Any other geocentrists here?

[RichardT]

I clicked on the links but I havent read them yet will look at them later, but I did have a food for thought comment.

Science claims not to know the extent of the universe, so how is it we would know we are not at the center of it.

and your post got me thinking about it from another perspective, relativity,
Who is to say the universe is not rotating around a still earth? technically speaking the same cosmic forces that act on us now could still act on us if we were at its center say akin to the eye of a tornado.
Just food for thought.

BTW are their any biblical verses that point out geocentricity?
I thought it was like the flat earth theology where it was just assumed,(tradition of men) and not actually based on scripture.

The Earth Does Not Move

• 1 Chronicles 16:30: "Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved."
• Psalm 93:1 "The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved."
• Psalm 96:10: "Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously...."

The Sun Moves

• Joshua 10:13 So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
• Isaiah 38:8 I will make the shadow cast by the sun go back the ten steps it has gone down on the stairway of Ahaz.' " So the sunlight went back the ten steps it had gone down.
• Habakkuk 3:11 Sun and moon stood still in the heavens at the glint of your flying arrows, at the lightning of your flashing spear.

Earth is Independent

• Job 26:7 He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.

Also, there are many many other verses which speak about the sun going around the earth...
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[random_guy]

Just some information gathering on modern geocentrism. Is this the idea that the Earth is at the center of the Universe, or is it the idea that the Earth is still and all objects move around the Earth? From your posts, RichardT, it seems like you accept both. If so, I find that fascinating. Do any many other Creationists accept these beliefs here?

 

[vossler]

Just some information gathering on modern geocentrism. Is this the idea that the Earth is at the center of the Universe, or is it the idea that the Earth is still and all objects move around the Earth? From your posts, RichardT, it seems like you accept both. If so, I find that fascinating. Do any many other Creationists accept these beliefs here?

I believe that the earth is at the center of the universe not the solar system.

 

[chris777]

Ever since I started questioning all the things that "science" has taught me, I have noticed many things I had long believed as fact, were unproven, theoretical, and interpreted to suit their own desires, much the same way many twist the scriptures, I am concerned as it has the appearance of better organization, than say pre tribulation rapture doctrine, In that both christians and the lost believe whatever they are spoon fed.

I have been wondering for a while when the scientist kept stating that the earth was not at the center of the universe, as to how they could know that, if they cant even define the center.

But this post has me thinking even more
bravo

Thanks

 

[random_guy]

I'm not here for debate, but I'm here to gather information. I find this fascinating.

For geocentrists:

Do you dislike how heliocentricity is taught in schools? Would you prefer that geocentricity is taught as an alternative theory, to present both sides? Also, do you think that heliocentric Creationists are not taking the Bible literally since they do not accept geocentricity?

 

[Brennan]

I'm not here for debate, but I'm here to gather information. I find this fascinating.

For geocentrists:

Do you dislike how heliocentricity is taught in schools? Would you prefer that geocentricity is taught as an alternative theory, to present both sides? Also, do you think that heliocentric Creationists are not taking the Bible literally since they do not accept geocentricity?

Earth is not at the cernter of the Solar system, neither is the solar system at the center of the galaxy. What grounds are there for thinking it might be at the center of the universe?

 

[Dannager]

I have been wondering for a while when the scientist kept stating that the earth was not at the center of the universe, as to how they could know that, if they cant even define the center.

Since you're wondering this you'd probably like an answer. Succinctly put, there isn't a center to the universe. Much in the way that a balloon's surface doesn't have a center, neither does the universe. The universe is homogenous and isotropic, so all you can say is that in the past galaxies were closer together, but you can't say that they have been expanding from a certain point.

 

[random_guy]

Earth is not at the cernter of the Solar system, neither is the solar system at the center of the galaxy. What grounds are there for thinking it might be at the center of the universe?

That may or may not be so, but debating about it is not allowed in this forum. Let the geocentrists speak their mind free of debate.

 

[LoG]

Earth is not at the cernter of the Solar system, neither is the solar system at the center of the galaxy. What grounds are there for thinking it might be at the center of the universe?

Because the Sun, Moon and stars all appear to revolve around the Earth.

 

[RichardT]

Because the Sun, Moon and stars all appear to revolve around the Earth.

Why do you give an answer like that?. Your only making geocentrism look stupid from this reply....

 

[LoG]

Why do you give an answer like that?. Your only making geocentrism look stupid from this reply....

The answer has been perfectly acceptable since the dawn of time. If it didn't meet your standards of excellence you are quite welcome to provide something more in depth.

 

[sjdennis]

Why do you give an answer like that?. Your only making geocentrism look stupid from this reply....

I actually thought he was making it appear logical. To say that is stupid is to say that what you see with your eyes is stupid.

Then, beyond this initial logic, you can get into technical debates about whether it is quite that simple (which obviously it isn't). I'm undecided myself, but I don't think Lion of God was making it look stupid.

 

[LoG]

Geocentrism is outdated, but modern Geocentricity is not. Look up the Machian theory. I am an honest geocentrist. It fits observed scientific data.

I looked up Machian Theory but couldn't find where it supports "modern" Geocentricity. Please explain or reference a link where the theory backs Geocentrism.

 

[Brennan]

I looked up Machian Theory but couldn't find where it supports "modern" Geocentricity. Please explain or reference a link where the theory backs Geocentrism.

Quit being snide people, this is supposed to be a friendly forum.

The only Machian references I see are in relation to Relativity & cosmology - no mention of Creationism.

Dannager already pointed out in post 27 that modern cosmology shows there is no meaning to the notion of the universe having a center - Following the Big Bang (or Creation event if you prefer) all spacetime expanded from a single point . From that pov you can look at the center as being anywhere you like - it just doesn't matter.

 

[FallingWaters]

How many geocentrists post here? I want to hang out with you guys, and discuss things with you. I have a couple questions aswell. Post here if you are a geocentrist.

It depends on what the definition is. I could possibly be one. If it means that God created the entire universe just so it would support life on earth, and that creating earth and life on it was His sole reason for creating anything else, then yes, I am a geocentrist.

 

[Mallon]

It depends on what the definition is. I could possibly be one. If it means that God created the entire universe just so it would support life on earth, and that creating earth and life on it was His sole reason for creating anything else, then yes, I am a geocentrist.

A geocentrist is essentially someone who believes the sun revolves around the earth, as the ancient Hebrews did.

 

[FallingWaters]

What did the ancient Mayans believe?

 

[FallingWaters]

A geocentrist is essentially someone who believes the sun revolves around the earth, as the ancient Hebrews did.

He said it was a modern viewpoint.

 

[RichardT]

I'm not here for debate, but I'm here to gather information. I find this fascinating.

For geocentrists:

Do you dislike how heliocentricity is taught in schools? Would you prefer that geocentricity is taught as an alternative theory, to present both sides? Also, do you think that heliocentric Creationists are not taking the Bible literally since they do not accept geocentricity?

Maybe it can be taught along scientific creationism, kind of like a part of creationism, but this will never happen in Canada....

 

[RichardT]

He said it was a modern viewpoint.

for an explanation of old and modern geocentrism, I would read this..

http://www.geocentricity.com/ba1/fresp/index.html