Another question for zionists:

[mont974x4]

Replacement theology is a false doctrine and ignores the passages about us Gentiles being grafted in and denies the faithfulness of God.


Regardless, look at the history of terror attacks against US interests and see how they corrolate to moves by our politicians to damage Isreal...for example, when they urge Isreal to give up her Promised Land for supposed "peace". Carter is an extreme anti-semite and we can see the damage of his legacy on our nation.


Also, Isreal has been a nation since, well, Abraham and God has never said those promises were transfered to someone else or that He changed His mind.


Your veiled attempts to hide your anti-semitism behind a label of anti-zionism so as to obey the CF rules is appalling and really only fools yourself.

 

[mont974x4]

Zionism, the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty in the Land of Israel, advocated, from its inception, tangible as well as spiritual aims. Jews of all persuasions, left and right, religious and secular, joined to form the Zionist movement and worked together toward these goals. Disagreements led to rifts, but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained. The term "Zionism" was coined in 1890 by Nathan Birnbaum.


In light of Scripture and God's promises, I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

 

[mont974x4]

BTW, I have not found Palestine mentioned in the Bible.

 

[FireQuest]

Replacement theology is a false doctrine and ignores the passages about us Gentiles being grafted in and denies the faithfulness of God.


Regardless, look at the history of terror attacks against US interests and see how they corrolate to moves by our politicians to damage Isreal...for example, when they urge Isreal to give up her Promised Land for supposed "peace". Carter is an extreme anti-semite and we can see the damage of his legacy on our nation.


Also, Isreal has been a nation since, well, Abraham and God has never said those promises were transfered to someone else or that He changed His mind.


Your veiled attempts to hide your anti-semitism behind a label of anti-zionism so as to obey the CF rules is appalling and really only fools yourself.

 

[MezzaMorta]

Regardless, look at the history of terror attacks against US interests and see how they corrolate to moves by our politicians to damage Isreal...for example, when they urge Isreal to give up her Promised Land for supposed "peace". Carter is an extreme anti-semite and we can see the damage of his legacy on our nation.

So President Bush hates Israel and that is why 9/11 and Iraq have occurred?

Let me ask you this, how come countless nations that support Israel have been cursed? Plagued with famine, Aids, wars, corruption, civil strife….

Isreal has been a nation since, well, Abraham and God has never said those promises were transfered to someone else or that He changed His mind.

The “Kingdom of Israel” existed for about 200 years over 2700 years ago. And for the vast majority of the time the Kingdom of Israel did not include Jerusalem, it did not include Gaza, or 60% of what is today modern Isreal.

If you want to claim that today’s Israel is an extension of Ancient Israel you will have to turn over most of the land South of Tel Aviv and move up into Lebanon, Syria and part of Jordan. Because that is where the ancient kingdom existed.

Your veiled attempts to hide your anti-semitism behind a label of anti-zionism so as to obey the CF rules is appalling and really only fools yourself.

Zionism is anti-Jewish. It is a secular socialist movement that has adopted certain aspects of religion to gain support.

Zionism, the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland

Unfortiantly Israel is not the homeland of the vast majority of Jews worldwide.

In light of Scripture and God's promises, I fail to see how this is a bad thing.

Maybe because Zionism brings racism to the holy land. It divides the people God gave the land to, causes conflict and oppression.

[FONT=&quot]BTW, I have not found Palestine mentioned in the Bible.[/FONT]

Philistia occurs quote a few, the ancient name Palestine is derived from.

 

[mont974x4]

God will continue to gather His children to the land He gave them.

 

[ContentInHim]

The USA and the world have received so many blessings from the Jewish people, it's nearly impossible to enumerate them. Think medical discoveries, Nobel prizes, economic advances.

As for the rest of the prophecy - curse those who curse you. Read Bill Koenig's Eye for Eye. It was a real - well - eye opener. Then in addition track events since the book was written. Consider please, Hurricane Katrina. It occurs just weeks after the USA pressured Israel into removing Israelis from Gaza. The removal of people was by two different forces, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that there was no cause and result!

 

[MezzaMorta]

[FONT=&quot] The USA and the world have received so many blessings from the Jewish people, it's nearly impossible to enumerate them. Think medical discoveries, Nobel prizes, economic advances.

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[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]So how come other nations which support Israel have not been blessed similarly? In fact one might suggest that many of them are cursed. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] Then there are also the nations which stand against Israel that are blessed.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] How do you explain that in context of your interpretation of the prophecy? [/FONT]
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Consider please, Hurricane Katrina. It occurs just weeks after the USA pressured Israel into removing Israelis from Gaza.

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[FONT=&quot] So God killed hundreds of poor black Americans because the US government “pressured” Israel into removing settlements from a portion of land that never was part of the “Kingdom of Israel”?[/FONT]

 

[ContentInHim]

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[FONT=&quot]So how come other nations which support Israel have not been blessed similarly? In fact one might suggest that many of them are cursed. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Then there are also the nations which stand against Israel that are blessed.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]How do you explain that in context of your interpretation of the prophecy? [/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]So God killed hundreds of poor black Americans because the US government “pressured” Israel into removing settlements from a portion of land that never was part of the “Kingdom of Israel”?[/FONT]

The only other nation to have supported Israel is Great Britain and they were similarly blessed when that support was firm. They were also cursed when that support wavered like just after WWII when they refused to allow Jews to enter the Jewish homeland. Their glorious empire began the slow slide into non-existance and their population became secular. Now they are in danger of becoming Muslim.

What nation has been against Israel and has been as blessed as the US or GB?

God did not kill hundreds of poor black Americans. The incompetent and corrupt governments of Louisiana and NOLA killed them. If the hurricane had hit Florida, Florida has plans in place for evacuation and resettlement. The blessing is that many of the victims of the NOLA hurricane took up offers to resettle in other places, some as far away as Idaho, and are working productive members of society instead of welfare queens.

As for Gaza not being part of the kingdom of Israel, let me correct you - as it was under Solomon. Also, it was part of the land given to Israel by God. I do agree that it took a bit of time for them to possess it! But with God, nothing is impossible, even after 4500 years!

 

[ContentInHim]

Sorry that took so long to post in its entirety - CF burped and then my computer burped.

 

[MezzaMorta]

[FONT=&quot] The only other nation to have supported Israel is Great Britain and they were similarly blessed when that support was firm. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] What are you talking about. Apartheid south Africa was arguably Israel’s biggest ally. Not only was it Apartheid South Africa that gave Israel nuclear weapons but it was Apartheid South Africa that provided Israel billions of dollars in aid, trade and military support. [/FONT] Look at South Africa today, they are plagued by AID’s, corruption, poverty and crime. South Africa has the highest crime rate in the world, the most murders per capita in the world, the largest decline in economic output in the world…. All this yet they were steadfast supporters of Israel…. Seems impossible considering your theory that those who support Israel are blessed.

[FONT=&quot] Now they are in danger of becoming Muslim.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Because a few million Muslims live in Great Britain? Whats the population of Great Britian again ? Per-Capita more Muslims live in the USA than England. [/FONT]

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What nation has been against Israel and has been as blessed as the US or GB?

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[FONT=&quot]Hmmm…. Canada, Sweeten, Norway, Finland, France, Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Check Republic, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait…. I could go on for awhile. [/FONT]

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God did not kill hundreds of poor black Americans. The incompetent and corrupt governments of Louisiana and NOLA killed them.

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[FONT=&quot]Maybe I am confused, but you just claimed that hurricane Katrina was a result of the US government pressuring Israel to remove it’s settlement from Gaza right?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] The blessing is that many of the victims of the NOLA hurricane took up offers to resettle in other places, some as far away as Idaho, and are working productive members of society instead of welfare queens.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] So now Black people are welfare “queens”…. Are you kidding me?[/FONT]

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As for Gaza not being part of the kingdom of Israel, let me correct you - as it was under Solomon.

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[FONT=&quot]No it wasn’t, it was at that time part of the remaining philistine kingdom.[/FONT]
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Also, it was part of the land given to Israel by God.

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[FONT=&quot] You mean given by God to the ancestors of Abraham, of which the Arabs are one… including the Palestinians’. [/FONT]

 

[mont974x4]

It was given to the Isrealites.

Will the sons of Ishmael be blessed? yes, in a fashion.

But His chosen people are the sons of Isaac.

 

[MezzaMorta]

It was given to the Isrealites.

Will the sons of Ishmael be blessed? yes, in a fashion.

But His chosen people are the sons of Isaac.

It was given to all the legitimate decants of Abraham. I and every other Arab alive today are closer related to the Abrahamic bloodline than the vast majority of Jews alive today are. [FONT=&quot][/FONT]

 

[mont974x4]

Follow the promise..it does not extend through Ishmael.

 

[ContentInHim]

MM, you have it backwards - Israel sold weapons to SA, not the other way around.

You have said before that the promise to Abraham went through Ishmael. You do realize that if that's so, then Jesus is NOT our messiah?



http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/Israel_SAfrica.html

 

[mont974x4]

(Act 3:13) "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.

(Act 5:30) "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross.

(Act 7:2) And he said, "Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,

(Act 7:45) "And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.

(Act 13:17) "The God of this people Israel chose our fathers and made the people great during their stay in the land of Egypt, and with an uplifted arm He led them out from it.

(Act 15:10) "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

(Act 22:3) "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated under Gamaliel, strictly according to the law of our fathers, being zealous for God just as you all are today.

(Act 22:14) "And he said, 'The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth.

(Act 24:14) "But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets;

(Act 26:6) "And now I am standing trial for the hope of the promise made by God to our fathers;


Nothing about Ishmael in the list of fathers.

 

[MezzaMorta]

MM, you have it backwards - Israel sold weapons to SA, not the other way around.

South Africa developed and tested nuclear weapons in the South Pacific, then then sold this technology to Israel. They supported Israel though weapons sales and financial aid. And no one can deny the fate of Apartheid South Africa... a nation that blessed and supported Israel destoryed in an instance, cursed by Aid's, poverty and coruption now.

Seems nations which bless Israel are just as likely to suffer a curse of God as they are blessing.

 

[MezzaMorta]

(Act 3:13) "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him.

(Act 5:30) "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross.

(Act 7:2) And he said, "Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran,

(Act 7:45) "And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David.

(Act 13:17) "The God of this people Israel chose our fathers and made the people great during their stay in the land of Egypt, and with an uplifted arm He led them out from it.

(Act 15:10) "Now therefore why do you put God to the test by placing upon the neck of the disciples a yoke which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

(Act 22:3) "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated under Gamaliel, strictly according to the law of our fathers, being zealous for God just as you all are today.

(Act 22:14) "And he said, 'The God of our fathers has appointed you to know His will and to see the Righteous One and to hear an utterance from His mouth.

(Act 24:14) "But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which they call a sect I do serve the God of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the Law and that is written in the Prophets;

(Act 26:6) "And now I am standing trial for the hope of the promise made by God to our fathers;


Nothing about Ishmael in the list of fathers.

The LORD appeared to Abram and said, "To your offspring [a] I will give this land." So he built an altar there to the LORD, who had appeared to him. (Gen.12:7)

On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river [a] of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates (Gen.15:18)


I and all other Arabs are decenents of Ishmael. Who was the first sone of Abraham, we are decendent of Abraham and part of God's promise of the holy land.

Unlike modern Jews, most of whom have absolutely no genetic connection to Abraham or the ancient Hebrew people.

 

[mont974x4]

Sorry, but you are wrong. Ismael was blessed but his was a different promise.

Gen 17:15 Then God said to Abraham, "As for Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall be her name.
Gen 17:16 "I will bless her, and indeed I will give you a son by her. Then I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of peoples will come from her."
Gen 17:17 Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said in his heart, "Will a child be born to a man one hundred years old? And will Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?"
Gen 17:18 And Abraham said to God, "Oh that Ishmael might live before You!"
Gen 17:19 But God said, "No, but Sarah your wife will bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him.
Gen 17:20 "As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.
Gen 17:21 "But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you at this season next year."


Your asertions remind me of thinigs I have heard from Muslims over the years.

 

[ContentInHim]

South Africa developed and tested nuclear weapons in the South Pacific, then then sold this technology to Israel. They supported Israel though weapons sales and financial aid. And no one can deny the fate of Apartheid South Africa... a nation that blessed and supported Israel destoryed in an instance, cursed by Aid's, poverty and coruption now.

Seems nations which bless Israel are just as likely to suffer a curse of God as they are blessing.


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Did you even look at what I posted? Probably not. Please post evidence to back your claim.