Another look at the moon landing.

[Apple Sky]

Why? Genesis 1 authors had no idea what the moon even is.

Oh ye of little faith.

 

[trophy33]

Oh ye of little faith.

Oh ye of confused faith.

 

[prodromos]

I don't think so, also I've read up about why rockets arch over instead of going straight up & i'm sorry to say it's all a load of bunk.

In your highly inflated opinion

There are no rockets that have been to space as they can't get through the firmament

The fact that they have been regularly going into space demonstrates that your understanding of "firmament" is completely wrong

this is how I know that they have never landed on the moon via Genesis I +.
Start having more faith in God's word instead of NASA's

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I don't need NASA's word for anything. I can see for myself that the earth is a globe in orbit around the distant sun and is itself orbited by the moon.
I have faith in God's Word, just not in your foolish interpretation of the same.

 

[Strong in Him]

No it's made of clear crystal, maybe ice.
This is what the rockets would crash into if they tried to get into the heavens or rather their supposed space

If there was any kind of "ceiling" made from ice, or crystal, rockets could smash straight through it.

King James Bible
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. Rev 16:21

Read that again, in context, and then tell me what it's got to do with rockets flying to the moon.

King James Bible
When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Has anyone told you that the Bible's not a science textbook?
Many people use poetry, or analogy to describe God's creation; that doesn't mean it is literal fact.

 

[Apple Sky]

If there was any kind of "ceiling" made from ice, or crystal, rockets could smash straight through it.

I don't think so.

Read that again, in context, and then tell me what it's got to do with rockets flying to the moon.

They wont get through the firmament.

Has anyone told you that the Bible's not a science textbook?
Many people use poetry, or analogy to describe God's creation; that doesn't mean it is literal fact.

No - So why does it reveal the truth ?

 

[Apple Sky]

The fact that they have been regularly going into space demonstrates that your understanding of "firmament" is completely wrong

So your more or less denying Gods words.

 

[prodromos]

So your more or less denying Gods words.

No, only your flawed interpretation.

 

[Strong in Him]

I don't think so.

Sorry, but given a choice between what you think and what other people know, have observed and experienced, I know which I trust.

No - So why does it reveal the truth ?

Just because something's a poem does not mean it is fiction.

There are many poems which describe real events; our poet Laureates write poems for royal anniversaries, weddings and coronations. There are poems like "The charge of the light brigade", about the Crimean war. Wilfred Owen, and others, wrote war poems - poems about factual events.
In the Bible, the Psalmists write about the exodus, God parting the red sea and so on.

All these things - the exodus, the wars, coronations etc happened and there are many accounts written in prose. Some people also decided to express their thoughts in poetry.
The events behind them may be perfectly true, but it doesn't mean that every word is a factual description.
That's not what poetry is; it's a different genre to prose or a historical report.

So in the book of Exodus, Moses said "by the blast of your nostrils the waters piled up, the surging waters stood upright as a wall", Exodus 15:8.
That doesn't mean that the Lord literally has nostrils (because he is Spirit) nor that he snorted down them. In the previous chapter Moses says "all night long the Lord drove back the waters with a mighty East wind", Exodus 14:21.
Did Moses contradict himself? No. The poem in chapter 15 is a way of describing and expressing what happened in chapter 14; the factual event.
In the Psalms, David says that God has pitched a tent for the sun, which emerges from it like a bridegroom. Does that mean that the sun lives in a canvas tent in the sky and comes out every morning dressed in top hat and tails? No; he is saying that the sun comes up every morning and fills the whole earth with its warmth.

 

[Apple Sky]

Sorry, but given a choice between what you think and what other people know, have observed and experienced, I know which I trust.


Just because something's a poem does not mean it is fiction.

There are many poems which describe real events; our poet Laureates write poems for royal anniversaries, weddings and coronations. There are poems like "The charge of the light brigade", about the Crimean war. Wilfred Owen, and others, wrote war poems - poems about factual events.
In the Bible, the Psalmists write about the exodus, God parting the red sea and so on.

All these things - the exodus, the wars, coronations etc happened and there are many accounts written in prose. Some people also decided to express their thoughts in poetry.
The events behind them may be perfectly true, but it doesn't mean that every word is a factual description.
That's not what poetry is; it's a different genre to prose or a historical report.

So in the book of Exodus, Moses said "by the blast of your nostrils the waters piled up, the surging waters stood upright as a wall", Exodus 15:8.
That doesn't mean that the Lord literally has nostrils (because he is Spirit) nor that he snorted down them. In the previous chapter Moses says "all night long the Lord drove back the waters with a mighty East wind", Exodus 14:21.
Did Moses contradict himself? No. The poem in chapter 15 is a way of describing and expressing what happened in chapter 14; the factual event.
In the Psalms, David says that God has pitched a tent for the sun, which emerges from it like a bridegroom. Does that mean that the sun lives in a canvas tent in the sky and comes out every morning dressed in top hat and tails? No; he is saying that the sun comes up every morning and fills the whole earth with its warmth.

I was waiting for this nonsense to turn to up again ...............

 

[trophy33]

I was waiting for this nonsense to turn to up again ...............

Your ego is too inflated. You are calling people liars and judging various subjects as nonsense or dismissing them just with saying "I dont think so", while you are lacking even a basic knowledge of those subjects.

So far, you were unable to argument in a solid way.

 

[Apple Sky]

So far, you were unable to argument in a solid way.

Who's arguing ?

 

[trophy33]

Who's arguing ?

Your arguments are silly, showing your lack of basic knowledge, your lack of ability to verify claims or to even just search for answers (which is, in the age of AI, literally just about putting the same question into another browser tab - and you are still somehow unable to do it).

Your ego is inflated and you act like some kind of ultimate authority, judging what is right and wrong just by claiming it, without a need to prove it. On the other hand, you want an unending stream of proofs from us, just to dismiss them as "nonsense", without any solid reasoning from your side, of course.

 

[Strong in Him]

I was waiting for this nonsense to turn to up again ...............

It's perfectly true.
But it seems you don't understand the different writings of the Bible, nor the need to study genre, context and everything else.

I once believed as you did; that every word of Scripture had to be literally true. Then I started senior school.
Studying the Bible does not devalue it; quite the opposite. If we do not understand the type of writing, the people it is addressed to, the context, background and what those hearing these words would have understood them to mean, we make the Bible say something that its authors never intended it to say. Studying all that, plus the language in which it was written, teaches us a lot.

It's a shame you don't seem to be able to see that.

 

[Apple Sky]

It's perfectly true.
But it seems you don't understand the different writings of the Bible, nor the need to study genre, context and everything else.

I once believed as you did; that every word of Scripture had to be literally true. Then I started senior school.
Studying the Bible does not devalue it; quite the opposite. If we do not understand the type of writing, the people it is addressed to, the context, background and what those hearing these words would have understood them to mean, we make the Bible say something that its authors never intended it to say. Studying all that, plus the language in which it was written, teaches us a lot.

It's a shame you don't seem to be able to see that.

So the Bible's not all it's cracked up to be ?
However I shall endeavor to learn, but in the mean time i'm sticking with the literal.

 

[peaceful-forest]

 

[Strong in Him]

So the Bible's not all it's cracked up to be ?

The Bible is true, inspired and contains God's word - including prophecies about, and teachings from, THE Word of God; Jesus.

But it is not dictated. It was written by men, who did not go into a trance or put their personalities, or gifts, on hold.
So we read about Moses arguing with God, Jonah running away, James and John, the sons of thunder, wanting to call fire down from heaven to destroy the Samaritans and Paul getting so frustrated with those who taught circumcision for salvation that he told them to go and castrate themselves! He also had a sharp argument with Barnabas (the one who had convinced the Apostles that he was genuine) and calling Peter a hypocrite. Did God inspire those things; did he tell men to emasculate themselves? Should they take that literally today? Of course not - Paul was just showing how frustrated he was with those who tried to water down the Gospel and make it "Jesus + ...."
Luke was a historian and doctor. He included historical details that others did not include and, I'm told, he used the correct, medical terms for healing, bleeding etc - naturally, as he was a doctor. He also spoke, and wrote, classical Greek. Whereas the author of 1 John (or Revelation, I can't remember which) apparently had many grammatical mistakes in his book. That doesn't mean that these latter books aren't true.

There are many types of writing in the Bible too - prophecy, poetry, allegory, parables, proverbs, history, pastoral letters and apocalyptic writings. We need to understand the type of writing that is being used - and it is not all literal.
We find this even in our everyday lives.
For example, I'm sure you know what a recipe is. If you were making a cake, you would follow it, taking literal flour, eggs, butter and so on.
You may also have seen those poems/inspirational writings "recipe for a happy home/marriage/friendship. Take one cup of kindness, two spoons of laughter, four ounces of forgiveness" etc. etc. Would you literally try to measure kindness into a t cup? Would you put forgiveness onto the scales and say I mustn't use too much"? Of course not. You would understand that someone was using allegory - the "ingredients needed for a good relationship."
If you heard someone say "it's raining cats and dogs" would you expect 4 legged furry creatures to be falling from the sky? No, yu would understand that that is an expression meaning "it is raining very hard." And if you don't have that expression in your part of the world, you'd say something else.

None of this means that the Bible is not true or "all it's cracked up to be".

However I shall endeavor to learn, but in the mean time i'm sticking with the literal.

Well I'm afraid you may find it difficult to understand, and apply, then.

 

[Strong in Him]

Who's arguing ?

Well you were being argumentative.
Instead of trying to engage with what I wrote, you dismissed it all as nonsense.

Maybe it is to you; you clearly don't understand.

 

[peaceful-forest]

This is a short TikTok video on Gab about the moon landing and flat earth. I recommend anyone to watch it, regardless of your beliefs.

Gab Social

Gab is a social network that champions free speech, individual liberty and the free flow of information online. All are welcome.

gab.com

 

[Apple Sky]

This is a short TikTok video on Gab about the moon landing and flat earth. I recommend anyone to watch it, regardless of your beliefs.

Gab Social

Gab is a social network that champions free speech, individual liberty and the free flow of information online. All are welcome.

gab.com

Great video, short & to the point. Thanks

 

[Apple Sky]

Instead of trying to engage with what I wrote, you dismissed it all as nonsense.

I know, sorry for that.