Any seventh day baptists here?

[Goodbook]

As far as I know the SDAs follow a lady called Ellen G white and what she says about the bible rather than what it actually says.

 

[Dave-W]

As far as I know the SDAs follow a lady called Ellen G white and what she says about the bible rather than what it actually says.

Only the more conservative traditionalists hold to that. They are losing ground (congregation by congregation) to the more evangelical factions. ( a very good thing IMO)

 

[rstrats]

Albion,
re: "I think the reference is to Ecclesiastes 12:7"

Are you suggesting that "spirit" is another word for "soul" - that they are one and the same thing?

 

[Dave-W]

Albion,
re: "I think the reference is to Ecclesiastes 12:7"

Are you suggesting that "spirit" is another word for "soul" - that they are one and the same thing?

There is a big difference between ruach and nefesh.

 

[tall73]

Only the more conservative traditionalists hold to that. They are losing ground (congregation by congregation) to the more evangelical factions. ( a very good thing IMO)

Yes there are liberal Adventist churches who either do not believe her writings are authoritative, or more commonly just ignore them largely. And then there are some who accept them but go into lengthy explanations on the nature of inspiration to try to reconcile what she said with the Scriptures.

On the other hand certainly most of the clergy in a majority of the congregations do believe her writings are authoritative in some fashion. And so while only the more conservative members read her works and actually try to apply them to their lifestyle, others who do not read her works are still impacted. Her writings are so pervasive in the church as a whole that many of the notions people have that they think are from the Bible are actually from Ellen White. People who do not read her writings may still then be influenced by preachers who reference them or concepts in them.

Part of the issue is that she wrote tons of books, articles, etc. And she claimed that in all her writings she was inspired. Since her writings touch on all kinds of theological and lifestyle issues to even start to take her seriously you have to read tons of books and alter your lifestyle accordingly. So most Adventists don't do it. But the ones who do take the time have dedicated hours upon hours to it and tend to be quite serious about it.

I certainly agree with you they would be much better off if they dropped Ellen White and started going only with the Bible.

 

[tall73]

Seventh-day Baptists, to my understanding, have fairly mainstream Baptist views with the exception of Sabbath observance. Adventists on the other hand have a number of doctrines considered heterodox by most Christians.

 

[Dave-W]

Seventh-day Baptists, to my understanding, have fairly mainstream Baptist views with the exception of Sabbath observance.

That is my understanding as well. But I do know that some of the SDA doctrines that were different from their Methodist/Holiness roots came from the Seventh Day Baptist. So maybe not (at least back in the 1850s and 60s).

Adventists on the other hand have a number of doctrines considered heterodox by most Christians.

So do Pentecostals, Messianics and others.

 

[tall73]

That is my understanding as well. But I do know that some of the SDA doctrines that were different from their Methodist/Holiness roots came from the Seventh Day Baptist. So maybe not (at least back in the 1850s and 60s).

Could you elaborate? During the Millerite movement prior to 1844 and in the immediate fall-out, the people who would eventually become the Seventh-day Adventist church had numerous influences through that movement. But I am not aware of other doctrinal influences by the Seventh-day Baptists after that time. Can always learn something new though.

 

[Dave-W]

Could you elaborate?

from https://www.andrews.edu/~fortind/EGWDoctrines.htm
D. The Sabbath

1. The doctrine of the Sabbath.

This doctrine was first brought to the attention of ex-Millerites by Joseph Bates.
Bates, in turn, was strongly influenced by studying the work of T. M. Preble, and in discussions with Rachel Oaks-Preston (a Seventh Day Baptist) and Frederic Wheeler.
When Bates first approached Ellen White on the Sabbath doctrine, her initial reaction was negative (as was, also, Bates' initial reaction when first told that she had been given a genuine prophetic gift!)
Both, however, changed their respective opposition, on the basis of coercive Bible-based evidence.

3. The time to begin the observance of the Sabbath.

This issue was not settled among Sabbatarian Adventists until November 1855.
Four views coexisted among them during the 1840s and early 1850s:
(1) The Sabbath begins at sunrise Saturday morning (based upon a misinterpretation of Mat 28:1, which they interpreted to mean that Sunday begins at sunrise Sunday morning).
(2) The Sabbath begins at midnight Friday night-"legal time."
(3) The Sabbath beings at 6 p.m. Friday ("equatorial time"), a position favored by sea-captain Bates, who knew that the sun rises daily at 6 a.m., and sets daily at 6 p.m., upon the equator.
(4) The Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday; the Seventh Day Baptist position.

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also this:

http://www.ceir.co.rs/images/stories/rit_06/rit_6_seventh_day_baptist.pdf

 

[tall73]

from https://www.andrews.edu/~fortind/EGWDoctrines.htm
D. The Sabbath

1. The doctrine of the Sabbath.

This doctrine was first brought to the attention of ex-Millerites by Joseph Bates.
Bates, in turn, was strongly influenced by studying the work of T. M. Preble, and in discussions with Rachel Oaks-Preston (a Seventh Day Baptist) and Frederic Wheeler.
When Bates first approached Ellen White on the Sabbath doctrine, her initial reaction was negative (as was, also, Bates' initial reaction when first told that she had been given a genuine prophetic gift!)
Both, however, changed their respective opposition, on the basis of coercive Bible-based evidence.

3. The time to begin the observance of the Sabbath.

This issue was not settled among Sabbatarian Adventists until November 1855.
Four views coexisted among them during the 1840s and early 1850s:
(1) The Sabbath begins at sunrise Saturday morning (based upon a misinterpretation of Mat 28:1, which they interpreted to mean that Sunday begins at sunrise Sunday morning).
(2) The Sabbath begins at midnight Friday night-"legal time."
(3) The Sabbath beings at 6 p.m. Friday ("equatorial time"), a position favored by sea-captain Bates, who knew that the sun rises daily at 6 a.m., and sets daily at 6 p.m., upon the equator.
(4) The Sabbath begins at sunset on Friday; the Seventh Day Baptist position.

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also this:

http://www.ceir.co.rs/images/stories/rit_06/rit_6_seventh_day_baptist.pdf

I thought we had already discussed the Sabbath part. I thought you meant some of their other beliefs.

 

[alex2165]

alex2165,
re: "...I tried to convince some of them by presenting other places of the Bible where it said that the souls of the dead always return immediately to GOD Who gave them,"

I'm not aware of any scripture (in the KJV at least) that says that. What do you have in mind?

Thank you Albion, you posted right verse, and I would like to add some other few verses confirming that all souls belong to GOD and return to Him after death.

Above all, to whom you think the souls return after death Rstarts, if not GOD?

Ecclesiastes 12.7

7.then the dust will return to the earth as it was, (Genesis 3.19) (Job 4.19) (Psalm 103.14) (Ecclesiast 3.20, 12.7), and the spirit will return to GOD Who gave it.



John 5.24

24.Very truly I tell you, anyone who hears My Word and believes Him Who sent Me, has Eternal Life, and does not come under judgment, but has passed from death to Life."



1Corinthians 15.51-52

51.Listen, I will tell you a mystery! We will not all die but we will all be changed,

52.in moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. The trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.



1Thessalonians 4.13-18

Paul encourage Thessalonians in Resurrection.

13.But we do not want you to be uniformed brothers and sisters about those who have died, so that you may not grieve as others do, who have no hope.

14.Since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so though Jesus GOD will bring with Him those who have died.

15.For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will by no means precede who have died.

16.The Lord Himself with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call and with the sound of GOD’S trumpet will descend from Heaven and the dead in Christ will rise first.

17.Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will be with the Lord forever.

18.Therefore, encourage one another with these words.

 

[evangelicalsabbatarian]

Seventh Day Baptist Beliefs


Core convictions

FREEDOM & LIBERTY IN CHRIST
We extend to every member and attendee of our congregation the liberty of conscience that Christ has purchased for them. We don’t ask people to subscribe to beliefs that they do not yet understand, nor are ready to accept (Luke 4:18).

INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABILITY TO CHRIST
Every believer receives the Word of God and is responsible to God for their faithful obedience to the truth they have received (Hebrews 4:12, 13; Romans 1:5; 16:26).

Membership requirements

Members:

1. Accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour,
2. Have been baptised by immersion,
3. Accept the seventh day of the week as Sabbath, and
4. Willingly enter into the Church Covenant.

Church Covenant
For the glory of God and Christ Jesus, in the service of our fellow men, for the blessing of all men, our brethren, solemnly and joyfully,

“There is one body and one Spirit, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
— Ephesians 4:4, 5

1. Acknowledge Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour.
2. Be instrumental in bringing mankind to accept Salvation as a gift through Jesus Christ alone.
3. Cherish liberty of thought as an essential condition for the guidance of God’s Holy Spirit in understanding the Scriptures.
4. Lovingly observe all the Commandments of God and take the Bible as our guide both in matters of belief and practice.
5. Watch over one another prayerfully, to assist and admonish each other kindly that we may grow in grace.
6. Cheerfully attend the appointments, bear the burdens and expenses of the Church, according as God gives us the ability.
7. Therefore, having no binding creed; we do still resolve that we shall search the Scriptures and pray without ceasing, that we may continue to strengthen our Christian faith and grow in grace and love.

Statement of Faith



The Holy Bible
The Bible is God’s inspired revelation given to mankind. It is the basis of the Church doctrines (Mathew 4:4 2 Tim. 3:16). We believe the Bible is infallible according to the original manuscripts. It is the authorized foundation of true knowledge (John 17:17).



Who is God?
The Father and the Son are “The Deity”. God is one (1 Cor. 8:4, Deut. 6:4). (Gen 1:26, Eph. 2:19, 3:15, Heb. 2:10-11). God is Spirit. He is everlasting.

The Father is the Supreme Being in the Deity. Jesus Christ said He was sent to reveal the Father (Mt. 11:27, Jn. 1:18, 17:24-26). He acknowledged His Father was greater than Him (Jn. 10:29, 14:28).

The Son Jesus Christ is the “Word “(from the Greek term “Logos”).The Father created all things through Him (Jn. 1:1-3). “He is the only begotten from the Father” (Jn. 1:14, 18, 3:16, 18). Jesus is the Saviour of humanity (1Jn. 4:14). He died for our sins and was risen so we can be saved from eternal death (Acts 4:10-12).

Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father. He is our High Priest and the Head of the Church. (Eph. 1:22-23, Heb. 4:14-16).



The Holy Spirit
God is Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God’s essence, mind, life and power. He is not a being (Psalms 139:7, Jer. 23:24). By means of His Spirit God created all things, (Gen.1:1-2, Rev. 4:11). It is the power by which Christ sustains the whole Universe (Heb.1:2-3). It is given to everyone who repents from his/her sins and is baptized (Acts 2:38-39). It is the power by which every believer can “overcome” (Rev. 2:26-27, Acts 1:8, 2 Tim.1:6-7) and guides to eternal life.



The Gospel
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the “Good News” of the forgiveness of our sins by means of Jesus’ sacrifice and the future kingdom of God and His Government. The Gospel reveals the way by which God will allow us to be ruling members in His Kingdom (Acts 2:38-39, Mark 1:14-15, Mt. 24:14, Acts 8:12, 17:7, 28:30-31, Rev. 2:26-27).



Salvation
Salvation is God’s gift by grace through faith in Jesus (Titus 3:5, 2 Con. 2:15, Rom. 5:10). God justifies us from our past sins by means of repentance and baptism. Then, we begin the process of salvation as we grow in grace and knowledge of Christ (2 Peter 3:18). Our salvation will culminate in resurrection (1 Cor. 15:50-54).

Steps to salvation:

• Faith in Christ, the first and fundamental step is to place our faith in the Eternal Father and Jesus’ sacrifice (Heb. 6:1, 11:6). Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins (Acts. 2:36-38).
  
  
• Repentance, the basic step towards salvation is repentance from sin, repentance for trespassing God’s law (1 Jn. 3:4). As the early church began, Peter said, “Repent, and each of you be baptized” (Acts 2:38). Because every human being has sinned (Rom. 3:23), and the wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23), every sinner should be willing to obey God’s law and to allow Christ to live in Him (Gal. 2:20).
  
  
• Baptism by immersion, after we have accepted Christ as our personal Saviour the next step is to be baptized. As the Bible scriptures reads in Acts 2:38, 8:35-39, 9:1-18. It is a sign of our complete submission to God and to our desire to bury the old man (Rom. 6:3-6).
  
  
• Receiving God’s Grace, salvation is the combined result of “Law” and “Grace” (from the Greek “Charis”) Of God. We have been saved through faith and not ourselves as it is a “gift from God” (Eph. 2:8-9). We have been” justified by His blood” and “reconciled to God through the death of His Son [but] we shall be saved by His life” (Rom. 5:9-10).
  
  With baptism, Christians will enter in the “new pact” with God (Mt. 26:28). The new pact does not do away with God’s law but it is inscribed in our hearts and mind (Heb. 8:8-10).
  
  When we are baptized we make a pact and oath with God and with the help of the Holy Spirit, we keep His commandments and live a holy life from that day onwards. Through inspiration the Apostle Paul wrote: “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer l who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which l now live in the flesh l live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me” Gal. 2:20.
  
  
• Receiving God’s Holy Spirit, when we repent, we accept Jesus Christ as our Saviour and we are baptized, God forgives our sins (Acts 2:38, Ps. 103:3, 10-13). To overcome sin, we need to receive from God “power from on high” (Luke 24:49). Through the Spirit of God we can keep His commandments. According to the teachings of the New Testament, we receive the Holy Spirit through the laying of the hands by apostles and elders of Christ (Acts 8:17, 9:17, 19:6, 2 Tim. 1:6).
  
  
• Exercise the “Living Faith”, according to the Word of God, faith is essential for our salvation, and it is one of the basic doctrines of the Bible (Heb. 6:1). “Without faith it is impossible to please Him” (Heb. 11:6). But living faith implies doing the Will of God by being “obedient”. “Faith without works is useless” (James 2:20).
  
  
• To “grow” in Grace and Knowledge of God, after repentance and having accepted Jesus the person is then baptized. The Holy Spirit is bestowed through the laying of hands (Acts 8:17-18). The believer should continue growing “in the grace and knowledge of our God” (2 Peter 3:18).

The Annual Feasts represent God’s Master plan for Salvation
God’s annual feasts are found in Lev. 23 and Deut. 16. The Lord commanded these Holy days to be observed as “perpetual statutes” (Lev. 23:14, 21, 31, 41). The Apostolic Church observed the annual feasts (Acts2, 12:3-4, 18:21, 20:6, 16, 27:9, 1 Cor. 16:8).
These feasts will be observed during Christ’s millennial Kingdom (Zech. 14:1, 9, 16-19).

God’s annual Feasts represent the seven fundamental steps of His plan of Salvation:

1. Passover: represents Jesus sacrifice, “The lamb of God” (John 1:29, 36, Rev. 5:6). Christ was scarified for us (1 Cor. 5:7). Jesus established the Passover of the New Pact using the symbols of bread and wine (1 Cor. 11:23-26).
   
   
2. The Seven Days of Unleavened Bread: it represents the cleansing in the believers lives of malice and wickedness. To participate of God’s nature, unleavened bread of sincerity and truth (1 Cor. 5:6-13, Luke 12:1).
   
   
3. The Feast of the First Fruits (Pentecost): it represents the small harvest of Christ’s followers begotten by the Holy Spirit. They will be “harvested” in the “first resurrection” (Rev. 20:4-5) as “first fruits” (James 1:18) according to Psalms 67:4.
   
   
4. The Feast of Trumpets: it is the prophetic announcement of Jesus’ second coming. (Matt. 24:31, 1 Cor. 15:52, 1 Thess. 4:13-17, Rev. 11:15-18, 19:15, Zech. 14:9).
   
   
5. The Day of Atonement: it represents Jesus’ reconciliation by “atoning” sacrifice. He died as the Sacrificial Lamb and bore our sins (Lev. 16:8, 10, 15-27, Is.53, Rev. 20:1-3).
   
   
6. The Feast of Tabernacles: it represents the wonderful coming world under Jesus’ rulership and His saints (Zech.14, Matt. 9:37-38, 13:1-30, Luke 12:32, John 7:6-14, Acts 17:31, Rev. 12:9, 20:4-6).
   
   
7. The Last Great Day: it represents Judgement. It will be at the end of Christ’s millennial Kingdom on earth (John 7:37, Lev. 23:26, 39, Rev. 20:11-12).

The Law of God
God’s law is condensed in “The Ten Commandments”, it is the Moral law (Ex. 20:1-17, Deut. 4:13, 5:1-21, 10:4). Jesus magnified the Law as we read in the “Sermon on the mount” and other places. Jesus Christ magnified the Law of God also in Matthew chapter 5, 6 and 7 and Isaiah 42:21. He taught to His followers they should obey the letter as well as the Spirit of the Law.

“So then the Law is Holy and the Commandment is Holy and righteous and good” (Rom. 7:12). As written in Gal. 2:20, “Christ lives in me” and to become “true saints” in Rev. 14:12. Our knowledge of sin comes from the Law (1 John 3:4, 22-24, 2:3-4).



The Sabbath of God
The word of God reveals that “The Seventh Day is Sabbath” (Rest) for the Eternal God (Ex. 20:10, Deut. 5:14). Sabbath should be observed from Friday sunset until Sabbath sunset.

The Sabbath is a sign between God and His faithful people. It represents “God’s rest” and it reminds us that He is the Creator. It is also the represents the millennial, the millennial year of “rest” when Jesus comes as the king of Kings (Heb. 4:1-4, Rev. 20:4-6).

Our Lord, the Apostles and the early Church have always observed the Sabbath (Luke 4:16, Acts 17:2). All mankind will observe the Sabbath during Christ’s millennial Kingdom on earth (Is. 66:22-23, 58:13-14).



Sin and its Consequences
Sin is the deliberate act of disobedience in the breaking of God’s Holy Law.

”Everyone who practices sin also practice lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness” 1 John 3:4. “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” Romans 3:23. “For the wages of sin is death” Romans 6:23.



The First Death
Death is the natural end of life (Gen. 2:17, Ezek. 18:4). “For as in Adam all die” (1 Cor. 15:22). “In as much as it is appointed for men to die once” (Heb. 9:27). After suffering the “first death” every human being will return to life through resurrection. The Bible reveals every human being will be resurrected in due time (John 5:28, 1 Cor. 15:22).



The Second Death
The “second death” is the eternal death, total destruction. (Mal. 4:1, Matt. 10:28, 25:46). (Rev. 20:14-15) “For in the case of those who have been enlightened and have tasted of the Heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit and have tasted the Good Word of God and the powers of the age to come and have then fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance” (Heb. 6:4-8, 10:26-31).



Signification of “Being born again”
In Christ Jesus and through the forgiveness of our sins, we are born again and we are made new creatures (Rom. 6 and John 3).



God’s ruling in the Church
God the Father as the supreme authority rule with justice and love, Christ is the Head of the Church (Eph. 5:23, Matt. 20:25-28).



Tithes
God is the creator of all things (Rev. 4:11). As the Lord of the Universe, ruler and Lord of all creation (Acts 17:24-29). Jesus Christ commanded us to give our tithes (Matt. 23:23). The Bible teaches us that tithes belong to the Eternal God (Lev. 27:30).

Tithing is an act of worship to God as we acknowledge His dominion over us. Before the establishment of the old pact, Abraham the father of faith gave his tithes to God (Gen. 14:20). Through tithes Christians serve God by preaching His gospel, assisting in the Holy Feasts and looking after the church and those in need.



Divine Healing
Healing is a “spiritual gift” (1 Cor. 12:1, 9). One of God’s Hebrew names is Yehovah Rapha, meaning Eternal Healer Ex. 15:26. PS. 103:3, 1Peter 2:24, James 5:14-16.



The Laws of Health related to Food
In Genesis 7:1-2, Lev. 11, Deut. 14 we find instructions given by God concerning clean and unclean animals Isaiah 65:4. In the New Testament Acts 10:14.



The Great Tribulation
A great catastrophe will occur on earth called “great tribulation” and “Jacob’s distress” Mt. 24:21-22, Dan. 11:40-45, 12:1, Luke 21:19-36, Jer. 30:3-7.



The Day of the Lord
The Day of the Lord can be found in more than 30 verses in the Bible. God will punish the earth inhabitants because of their sins Joel 1:14-20, 2:1-32, 3:9-17, Rev. 1:10, Mt. 24:29-31.



The Second Coming of Christ
His coming will occur in the sound of the seventh trumpets John 14:3, Mt. 24:29-30, Rev. 11:15, 1 Cor. 15:52, 1 Thess. 4:13-18, Rev. 20:5-6, Rev. 5:9-10.



The Millennium
A wonderful time of peace on earth Is. 2,9, 11:6-9, 14:7, 61, Jer. 31, Mic. 4, Zech. 8:20-23, Mal 4, Acts 3:19-21, Rev. 20:4-6.



The Final Judgement
It is called the Judgement of the White Throne, Rev. 20:11-14, Mt. 10:15, 11:21-24, 12:41-42, Ez. 37:1-14.



Prophecy
We believe Jesus is God’s greatest revelation. We do not have prophets or prophetess nor a founder of the church Jer. 23:30-32.

 

[rstrats]

alex2165,
re: "Above all, to whom you think the souls return after death Rstarts, if not GOD? Ecclesiastes 12.7...and the spirit will return to GOD Who gave it."

As I asked Albion, are you suggesting that "spirit" is another word for "soul" - that they are one and the same thing?

 

[alex2165]

Rstrats wrote:
"As I asked Albion, are you suggesting that "spirit" is another word for "soul" - that they are one and the same thing?"


Yes, there is no difference between spirit and soul, because it is a spiritual entity, another word, spirit-soul is the energy of intelligent life which given to us from GOD.

Souls-spirits are immortal, because they came from the Lord when He breathed portion of His Spirit into Adam to make him alive and intelligent.

As we know, when GOD created Adam he was just a corpse, very much dead, and where was no life in him until the Lord put a part of His Spirit into him. And such portion of GOD’S Spirit in us we called soul or spirit.

I know some people who are confused by these words and they think that soul and spirit are two different things. But GOD breathed portion of His Spirit only ones into Adam and not twice or more times, so the spirit that the GOD planted in us is only one spirit-soul which gives us life, intelligence, and complete set of all feelings and qualities that GOD have Himself, and this is why Bible said that we are created in the image of GOD, not according to His physical form but according to His Spiritual image.

So as you can see spirit and soul are the same thing. But sometimes people divided them in order to indicate the difference between spiritual man who worship the Lord and the man of soul who did not worship GOD. It is also true in other languages to divide spiritual person from not spiritual.

But again, when it comes to identify our existence as living beings, our spirit which is our soul is the energy of life inserted in us by GOD, and there is not another spiritual entity located in us.

And remember one important thing that GOD Himself is the Spirit and must be worship in spirit.

 

[alex2165]

To Evangelical

Your “constitution” or code of believers of 7th Day Adventist I seen before in other denominations, and it does not mean anything at all. Christian often present pretty words and statements of their believes, but as it often happen they do not really follow or obey them, just like they do to GOD.



In you reference of all that Adventist believes you also incorrectly identified tithes, you wrote:

“Jesus Christ commanded us to give our tithes (Matt. 23:23).” This is complete and total lie, because Jesus never gave such command.

Matthew 23.23

23.Woe to you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites for you tithe, mint, and dill, and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the Law: *Justice, and Mercy, and Faithfulness, these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.



Above all, tithes collected never been presented in form of money but only in form of produce from the field or from the herd or the flock of animals, it was stored in the cities of Levites, then given to priests, and the priests took from these tithes another tenth and offered on the altar to the Lord. Tithes as such have been collected only at the end of every third year.

I already made a thread a while ago concerning and I proved that tithes have nothing to do with money, which is purely ungodly and hypocritical church doctrine and tradition and not Biblical at all. So read my thread named “tithes” and you will see all the verses of the Bible related to it.

If you cannot find my thread, I will posted again for you, so you will see for yourself that collection of tithes is the twisted and perverted version of the Word of GOD.

 

[evangelicalsabbatarian]

To Evangelical

Your “constitution” or code of believers of 7th Day Adventist I seen before in other denominations, and it does not mean anything at all. Christian often present pretty words and statements of their believes, but as it often happen they do not really follow or obey them, just like they do to GOD.



In you reference of all that Adventist believes you also incorrectly identified tithes, you wrote:

“Jesus Christ commanded us to give our tithes (Matt. 23:23).” This is complete and total lie, because Jesus never gave such command.

Matthew 23.23

23.Woe to you scribes and Pharisees hypocrites for you tithe, mint, and dill, and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the Law: *Justice, and Mercy, and Faithfulness, these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.



Above all, tithes collected never been presented in form of money but only in form of produce from the field or from the herd or the flock of animals, it was stored in the cities of Levites, then given to priests, and the priests took from these tithes another tenth and offered on the altar to the Lord. Tithes as such have been collected only at the end of every third year.

I already made a thread a while ago concerning and I proved that tithes have nothing to do with money, which is purely ungodly and hypocritical church doctrine and tradition and not Biblical at all. So read my thread named “tithes” and you will see all the verses of the Bible related to it.

If you cannot find my thread, I will posted again for you, so you will see for yourself that collection of tithes is the twisted and perverted version of the Word of GOD.

It's seventh-day BAPTIST beliefs not Adventist

God bless

 

[rstrats]

alex2165,

re: "Yes, there is no difference between spirit and soul..."

Scripture seems to disagree with you. That the "soul" and "spirit" are not the same thing is made clear in 1 Thessalonians 5:23: "Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit, soul and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

And Hebrews 4:12 makes a further separation of the two words: "For the word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the division of soul and spirit and of joints and marrow..."

 

[South Bound]

I found out today that the sdas hire our church out on saturdays and hold worship services there. i never knew. I always take saturdays off.

That's not good

I won't say why because this is Laodicean Forums and we're not allowed to disagree with any group or teaching lest but if that were my church I would find that extremely troubling

 

[South Bound]

I no longer go to their churches and considered it a waste of time, but ones a week I go to one of the churches in Woodbury to visit a person with whom I have friendship

I lived in Mt Ephraim for several years and my brother-in-law's family lived in Woodbury near the hospital

 

[alex2165]

To Evangelical

Sorry, I mistakenly wrote “Adventist” but it would make much of difference anyway, because I seen same charter of believes in other Christian denominations.

But one thing you guys do absolutely right when you worship on Sabbath. I live in Lindenwold NJ and I cannot find any other church around my area who worships on Sabbath, except 7 Day Adventists.

Where is your Baptist church located at?





To South Bound.

I am glad and appreciated that you in support of Israel, this small but most important country in the world need all support it can possibly get.

Concerning 7 Day Adventist church, indeed one of them located in Woodbury not far from the downtown of Woodbury on the Barber street.

Church is small and on average about 20 people present on any giving Sabbath. They have no pastor and some church folks try to substitute the missing pastor who preaches in the church only on every third week of the month.

I could not stand those guys, they are not only have no reasonable knowledge of the Bible, they are also have no understanding of it. They are still “dwarfs” in Christ, as Paul wrote about such people, they are old enough to be teachers and scholars of the Bible, but they still drink “milk,” means elementary principals of the Book, and unable to progress and grow and to help others to rich perfection in Christ.

The pastor who comes every third Sabbath is German born, he lived in Bermuda for a while, married on that island and when with his family relocated to US.

While being well educated, he is also deeply indoctrinated in all Adventist’s believes, traditions, and doctrines, and preach accordingly. Sometimes he preach right things then it comes to faith in Christ and other inspirational subjects, such as of love, unity, forgiveness, and so on, but at the same time tightly holds to all doctrines and traditions of the church many of which are not even Biblical.

So I no longer go to that church but instead go to Laurelwood church in Deptford. They have own pastor who preaches every Sabbath, and he is a little bit better.