Another Example of Intolerable Extremists

[rjs330]

You just want the very first part of it to go away.

You're still barking up the wrong tree. You are a terrible mind reader. Don't quit your day job. If you continue down this path you may stumble into deliberately being dishonest about what I've stated.

Can you quote the statute? I mean, it's not established if it's not a law, right?

Correct, but I'm not the one who has been claiming that endorsing something in the same thing as establishing which is the same thing as creating a law.

 

[rjs330]

The far right has a very easy time inventing opinions for other people. It's their salient ability. If anyone disagrees with them and doesn't wish to accept or give in to their demands, he must assume that they are haters.

I don't believe we are the ones running g around accusing everyone who disagrees with us a hater. That's the lefts mantra. You might be accidentally looking in a mirror.

 

[FireDragon76]

You do know the difference between a society and a government correct? The military is a direct representation of the US government, not the society that elects that government. A Godless society? No, thank you. A Godless government? I believe it's one of the most important parts of the Constitution. "Separation of Church and State."

Do you believe that Church and State should be separate?

The Enlightenment conceptualization of society (which was the background for the Founding Fathers of the US) isn't necessarily godless, but one in which religion is a separate sphere. The reason for this is because of the terrible history of European wars of religion, where Church and State were regularly confused.

In fact, the concept of separation of Church and State embraced by John Locke actually came from a Protestant theologian, Sebastian Castellio, a one-time friend of Calvin who became a vociferous critic and opposed to what he saw as Calvin's tyrrany against religious opponents.

 

[Apple Sky]

This is nothing compared to NASA who Banned the name 'Jesus'.

NASA bans the word 'Jesus'

The name of Jesus is not welcome in the Johnson Space Center newsletter, according to a complaint filed on behalf of a group of Christians who work for NASA.

www.fox26houston.com

 

[trophy33]

This is nothing compared to NASA who Banned the name 'Jesus'.

NASA bans the word 'Jesus'

The name of Jesus is not welcome in the Johnson Space Center newsletter, according to a complaint filed on behalf of a group of Christians who work for NASA.

www.fox26houston.com

NASA did not "ban" the name Jesus. NASA, as a government organization, is trying to be more religiously neutral last years (even though they allowed Christianity to be freely propagated among employees for decades, they for example let astronauts to quote the Bible during space missions etc.).

However, the more diverse the stuff becomes, the more complicated it is to manage the religious freedom of other employees who are not Christians. As you would not like to receive work emails about Allah, Buddha or Vishnu, so also other people do not like receiving work emails with Christian themes.

In my European view, all workplaces should be purely secular, without any non-work agenda. Companies should focus on making profit or on their technological goals, not on social, political or religious issues. At least while we live in a man-organized society.

 

[Apple Sky]

In my European view, all workplaces should be purely secular, without any non-work agenda. Companies should focus on making profit or on their technological goals, not on social, political or religious issues. At least while we live in a man-organized society.

So what your saying basically is that Religion should be left out of the equation ?

What about the women who lost her job through the wearing of a crucifix round her neck ?

Or A school assistant who was sacked and had her Christian beliefs compared to Neo-Nazism for opposing transgender ideology.

In 2019, I lost my job as a school chaplain at Trent College, a private school in Derbyshire, and was secretly reported to Prevent, the UK’s counter-extremism programme, by the school’s headmaster.

A CHRISTIAN nursery worker, Sarah Mbuyi, who was sacked after ... that she had been discriminated against because of her Christian beliefs

I can pull up these articles if necessary.

There's to much WOKE in the world today.

NASA did not "ban" the name Jesus.

Try reading the article again.

Liberty Institute, one of the nation’s largest religious liberty law firms, threatened to file a federal lawsuit unless NASA apologizes and stops censoring the name ‘Jesus’.

 

[trophy33]

So what your saying basically is that Religion should be left out of the equation ?

Out of the workplace. And not just religion, but also all social and political issues and agendas (transgenderism, pride days, abortions and similar).

What about the women who lost her job through the wearing of a crucifix round her neck ?

There are some grey areas I have no firm opinions about. For example about wearing private individual religious symbols, like decent crosses, in a workplace. I guess this would need some public discussion to find a balance between personal freedoms and public workplace policies. If we allow crosses, do we also allow burkas or statutes of Buddha on work desks? LGBT t-shirts or flags? Communism manifesto on the walls?

Any company and any employee should behave rationally and if somebody wears a cross and its against the company's policy, a normal calm talk to put the cross under the shirt should be enough for all rational actors. No need to make it emotional, to fire employees, to take it to courts etc.

On the other hand, as Christian employees are required to behave neutrally, so I also require companies to act neutrally and to not participate in anything which is not related to work. No controversial social, religious or political activism.

Try reading the article again.

Liberty Institute, one of the nation’s largest religious liberty law firms, threatened to file a federal lawsuit unless NASA apologizes and stops censoring the name ‘Jesus’.

Its not a ban on the name of Jesus. Its a policy on any religious themes in the workplace, as I understand it. They do not want Allah, Vishnu, Buddha, Ra, Thor or Satan to be in the work emails, instead.

Therefore, its not "anti Christian" per se, its simply a policy to be religiously neutral as a workplace. Which is fair, IMHO, if they will keep it really neutral and not just against Jesus/Christians.

 

[Apple Sky]

Its not a ban on the name of Jesus. Its a policy on any religious themes in the workplace, as I understand it.

No it wasn't it was a ban on the name Jesus.

 

[trophy33]

No it wasn't it was a ban on the name Jesus.

It may only seem so, because there may be no other religious groups active in NASA emails. Let us not be quick in judgement, we have only some journalists's articles, not a real insight info.

 

[Apple Sky]

On the other hand, as Christian employees are required to behave neutrally, so I also require companies to act neutrally and to not participate in anything which is not related to work

What about this guy, the chaplain, who's job was related Christianity ?

In 2019, I lost my job as a school chaplain at Trent College, a private school in Derbyshire, and was secretly reported to Prevent, the UK’s counter-extremism programme, by the school’s headmaster.

And as the years pass by it's only going to get worse. They are already pipe-lining a one world Religion.

 

[trophy33]

What about this guy, the chaplain, who's job was related Christianity ?

I am not familiar with the case. However, I see the current UK as being extremely decadent, isolated, unhealthy, poor, dangerous and irrational in many areas. One of the worst countries to live in, in the European context.
No personal experience, just my opinion from outside, based on various information.

And as the years pass by it's only going to get worse. They are already pipe-lining a one world Religion.

The "one world religion" - which is it? And who are "they"?

 

[Astrid]

No it wasn't it was a ban on the name Jesus.

We've noticed that the yec have nothing
real to say against evolution, so invariably
resort to half truths, distortions, misrepresentations,
and outright falsehoods.
Likewise with this " war on Christianity in America"
nonsense.
The whole story is never like the tabloid headline.


Ironical sidenote, the same conservatives who
consider the constitution to be god- inspired only
like it when it says what they like.

 

[Apple Sky]

Regarding the "one world religion" - which is it? And who are "they"?

A new religion is emerging and it is spreading fast. Unlike religious takeovers of the past, there is no fight taking place. In fact, the followers of many other belief systems have been quick to embrace it and incorporate it into their doctrine. It is a non-judgmental, feel-good religion of ecumenism and inclusion and acceptance of all people and all lifestyles. There is only one group of people who are rejected from this new global religion – the followers of Jesus Christ. Join Amir Tsarfati for his new teaching, The Rise of the One World Religion, as he examines this new system that will eventually unite all people under one man – the antichrist.

 

[trophy33]

A new religion is emerging and it is spreading fast. Unlike religious takeovers of the past, there is no fight taking place. In fact, the followers of many other belief systems have been quick to embrace it and incorporate it into their doctrine. It is a non-judgmental, feel-good religion of ecumenism and inclusion and acceptance of all people and all lifestyles. There is only one group of people who are rejected from this new global religion – the followers of Jesus Christ. Join Amir Tsarfati for his new teaching, The Rise of the One World Religion, as he examines this new system that will eventually unite all people under one man – the antichrist.

Can you demonstrate how it would work in a real world?

How could half-orthodox, half-Muslim Russia, half-Christian, half-irreligious Europe, half-Buddhist, half-irreligious China, mostly Roman Catholic South America, mostly protestant USA, irreligious Canada, about a billion of Hinds in India and Islamic Middle-East and Northern Africa be all forced to accept "one religion"? Its quite unthinkable.

Let us not fall for free internet content easily, youtube people are not required to be right. They can say whatever they want.

 

[Astrid]

A new religion is emerging and it is spreading fast. Unlike religious takeovers of the past, there is no fight taking place. In fact, the followers of many other belief systems have been quick to embrace it and incorporate it into their doctrine. It is a non-judgmental, feel-good religion of ecumenism and inclusion and acceptance of all people and all lifestyles. There is only one group of people who are rejected from this new global religion – the followers of Jesus Christ. Join Amir Tsarfati for his new teaching, The Rise of the One World Religion, as he examines this new system that will eventually unite all people under one man – the antichrist.

Isn't there a conspiracy section?

 

[Astrid]

Can you demonstrate how it would work in a real world?

How could half-orthodox, half-Muslim Russia, half-Christian, half-irreligious Europe, half-Buddhist, half-irreligious China, mostly Roman Catholic South America, mostly protestant USA, irreligious Canada, about a billion of Hinds in India and Islamic Middle-East and Northern Africa be all forced to accept "one religion"? Its quite unthinkable.

Let us not fall for free internet content easily, youtube people are not required to be right. They can say whatever they want.

Just try forcing the Chinese to accept it.

 

[trophy33]

Just try forcing the Chinese to accept it.

Or any other mentioned part of the world. We live in an era with multiple powerful international players and none of them can be forced to do anything of such kind. Well, maybe Canada - even though its a large land, neither the military power nor religious conviction there is great.

I should also add Turkey and Japan, as other players able to resist any such outside religious attempts.

 

[o_mlly]

Being a Christian does not take away any rights.

Says the atheist who cannot be bothered studying Christian theology. Where's my dustbin?

The subject of the thread is (broadly) the rights of individuals under the Constitution, theology is irrelevant.

"Your honor, the witness continues to be non-responsive."

 

[o_mlly]

We have given you multiple explicit demonstrations and examples including text from the author of the first amendment and you some how manage to invert the arguments plainly made.

Nope. Apparently, you have not kept up with the case that is the topic of this thread. The court holds that the SoS arguments are valid (not "inverted").

The DoD filed a motion to dismiss the case in a Texas federal court, but a judge recently ruled that SoS could move forward with their lawsuit against the department citing First Amendment violations.

"The First Amendment claims survive that test. Because the Constitution itself provides judicially manageable standards, a claim that agency action violates the Constitution is reviewable unless Congress's intent to bar review is 'clear.' And nothing establishes such a 'clear' bar to review of constitutional claims here," reads the ruling.

Stay tuned and please stay on topic.

Count	Description	Ruling
1	Licensing-Free Speech Clause	Dismissed as to damages only; otherwise live
2	Licensing-Free Exercise Clause	Dismissed as to damages only; otherwise live
3	Licensing-Establishment Clause	Dismissed
4 & 6	Noninfringement- expressive work/ free speech	Dismissed as to the Navy; live as to substantially fixed designs underlying other branches' orders
5	Noninfringement- no likely confusion/fair use	Dismissed as to the Navy; live as to substantially fixed designs underlying other branches' orders
7	Noninfringement- generic mark	Dismissed as to the Navy; live as to substantially fixed designs underlying other branches' orders
8	Licensing-RFRA	Dismissed as to damages and third parties' rights only; other-

9	Licensing-APA vacatur of actions contrary to law	Live
10	Licensing-APA vacatur of ac-tions beyond statutory power	Live
11	Licensing-APA arbitrary-and-capricious claim	Dismissed
12	Noninfringement-fraudulent procurement	Dismissed
13	Noninfringement-insignia of the United States	Live as to one Marine Corps and two Army marks on the designs cited above; otherwise dismissed

Shields of Strength v. U.S. Dep't of Def., 6:21-cv-00484, 36-37 (E.D. Tex. May. 31, 2024)

 

[o_mlly]

I did precisely that in #122. I quoted you:
Well, let's take a look. I quoted this:
C'mon. It's still on the board. No point in denying it.

My post stands as written. What I deny is your strawman. Your attempt at a strawman fallacy is in your erroneous alteration of that post. Look it up.