

The resurrection/rapture could be represented in Revelation 4, John caught up.

Hey Douggg,

Matt 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Rev 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Matt 24 shows a coming of Christ. It is the same coming that is shown in Rev 6. In Rev 7 you will see.......
Rev 7
9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

He came.......before the wrath of God in Rev 6. A pre wrath rapture. It is like the days of Lot. The very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes.

The church is raptured Pre trib. It will be like the days of Noah. They were eating and drinking until the day that Noah entered the ark........7 days before the flood.

Douggg · Sep 29, 2018

Choose Wisely said:
Matt 24 shows a coming of Christ. It is the same coming that is shown in Rev 6. In Rev 7 you will see.......

I am agreeing with the Matthew 24, Revelation 6, sixth seal connection you are making. But Revelation 7, the great multitude, I am thinking is persons who missed the rapture, but become believers afterward.

Choose Wisely said:
He came.......before the wrath of God in Rev 6. A pre wrath rapture. It is like the days of Lot. The very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes.

The church is raptured Pre trib. It will be like the days of Noah. They were eating and drinking until the day that Noah entered the ark........7 days before the flood.

Well, how far pre-wrath? Another thing is in Revelation 6, it is the wrath of the Lamb, who is God, yes - but specifically as Jesus. In the 5th seal, to me, those are the ones in Revelation 7 - and in the sixth seal, Jesus is about to execute vengeance for their deaths as they pray for it in the 5th seal.

As a distinction, the wrath of God is in the vials. I think that has more to do with God's wrath upon Satan's kingdom of Babylon the great, crashed down to earth and giving power to the beast and his kingdom.

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The not appointed unto wrath in 1Thessalonians5 is pointing to the rapture.

Tying the wrath of God to take place during the Day of the Lord. Which the beginning years are supposed to start suddenly, unexpected when the world is saying peace and safety.

The Day of the Lord is triggered by the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God... so that has to take place unexpectedly as the world is saying peace and safety - which would be because the concept of the Antichrist - is the another the Jews embrace as their messiah, anointed the King of Israel (illegitimate).

So it all ties together, following Gog/Magog, the Jews think the prince who shall come, is their messiah. He is anointed the King of Israel. That creates the peace and safety thinking.

Since we are not in darkness - all this is suspected by Christians right now in the general sense - it is about to happen - and the rapture. The rapture could happen anytime, even this very second, or anytime between now and when the Antichrist commits the act.

Pre-wrath - apart from the classic pre-wrath rapture concept of being before the wrath of God in Revelation 16, but after the beast is in power, which that pre-wrath is kind of a misnomer, like pre-trib... could be anytime between now and the Antichrist committing the 2Thessalonians2:4 act.

keras · Sep 29, 2018

Choose Wisely said:
The church is raptured Pre trib. It will be like the days of Noah. They were eating and drinking until the day that Noah entered the ark........7 days before the flood.

The world is now 'as in the days of Noah'.
There are many indications that Judgement is imminent.

CW, you should NEVER make a statement like 'the church is raptured pre-trib', without solid scriptural support. Until you provide such proof, I will continue to call the 'rapture to heaven', a false theory.

Choose Wisely · Sep 29, 2018

Douggg said:
I am agreeing with the Matthew 24, Revelation 6, sixth seal connection you are making. But Revelation 7, the great multitude, I am thinking is persons who missed the rapture, but become believers afterward.

If you look in Matt 24 you will see that the great multitude is gathered from heaven and earth. I think that means the church will be gathered from heaven as they were raptured before the tribulation began. Those taken from earth are of the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth.
Matt 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Douggg said:
Well, how far pre-wrath?

I would say immediately after the tribulation Jesus comes. Everyone that is left on earth sees Him in the clouds so they hide in the rocks and caves. They know the wrath is coming. When the 7th seal is opened there is silence in heaven for a half hour and then the trumpets of wrath begin.

Douggg said:
Another thing is in Revelation 6, it is the wrath of the Lamb, who is God, yes - but specifically as Jesus. In the 5th seal, to me, those are the ones in Revelation 7 - and in the sixth seal, Jesus is about to execute vengeance for their deaths as they pray for it in the 5th seal.

Would say they are part of it.

Douggg said:
The not appointed unto wrath in 1Thessalonians5 is pointing to the rapture.

Tying the wrath of God to take place during the Day of the Lord. Which the beginning years are supposed to start suddenly, unexpected when the world is saying peace and safety.

The Day of the Lord is triggered by the Antichrist going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God... so that has to take place unexpectedly as the world is saying peace and safety - which would be because the concept of the Antichrist - is the another the Jews embrace as their messiah, anointed the King of Israel (illegitimate).

After restudying this, I think that the abomination of desolation is what triggers the final part of the tribulation. Then Jesus comes for the gathering of Matt 24 and then the wrath of God begins.

Douggg said:
So it all ties together, following Gog/Magog, the Jews think the prince who shall come, is their messiah. He is anointed the King of Israel. That creates the peace and safety thinking.

I really don't see Gog/Magog happening until the end of the 1000 years. First, that's what the Bible says and second, there is no room for it. The rider on the white horse goes conquering and to conquer. The world is a mess through the seals and then they say peace and safety and sudden destruction comes.

Douggg said:
Since we are not in darkness - all this is suspected by Christians right now in the general sense - it is about to happen - and the rapture. The rapture could happen anytime, even this very second, or anytime between now and when the Antichrist commits the act.

I believe there will be two raptures. The church.....mostly Gentiles will be raptured pre trib. The GOODMAN will not know when the master is coming. In an hour that you think not, the son of man comes.
The second rapture will be pre wrath. This will be the of the 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth. We can tell what the harvest is because we know what the 1st fruits of the harvest are. The first fruits of the harvest are 144000........12,000 from each tribe. They will not be in darkness when the master comes. They will see what is coming on the earth including the signs of the sun, moon and stars. They are told to look up, there redemption draws nigh. They will know when He is coming and understand that he comes at the last trump...........Blown on the feast of trumpets.

Douggg said:
Pre-wrath - apart from the classic pre-wrath rapture concept of being before the wrath of God in Revelation 16, but after the beast is in power, which that pre-wrath is kind of a misnomer, like pre-trib... could be anytime between now and the Antichrist committing the 2Thessalonians2:4 act .

The church will be raptured pre trib. It will be like the days of Noah. This happens before the wars and rumors of wars. It happens before the famines and pestilence spoken of in Matt 24. These thing which are coming on the earth are the things that we as believers can escape.
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
When He comes it will be a secret rapture. The world will go into chaos.........and the ark doors will be shut. Noah is in the ark 7 days before the flood.
The 12 tribes that are scattered across the earth will be raptured pre wrath. The very day Lot left Sodom, destruction came.

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keras said:
The world is now 'as in the days of Noah'.
There are many indications that Judgement is imminent.

CW, you should NEVER make a statement like 'the church is raptured pre-trib', without solid scriptural support. Until you provide such proof, I will continue to call the 'rapture to heaven', a false theory.

There is plenty of scriptural support, but you certainly will not find it until you look for it. If you would merely seek......you would find. Here we see the elect being gathered from earth......and heaven

Matt 24
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Anyone have a brief overview of what is to come?

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