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Show me a BLM leader who is talking about just having less police...When you characterize an entire range of proposals by the most extreme of them, that's more than a little bit dishonest, don't you think? Otherwise, I could characterize all anti-immigration arguments by those who want to shoot them all and let God sort it out. Or the pro-life movement by those who think that murdering abortion providers is a valid solution. There are always going to be nuts on every part of the political spectrum proposing extreme, unrealistic solutions to complicated problems. Pretending that those extreme solutions are in any way representative of the majority opinion does nothing to promote reasonable discussion.
Why does it have to be a BLM leader? They're not the only group calling for some sort of defunding initiative. For example, I could point to the actions that LA and New York have already taken, which involve moving funds from the police department to community initiatives like youth employment, mentoring, community centers, health services, and other social services. I feel like that's far more relevant to the discussion than wringing our hands over the ideas of a few vocal activists.Show me a BLM leader who is talking about just having less police...
So the thosands of BLM supporters agree with eliminating the police, and spent months whining and screaming and hurting people to that end, but it's totally impossible? That's pretty much what I've been saying all along. Why does anyone listen to their impossible proposals?Realistically, the majority of Americans don't support eliminating the police entirely, so it's never going to happen.
Yep.So the thosands of BLM supporters agree with eliminating the police, and spent months whining and screaming and hurting people to that end, but it's totally impossible?
Then we're in agreement.That's pretty much what I've been saying all along.
Because they shout loudly and their ideas sound good on the surface. It's the same as when people on the right were whining and screaming about how we needed to give every teacher in America a gun after the Parkland shooting. Sounds like a good idea until you start thinking about it a bit.Why does anyone listen to their impossible proposals?
The problem is that up to now police have ALWAYS justified their actions, so much noone really believes them.This is completely speculative and doesn’t take into consideration the facts that transpired. It is confirmed that Blake was reaching for a knife found in the driver’s side floor of the vehicle. Would the officer have shot a white man reaching for a knife on the floor inside the vehicle? Absolutely he would. So no there is nothing here to indicate any sort of racism taking place. Here’s a clear example of how making assumptions without having all the facts can cause unnecessary friction much like the rioters as a result of this situation who look like a bunch of idiots for burning cars and buildings over this without knowing all the facts only to find out 3 days later that the shooting was justified.
BLM (the organization) is, if nothing else, extremist.Show me a BLM leader who is talking about just having less police...
The videos speak for themselves and effectively undermine those kinds of police rebuttals that would have provided them just a few years ago with the benefit of the doubt from the American public!So the thosands of BLM supporters agree with eliminating the police, and spent months whining and screaming and hurting people to that end, but it's totally impossible? That's pretty much what I've been saying all along. Why does anyone listen to their impossible proposals?
no longer stand up to the scrutiny provided by private citizens videoing the events!
The police do a great job. You want to throw a fit about less than 15 possible bad shootings a year or do you want to look at the reality that they are the only thing preventing total anarchy?The videos speak for themselves and effectively undermine those kinds of police rebuttals that would have provided them just a few years ago with the benefit of the doubt from the American public!
For decades, the nation's police departments were content to follow the line of least resistance by coasting on their reputations instead of disciplining the excesses of their members, never expecting that the day would come when their denials would no longer withstand the public scrutiny provided by private citizens videoing the events!
BLM (the organization) is, if nothing else, extremist.
I believe that the organization has good intentions, but some of their demands and methodologies are questionable ...
That's debatable, but US certainly has been ...
While I agree with much of what you have said here, we cannot set aside that there is systemic racism and there is police brutality. So all of those things need to be addressed simultaneously.
And don't think that it is just men who need good jobs, women do too. Women need to be able to take care of themselves and sometimes their children and/or parents as well.
I agree, however, we need to find those that are the instigators behind those who commit violent acts and those who support those acts.I do see an issue with not singling out those responsible. Just as we tend to say Blm when addressing all the rioters they blame all police for the actions of the few. I think a move in the right direction would be getting back to personal responsibility and calling out only those bad actors.
I just posted these in the other thread, but I'll put them here also.
Kenosha P.D. Was Already Awash With Corruption, Brutality and Cover-Ups Before Blake Shooting
From 2017...
Kenosha PD accused of 'corruption, lies'
How can you doubt? 1 (one) shot is enough to make a person incapable of assaulting with a knife. Even if that shot didn't reach its objective, another shot is enough. You want to debate whether a third shot might be necessary? Or even a fourth shot? Or even (unthinkable, but you seem to think that) a fifth shot? And a sixth ? And a seventh?Oh, you’re “certain”? How did you arrive to such certainty?
They are the result of poverty. Poverty is often the result of "high crime rates, drugs, etc.", and of poor education (no good school affordable). Which is the result of poverty ...High crime rates, drugs, etc. aren't because of skin color.
Punishment is not enough. Often kids with some problems get criminal while being in prison. Up to a certain degree, it is better not putting them in prisons, but give them other ways of punishment.I can't make them do anything without punishment. That's why we need cops. I said people could do it not that they would.
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