Anti-universalism hostility

[FineLinen]

And by doing that I'm going to discover something no one else ever has?

What benefit am I likely to get from following your advice?

Dear HT: Rest assured the Restitution of all things (the ta pante) is NOT discovering something no one else has.

Our word for today = musterion.

Denotes not the mysterious, but that which is outside the range of unassisted natural apprehension & can only be made known by Divine revelation.

Can be made known in a manner & at a time appointed by God by the illumination of His Spirit.

 

[mkgal1]

There are two men speaking in that video. Fr Richard Rohr is actually the one that said that about "winning" and "losing". He's in full communion with the church - but recognizes how difficult a truly loving and gracious God is for many to grasp.

Richard Rohr: My new book might sound like heresy, but it isn't - Premier Christianity

 

[HTacianas]

Dear HT: Rest assured the Restitution of all things (the ta pante) is NOT discovering something no one else has.

Our word for today = musterion.

Denotes not the mysterious, but that which is outside the range of unassisted natural apprehension & can only be made known by Divine revelation.

Can be made known in a manner & at a time appointed by God by the illumination of His Spirit.

So tell me the mystery.

 

[FineLinen]

So tell me the mystery.

Son: You are NOT paying attention ! ! !

 

[Hawkins]

The hostility is coming from this,

By info from the Bible, a New Covenant is granted for human salvation.
By info from the Bible, faith in Jesus Christ is specified by the New Covenant for human salvation.

By universalism, everyone is saved with or without believing in Christ.
First it is suspicious of a doctrine from anti-Christ to deny the believing of Christ as part of the New Covenant.

Second, the danger of this doctrine is that, in case it's wrong those acquiring info from this doctrine may violate the basic requirement set forth in the New Covenant for human salvation. They are thus risking themselves for being the unsaved, as a result of agreeing on that no faith in Christ is needed for human salvation.

It's something serious and no kidding.

 

[HTacianas]

Son: You are NOT paying attention ! ! !

Well treat me like someone who's not good at paying attention. What I've gotten from this so far is you found something that no one else has and you did it by communing with god and it has something to do with universalism.

 

[FineLinen]

The hostility is coming from this,

By info from the Bible, a New Covenant is granted for human salvation.
By info from the Bible, faith in Jesus Christ is specified by the New Covenant for human salvation.

By universalism, everyone is saved with or without believing in Christ.
First it is suspicious of a doctrine from anti-Christ to deny the believing of Christ as part of the New Covenant.

Second, the danger of this doctrine is that, in case it's wrong those acquiring info from this doctrine may violate the basic requirement set forth in the New Covenant for human salvation. They are thus risking themselves for being the unsaved, as a result of agreeing on that no faith in Christ is needed for human salvation.

It's something serious and no kidding.

Dear Hawkins: I first began my journey into the Lord Jesus Christ 63 years ago. If you think for a nano second there is salvation ouside of Him, you are sadly mistaken! ! !

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."

 

[Hawkins]

Dear Hawkins: I first began my journey into the Lord Jesus Christ 63 years ago. If you think for a nano second there is salvation ouside of Him, your are sadly mistaken! ! !

It's not about you. It's all about those who choose to believe you or the doctrine you preach, instead of the Bible. Nothing is personal!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Jesus is anti-false gospel, right ?
Jesus calls it anathema! (and those who bring it) , Himself , right ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Dear Hawkins: I first began my journey into the Lord Jesus Christ 63 years ago. If you think for a nano second there is salvation ouside of Him, you are sadly mistaken! ! !

Hopefully (in some views) the journey will be towards Jesus , His Way, and not opposed to Him as it has been in posts approving of and promoting the false gospel of ua.

True "there is NO SALVATION outside of Him", thus those opposed to Him are not in His Salvation.

 

[FineLinen]

It's not about you. It's all about those who choose to believe you or the doctrine you preach, instead of the Bible. Nothing is personal!

Dear Hawkins: The Restitution of the ta pante flows from the Author & Finisher. It is all about Him and His cherished purpose in Himself.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The looks of having religion, but denying the power thereof, denying Jesus, is warned about :

biblehub.com › colossians

Colossians 2:4 I say this so that no one will deceive you by ...
Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. King James Bible And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
www.biblegateway.com › verse

/Colossians 2:4 - Bible Gateway
But I don't want anyone to fool you with words that only sound good. NIV. I tell you ... Now this I say lest anyone should deceive you with persuasive words. NLV.

 

[Daniel9v9]

To make it very simple - Scriptures nowhere teach that whoever rejects Jesus Christ will have life. But it explicitly teaches the contrary, that whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

will be saved,

GOOD, if it does happen - i.e. if they endure to the end, (as that is also written)

 

[FineLinen]

To make it very simple - Scriptures nowhere teach that whoever rejects Jesus Christ will have life. But it explicitly teaches the contrary, that whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Dear Daniel: There is no such animal as "simple" in our Father's Barnyard.

This is the deal: every last human being ultimately bows the knee in worship & confesses in union with the Name of all names. "You are Lord."

And lest you think this is forced subjection, please note that wee word IN/EN. This worship is in union with His glorious Name, not perfunctory genuflections!

But there is more > > >

Every knee, every mouth, in EVERY dimension of the heavens, earth & underworld.

 

[ripple the car]

I am sympathetic towards those who believe that all will be or may be saved; I used to hold to this view, too. Some Scripture seems to support it.

1 Timothy 2:1-4

What this view of Scripture does not factor in, however, is free will, and many, many other parts of Scripture which make it clear that few are saved.

And he answered me, saying, The Most High hath made this world for many, but the world to come for few.

I will tell thee a similitude, Esdras; As when thou askest the earth, it shall say unto thee, that it giveth much mould whereof earthen vessels are made, but little dust that gold cometh of: even so is the course of this present world.

There be many created, but few shall be saved.

4 Ezdras 8:1-3

Luke 13:23-25

I get the desire to believe this. I do believe that God gives sufficient grace for all to be saved; everyone *can* be saved. But not everyone will. Scripture is clear on this. And as HTacianas has pointed out, no Apostolic Church teaches this.

 

[Gregorikos]

In this short video, David Bentley Hart suggests that the emotionally-driven objection of many Christians to universal salvation/ restorationism is motivated by a childish view that 'For me to win, someone has to lose'. This is a sin that we all suffer from time to time. But is God's grace not higher than that?

In the world of people who doubt Universalism, there must be some people such as Hart describes, but it's quite uncharitable to suggest that applies to the largest part.

It makes more sense to assume that since Christians should be known by their love, and since it isn't loving to wish anyone to go to hell, that no Christian would want such a pernicious doctrine spread.

 

[FineLinen]

I am sympathetic towards those who believe that all will be or may be saved; I used to hold to this view, too. Some Scripture seems to support it.

1 Timothy 2:1-4

What this view of Scripture does not factor in, however, is free will, and many, many other parts of Scripture which make it clear that few are saved.

4 Ezdras 8:1-3

Luke 13:23-25

I get the desire to believe this. I do believe that God gives sufficient grace for all to be saved; everyone *can* be saved. But not everyone will. Scripture is clear on this. And as HTacianas has pointed out, no Apostolic Church teaches this.

Dear Gracia: All mankind are little wills. The God of Glory is the Will of all wee wills. His Will prevails.

He declares in no uncertain terms He will have all mankind to be saved. That is no mere wish or desire!

He will/thelo all mankind to be saved

 

[ripple the car]

Dear Gracia: All mankind are little wills. The God of Glory is the Will of all wee wills. His Will prevails.

He declares in no uncertain terms He will have all mankind to be saved. That is no mere wish or desire!

He will/thelo all mankind to be saved

No, I disagree. God did not will for Adam and Eve to sin. They still did. Even with Creation so new and man so new, God's Will did not overpower our first parents' capacities to choose the wrong thing, disobey, hide, and make excuses. God still gives us the freedom to mess up. Because forcing someone to love you is not genuine love. Genuine love is an act of the will.

 

[FineLinen]

No, I disagree. God did not will for Adam and Eve to sin. They still did. Even with Creation so new and man so new, God's Will did not overpower our first parents' capacities to choose the wrong thing, disobey, hide, and make excuses. God still gives us the freedom to mess up. Because forcing someone to love you is not genuine love. Genuine love is an act of the will.

Dear Gracia: I assure you, my friend, the Glorious One will not need to force any being to love Him, it flows from what it means to be IN/EN the Name.

Our word for today is polus.

Adam1 = "many were made sinners" > > >

Last Adam = "many were made righteous."