Another Noah's thread (no stoning please :))

[SkyWriting]

No, their purpose is to entertain people.

Very few "trained rangers" have taken even one geology class. They are also not supposed to get into arguments with foolish tourists. If someone is blatantly wrong, say someone who believes in the Flood, they are trained to be polite and say "nobody knows".

So....who do you have in mind then? Specifically.
Because I'll be happy to research your source and
provide opposing views within your choice.

 

[SkyWriting]

Most animals do, in fact, expel waste as they hibernate.

In nature, no cleaning crews are needed.

Pretty sure they do. Can't imagine too many places hiring a biologist with absolutely no degree.

I can't argue with your imagination.

And you base this on your deep and abiding understanding of the field, I take it?

I do research.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I don't believe the Ark exists.

I believe Noah dismantled it to build his homestead.

Just my personal take on it, for the record.

That would actually be likely, and parts of it could have been burned. Most, if not all, of it was wood, so chances are any material that wouldn't have been used up would have rotted away. Even metal rusts and decays. If the ark existed, the chances of any of it being preserved well enough to identify it are practically 0

 

[PsychoSarah]

Most animals in the dark will sleep. Hibernation would work fine in this situation for many months. No cleaning, no food needed, no conflicts, and less room. There are no details at all about how the animals behaved, so hibernation may be one of the details not specified.

They were on the ark for over a year, most animals that can hibernate can only do so for about 100 days. Also, Noah and his family wouldn't have hibernated, and their waste alone would have been enough to be a problem.

 

[Black Akuma]

In nature, no cleaning crews are needed.

The Ark isn't nature, it's a sealed environment.

I can't argue with your imagination.

So I need to provide evidence that places won't hire individuals for advanced positions with no degrees in their field?

 

[AV1611VET]

That would actually be likely, and parts of it could have been burned. Most, if not all, of it was wood, so chances are any material that wouldn't have been used up would have rotted away. Even metal rusts and decays. If the ark existed, the chances of any of it being preserved well enough to identify it are practically 0

I agree.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Noah didn't even have a window open, the smell would have been bad enough to bring him to his knees.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I think that radical claims such as this chip away at the credibility that religion has, in the same way that fake fossils of ancient human ancestors chip at the credibility of evolution. It makes people feel they can't trust it.

 

[selfinflikted]

The saying - faith will set you free is quiet true.

Ironically, I think the saying is "The truth will set you free."

 

[AV1611VET]

I think that radical claims such as this chip away at the credibility that religion has, in the same way that fake fossils of ancient human ancestors chip at the credibility of evolution. It makes people feel they can't trust it.

Anyone who can't accept GOD DID IT as a viable solution to even the toughest challenges that science can throw Christianity's way has a worship problem, in my opinion.

I've said this here before, and it bears repeating:

The more improbable the story is, the more God stands out.

That's a lesson Jannes and Jambres learned firsthand.

 

[Seipai]

Anyone who can't accept GOD DID IT as a viable solution to even the toughest challenges that science can throw Christianity's way has a worship problem, in my opinion.

I've said this here before, and it bears repeating:

The more improbable the story is, the more God stands out.

That's a lesson Jannes and Jambres learned firsthand.

I disagree. The more righteous a story is the more God stands out for me. Magic tricks are for rubes.

 

[AV1611VET]

I disagree. The more righteous a story is the more God stands out for me. Magic tricks are for rubes.

As I said, Jannes and Jambres learned that firsthand.

 

[HitchSlap]

The saying - faith will set you free is quiet true.

So quiet, you can't even hear it.

 

[Loudmouth]

I do research.

That is a very strange chart. Biological research uses some very, very advanced and complex insturments such as confocal microscopes, flow assisted cytometers, mass spectrometers (with multiple techniques such as LC/MS and MS/MS), and DNA sequencers to name a few.

 

[bhsmte]

Anyone who can't accept GOD DID IT as a viable solution to even the toughest challenges that science can throw Christianity's way has a worship problem, in my opinion.

I've said this here before, and it bears repeating:

The more improbable the story is, the more God stands out.

That's a lesson Jannes and Jambres learned firsthand.

Or, the more improbable the story, the greater chance it was made up.

 

[Black Akuma]

That is a very strange chart. Biological research uses some very, very advanced and complex insturments such as confocal microscopes, flow assisted cytometers, mass spectrometers (with multiple techniques such as LC/MS and MS/MS), and DNA sequencers to name a few.

I think I figured out why.

It's a chart made by August Comte

Auguste Comte - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He died in 1857. Before any of that stuff was even dreamt of.

So basing the state of modern biology on the opinion of a man who died before we even knew what DNA was is somewhat...spurious.

 

[Edial]

So quiet, you can't even hear it.

I'm glad you found some use for my post.

 

[Edial]

I got some time and I'm in the mood for comedy. My comments as i go:

1:50 Clicky line machine. But "LINES ARE THERE!" No idea what this means.
4:00 flood mythologies are common in mythologies: Irrelevant. The central point of the peice is not that floods happen, but that one specific flood happened and that it left evidence which they have discovered. If I'm trying to prove that Billy stole my bike, I need to demonstrate that billy has a bike, that that bike is the same bike which I formerly had, and that it got there via theft. Saying, "lots of bikes are stolen every year!" is irrelevant.
8:40 Well, they just identified that lots of fake claims have been made.
10:40 getting bored.
12:32 evidence of a massive flood,
13:00 a planet sized object passing near enough to cause planet wide floods? No ship would survive such waters. I'm also wondering what such a flyby would do to the atmosphere.
20:00 "examined with a metal detector" Hmm, ark was made of wood. "man made alloys" which ones?
20:30 something that looks kind of like an anchor stone not by the supposed find? Oh, I mean a bunch of such stones, because there were a bunch of arks? A bunch of anchors for one ark that all got up and walked off?
25:00 BORED get to the data.
31:00 "molecular frequency generator discriminator" "no one knows how it works" let me google that: Ah, they are the same bogus devices that were sold as "bomb detectors" and have never been shown to reliably detect anything better than random chance. Explosive detection - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Basically, dowsing reveals patterns that the dowser wanted to reveal. Wow, shocking...
33:30 looks like a iron ore rock to me.
34:50 Ooo! radar! That's apparently the clicky line thing. apparently lines are there, but we are never told anything else about this test. but, um, lines are there?
40:00 moon pool. I'm assuming Noah didn't construct airlocks, meaning that the ship would need some alternate source of bouancy than the air withing the vessel. The proposed shape does not seem to provide that.
42:30 They show drawings of their proposed shape, but not any evidence that it is born out by the formation.

Ok, I'm done. Basically, it breaks down to "hey, we will use questionable methods to get the results we want then claim those results we wanted support the conclusions we already came to!"

Can't believe I wasted an hour of my life.

The funny part of this is that it is just laying there 515ft long, metal detectors practically outlined the whole thing and we are saying - what shape? Can't be Noah's Ark ... some other man-made structure ... 515 ft long.

It is comical.

 

[Edial]

...
A biologist does not even need a degree to hold their job.
Biology is the least reproducible and rigorous of the sciences.
Just a step above psychoanalysis.

I did not know biologists do not need a degree.
Interesting.

 

[bhsmte]

I did not know biologists do not need a degree.
Interesting.

What would be even more interesting, is if he actually believes what he wrote.