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MezzaMorta

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The replacement theology and other lies spouted in these threads are horrible. They show a lack of biblical knowledge and historical facts.

Well with all due respect you have not demonstrated yourself to be one with great incite and knowledge into biblical matters so we will have to take your criticism of such with a grain (or couple pounds) of salt.

Jesus is my savior, he is our temple, we as his followers are Israel and the Jews unless they accept Christ are no different than any other non-Christian.

Ishmael was chosen?

Chosen for what? God blessed Ishmael as well, if you mean chosen to be sacrificed by Abraham, no I do not believe that.

[FONT=&quot] Officially the Pope would never say anything against Israel.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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[FONT=&quot] The Pope as the moral head of the Christian church condemns the acts of the Zionist state all the time. During the July war the Pope in the strongest sense stated that he was disgusted with the acts of Israel towards Lebanon and Lebanese civilians. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] The Vatican also recognizes the Palestinian state as the legal and lawful authority of the land. [/FONT]
 
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You aserted in another post in the last few days that the Promise came through Ishmael and the Promised Land was for Arabs. I showed you that was false using Scripture. Yes, Ishmael was blessed but his was a different promise.

Replacement theology is wrong, and that has been proven with Scripture.

Your desire to twist Scripture and history has destroyed any credibility you may have had.


When I asked about the official doctrine of the rcc and eo I knew the answer..at least concerning the rcc. Yes, the pope has mistakenly spoken out against ISreal and he will asnwer for it before God. This is simply one more reason for me to stand aganist the rcc and their false teachings and pray for the true followers of Christ that are within the rcc.
 
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You aserted in another post in the last few days that the Promise came through Ishmael and the Promised Land was for Arabs. I showed you that was false using Scripture. Yes, Ishmael was blessed but his was a different promise.

The land was promised to the decedents of Abraham. Not just the ones who call themselves Jewish.

the pope has mistakenly spoken out against ISreal

The pope is not to speak out against injustice and persecution?

I really grow tired of your consistent appeasement of the terroristic Zionist entity. Give my condolences to your 4 sons and consider this the last sentence I will write regarding you or anything you have to saw.
 
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I have shown you in Scripture where you are wrong regarding the Promised Land and you ignored it.

You ignore and twist Scripture and place yourself in danger.


I grow tired of your lies and twisting of Scripture. I find it exceedingly sad and I pray for you that God softens your heart and opens your eyes and ears to His truth.

As to my sons, keep your condolences they don't need them as they have Christ.
 
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To be fair, much progress has been made with Vatican-Israel relations. They are the only denomination who has publicly repented for anti-semetism (vatican II) for example. The current Pope has committed to carrying on this legacy even deeper
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3160481,00.html

I can't give any details publicly but I have contacts within the Vatican that tell me about current efforts being made and they are all verrrrry hopeful signs.

Not sure how Mezza dreams up his accusations but the Pope has never "recognized" Palestinian claims to all of Israel. That is just delusional rhetoric.
 
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To be fair, much progress has been made with Vatican-Israel relations. They are the only denomination who has publicly repented for anti-semetism (vatican II) for example. The current Pope has committed to carrying on this legacy even deeper
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3160481,00.html
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3160481,00.html

Jews =/= Israel. The vast majority of the world is opposed to the terrorist state of Israel, just as the majority of Catholics are.

Several Catholic Priests have lost their lives due to Israeli military action in the holy land.

I can't give any details publicly but I have contacts within the Vatican that tell me about current efforts being made and they are all verrrrry hopeful signs.

Wouldn't happen to be an albino monk would it?

Not sure how Mezza dreams up his accusations but the Pope has never "recognized" Palestinian claims to all of Israel. That is just delusional rhetoric.

[FONT=&quot]Nations which recognized the State of Palestine upon it’s declaration in 1988. [/FONT]

 
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So palestine was declared a state in 1988? So much for any basis of it being an ancient homeland promised to anyone other than the Jews down the line through Isaac.

Call me old fashioned but I'd take the Bible's word for it over anything else.
 
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We had a bunch of kooks in Texas declare that the Republic of Texas was now independant of the USA. While I wouldn't disagree with that principle, they have no sovereign territory so their statement is only rhetoric.

The same applies in this situation because there is no sovereign territory called "Palestine"

Here are the facts about this declaration.

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The 1988 declaration was approved at a meeting in Algiers, by a vote of 253-46, with 10 abstentions. The declaration invoked the Treaty of Lausanne (1923) and UN General Assembly Resolution 181 in support of its claim to a "State of Palestine on our Palestinian territory with its capital Jerusalem". The proclaimed "State of Palestine" was recognized immediately by the Arab League, and about half the world's governments recognize it today. It maintains embassies in these countries. The State of Palestine is not recognized by the United Nations, although the European Union, as well as most member states, maintain diplomatic ties with the Palestinian Authority, established under the Oslo Accords (Leila Shahid, envoy of the PLO to France since 1984, was named in November 2005 representative of the PNA for Europe).

Currently, the proclaimed State of Palestine is not an independent state, as it does not have any sovereignty over its claimed territory. The declaration was ignored and eventually rejected, by the State of Israel. Israel has controlled the territory claimed by the State of Palestine since the 1967 Six-Day War when it captured them from Egypt and Jordan.

The declaration is generally interpreted to have recognized Israel within its pre-1967 boundaries, or was at least a major step on the path to recognition. Just as in Israel's declaration of establishment, it partly bases its claims on UN GA 181. By reference to "resolutions of Arab Summits" and "UN resolutions since 1947" (like SC 242) it implicitly and perhaps ambiguously restricted its immediate claims to the Palestinian territories and Jerusalem. It was accompanied by a political statement that explicitly mentioned SC 242 and other UN resolutions and called only for withdrawal from "Arab Jerusalem" and the other "Arab territories occupied."[1] Yasser Arafat's statements in Geneva a month later were accepted by the United States as sufficient to remove the ambiguities it saw in the declaration and to fulfill the longheld conditions for open dialogue with the United States.

The PLO envisages the establishment of a State of Palestine to include all or part of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem (the Palestinian territories), living in peace with Israel under a democratically elected and sovereign government. To this end, it took part in negotiations with Israel resulting in the 1993 Declaration of Principles, which along with subsequent agreements between the two parties provided for the establishment of a Palestinian interim self-governing authority with "partial control over defined areas in the Palestinian territories.

This authority, known as the Palestinian Authority or Palestinian National Authority (PNA), however, does not claim sovereignty over any territory and therefore is not the government of the "State of Palestine" proclaimed in 1988.
 
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Jews =/= Israel. The vast majority of the world is opposed to the terrorist state of Israel, just as the majority of Catholics are.


In the book of Numbers (that's in the bible, Mezza) chapter 13, there were only 2 people out of the FOUR MILLION who left Eygpt that were able to walk into the promised land because they listened to God rather than man.

If it had been put to a vote, I'm sure the nations were "opposed" to Israel terrorizing those poor barbaric inhabitants and "occupying" the land God gave them. Pharoah sure didn't like it, but he was now at the bottom of the Red Sea.

Those two faithful men were Caleb and Joshua. God was not pleased with the rest of Israel so they all died in the wilderness. Popularity doesn't much matter to God and frankly, He doesn't care who "approves" of His will. He keeps His promises regardless...and the gifts and callings of God are irrevocable.

Hebrews 3

"Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion."[when they refused to take the land He gave them forever]
16 Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17 And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? 18 And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed[from taking the land]? 19 So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.


2 people out of 4 million is pretty big odds, I'd say.

We know who was obeying God though....




Several Catholic Priests have lost their lives due to Israeli military action in the holy land.


Yet zero Priests were ever targeted by Israel. The cowards of the PLO and Hamas hide behind innocent people so any blood is on their hands.

Ever been to Bethlehem? I have on a couple of occasions. On almost every wall it is written in Arabic "First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people". I have a few Palestinian friends there...some christian...some muslim. The christians are leaving in droves for fear of their life...but not from Israel.

One of my muslim friends was murdered by Arafat's thugs because he wanted to set up a business in Bethlehem and didn't have enough money to pay the PALESTINIAN extortion rates. They broke every rib until he was dead. His brother, Waji, still cries at the mention of Arafat's name though it has been over 10 years now.

Millions of catholics have lost their lives after being targeted for religious and ethnic cleansing in islamic lands. Does that delegitmize the entire Arab world? Of course not...so why do you throw out an accidental death as if it is the example? Honestly...I don't know of any priests who have died from Israeli gunfire but it's not impossible so I'll give you the benefit of much doubt.

For your own sake you need to drop the hate of Israel and the jews. It has made you too bitter for someone so young.
 
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