Another question for atheists

[Tnmusicman]

No, you can still use it as an example, which had nothing to do with the reasons you listed in the post I was responding to.

Incidentally, while I don't think it was actually a relevant objection you objected on the basis of what atheists actually do say. Which is exactly why people are objecting to your OP. You introduced something and aren't backing it up with what atheists actually say.

And for that matter, KC wasn't trying to give an actual example, he was trying to extract a general rule of behaviour from the hypothetical and wasn't attributing it to anyone. You, by contrast, are claiming that this is something that atheists actually do. You need to back that up - if you can't, retract the claim.

this has gotten so far away from where it started.
Look,the original post was about a comment on a youtube video (not IN the video but in the comments BELOW the video ) where a guy stated with seemingly no provication that "christians were a joke and didnt know anything"..thats it. SO,YES it came from a REAL PERSON. No,I cant remember the video so because I cant remember which one it was Im done with this thread for now. If I do find it again,I will open this back up.

 

[Gadarene]

this has gotten so far away from where it started.
Look,the original post was about a comment on a youtube video (not IN the video but in the comments BELOW the video ) where a guy stated with seemingly no provication that "christians were a joke and didnt know anything"..thats it. SO,YES it came from a REAL PERSON. No,I cant remember the video so because I cant remember which one it was Im done with this thread for now. If I do find it again,I will open this back up.

So you have a problem with an atheist, not atheists.

 

[Tnmusicman]

An example to illustrate what?
Why don´t you pick real examples for what you are claiming to be reality in your OP?

see #121

 

[Tnmusicman]

So you have a problem with an atheist, not atheists.

actually the bulk of my back and forths with atheists result in mis-stating or turning words around or asking a question from one of my statements but turning it around to show it saying nothing close to what I actually said.
A few times I have had good,honest conversations and exchange of ideas with atheists and found a few to be quite nice and respectable but no,the bulk of my dealings have been rather unpleasant but not all. No,dont even ask for an example because I cant show it to you as its conversations in threads.

 

[Tnmusicman]

And obviously someone who would believe something just because it's in another book feels that book is not just another book to them. Are you agreeing that their belief is justified?

It's also a bit misleading to say that you believe for more reasons than the Bible, and then use an example of what is written about Jesus in the Bible as an example of these other reasons. But I'll let that slide since it doesn't have much to do with my hypothetical response to your hypothetical discussion.

Quite possibly.

That's not faith. If science never answered a question and yet people believed it would in the future, that would be an example of faith. Seeing the fact that science produces all sorts of answers to previously unanswered questions and thinking that trend will continue is something else entirely.

But anyway, this is all a distraction from my question. Is faith based on reading something in a book reasonable or not? You seemed to think it was a great answer for a Christian to give to justify their beliefs, and yet here you seem to be implying that faith is bad when non-believers use it (even if your specific example wasn't actually an instance of faith). Like I said, there's a double-standard at work here.

Its not misleading,for petes sake. As a Christian you have personal experiance as well,not just the Bible.
You shouldnt have faith from JUST reading it in a book.
Im not implying its bad im saying that most atheists say that faith is bull**** so if thats the case you wouldnt use it as an example in a point you are trying to make. Thats the crux of the whole atheist agenda.Youre whole agenda is based on what you deem as evidence. Are you now saying that some atheists can have faith??

 

[Mling]

Its not misleading,for petes sake. As a Christian you have personal experiance as well,not just the Bible.
You shouldnt have faith from JUST reading it in a book.
Im not implying its bad im saying that most atheists say that faith is bull**** so if thats the case you wouldnt use it as an example in a point you are trying to make. Thats the crux of the whole atheist agenda.Youre whole agenda is based on what you deem as evidence. Are you now saying that some atheists can have faith??

There is no atheist agenda, because atheists are not an organized group. There is no more an atheist agenda than there is a brown-haired agenda or an archer's agenda.

 

[quatona]

actually the bulk of my back and forths with atheists result in mis-stating or turning words around or asking a question from one of my statements but turning it around to show it saying nothing close to what I actually said.
A few times I have had good,honest conversations and exchange of ideas with atheists and found a few to be quite nice and respectable but no,the bulk of my dealings have been rather unpleasant but not all. No,dont even ask for an example because I cant show it to you as its conversations in threads.

In my view, all the atheists in this thread have been very patient with you.

 

[Tnmusicman]

Thank you for the love. I will continue on my merry atheist way.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Love the dog picture,btw. Love the caption as well.

 

[quatona]

Are you now saying that some atheists can have faith??

Of course they can have faith in a lot of things. They just can´t have faith in god concepts (by definition).

 

[Tnmusicman]

In my view, all the atheists in this thread have been very patient with you.[

did I say that it was THIS thread!??
See, perfect example of infering something that I was not saying. Why did you do that?? I do talk with other people on other threads so it's entirely possible I was refering to other instances.

 

[Tnmusicman]

There is no atheist agenda, because atheists are not an organized group. There is no more an atheist agenda than there is a brown-haired agenda or an archer's agenda.

Do you or do you not,as an atheist, say over and over that faith is nonsense?
Seriously, it's the whole point behind the atheistic belief ( for lack of a better word) to not accept things on faith,correct??

 

[quatona]

In my view, all the atheists in this thread have been very patient with you.[

did I say that it was THIS thread!??

No.
Did I say you said it was THIS thread?
No. I just gave you my impression of this thread.

See, perfect example of infering something that I was not saying.

No, more like a perfect example of reading an inference into my statement that wasn´t intended.

Why did you do that??

Why did I do what??

I do talk with other people on other threads so it's entirely possible I was refering to other instances.

But I wasn´t, and it was my statement.
So (in case you agree that you have been treated patiently and respectfully in this thread despite your multiple generalisations and unsupported judgements about "most atheists"), I would expect this fact to be part of your "atheist behaviour" track record.

 

[Tnmusicman]

Of course they can have faith in a lot of things. They just can´t have faith in god concepts (by definition).

So, what things would atheists have faith in?

 

[Skaloop]

So, what things would atheists have faith in?

I'm trying to think of things that aren't just every day faith, like "the sun will rise tomorrow" but more religious-like faith, a belief in something based on little or no evidence. So, I dunno. The existence of intelligent extra-terrestrial life, possibly.

 

[quatona]

Do you or do you not,as an atheist, say over and over that faith is nonsense?

I highly doubt that I have ever said this. It´s not my opinion, after all.

Seriously, it's the whole point behind the atheistic belief ( for lack of a better word) to not accept things on faith,correct??

No, utterly incorrect.
Seriously, the whole point of being an atheist is a lack of belief in deities. Whatever reasons, arguments, attitudes, premises, paradigms, feelings (...) have lead a person to lack believe in the existence of deities is not predicated by the term "atheist".

 

[quatona]

So, what things would atheists have faith in?

They can have faith in anything but the existence of god concepts.
Personally, I have faith in quite a few ideas (which is completely independent from the fact that I don´t believe in god concepts -therefore these faith based positions of mine don´t belong here).

 

[Tnmusicman]

No.
Did I say you said it was THIS thread?
No. I just gave you my impression of this thread.


No, more like a perfect example of reading an inference into my statement that wasn´t intended.

Why did I do what??

But I wasn´t, and it was my statement.
So (in case you agree that you have been treated patiently and respectfully in this thread despite your multiple generalisations and unsupported judgements about "most atheists"), I would expect this fact to be part of your "atheist behaviour" track record.

It's not generalizations when it's the only experiance you have to go on.
You are playing games with me and I'm not continuing this. Thank you for further proving what I felt to be true about "most atheists".

 

[quatona]

It's not generalizations when it's the only experiance you have to go on.

Well, that was the very point of my statement: If you had only one experience so far, this thread has provided you with countless additional experiences.

You are playing games with me and I'm not continuing this. Thank you for further proving what I felt to be true about "most atheists".

You are basing your bias-confirming conclusions on uncharitable mind and intention readings? Ok. That pretty much answers your OP question.
It´s not like I proved your preconceptions true, but you shelter your preconceptions in a way that leaves no space for anything to the contrary. You have to thank yourself for this.

 

[keith99]

What is Faith?

Seriously. There are some very different definitions. I searched the internet for sayings about faith a few years ago. Some implied faith is what I would call foolishness. Believe without, nay in spite of evidence.

Some Christians actually seem to exhault such a faith, the more you can belive in spite of the evidence of your own eyes the more faith yuo have (and the implication is the better person or at least Christian you are).

But I found one gem in the dross.

Faith is not belief without evidence but trust without reservation.

Think on that. It fits very nicely for a Christian. A Christian with that kind of Faith says he has experienced his God, that his God has been faithful and there for him and that based on that experience he trusts his God without reservation.

 

[madaz]

Faith is not belief without evidence but trust without reservation.

Faith IS belief without evidence

Preference for one definition does not change the state of another definition to the negative sense.