Another Argument Against Flat Earth

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Have the FEs figured out yet what 'went wrong' with their laser gyroscope measurements that precessed just as a rotating Earth predicts?

 

[SeventyOne]

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Have the FEs figured out yet what 'went wrong' with their laser gyroscope measurements that precessed just as a rotating Earth predicts?

You mean the one that replicated the Michelson-Gale experiment measuring the rotation of the ether over the surface on the earth? Yup, almost a year ago now.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

You mean the one that replicated the Michelson-Gale experiment measuring the rotation of the ether over the surface on the earth? Yup, almost a year ago now.

No, the one measuring gyroscope precession due to Earth's rotation.

 

[Paulos23]

The more I look into this measurement by lasers, the more I find out about why this wasn't done before. Refraction.

here is an article that covers the details well, as well as a test t hat is easier to do.

https://flatearthlunacy.com/index.p...-water-horizon-are-inconclusive-and-worthless

i am not sure how they handled this with the latest test, but I would not be surprised if they didn't account for refraction, since if they ignored that they could claim flat earth.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The more I look into this measurement by lasers, the more I find out about why this wasn't done before. Refraction.

The one I was referring to used a ring laser gyroscope to measure the Earth's precession; they got the 15 degrees precession a rotating Earth predicts. Refraction wasn't an issue.

 

[SeventyOne]

No, the one measuring gyroscope precession due to Earth's rotation.

Yea, the one that measured the ether. That's what I said.

 

[SeventyOne]

The more I look into this measurement by lasers, the more I find out about why this wasn't done before. Refraction.

here is an article that covers the details well, as well as a test t hat is easier to do.

flat Earth FAIL - Why ALL flat Earth laser experiments beyond the land-water horizon are inconclusive and worthless

i am not sure how they handled this with the latest test, but I would not be surprised if they didn't account for refraction, since if they ignored that they could claim flat earth.

There are numerous people working with incorporating and mitigating refraction. It's actually not as big an issue as you would think.

 

[Paulos23]

The one I was referring to used a ring laser gyroscope to measure the Earth's precession; they got the 15 degrees precession a rotating Earth predicts. Refraction wasn't an issue.

Oh, I wasn't referring to that one. Though it is funny that it shows a moving earth and they don't accept it.

 

[Paulos23]

There are numerous people working with incorporating and mitigating refraction. It's actually not as big an issue as you would think.

Well then, I can't wait to see the results.

But given all the other evidence for a round earth, I don't think they will find a flat earth.

 

[SeventyOne]

Well then, I can't wait to see the results.

But given all the other evidence for a round earth, I don't think they will find a flat earth.

I've seen the preliminary results. The channel where it should ultimately reside would be MrThriveAndSurvive.

The problem the globe has is they tell us a definite circumference for earth, but measurements never even come close to the required measurement. The closest I've ever seen was a Stephen Hawking documentary where they take 3 measurements, close to shore, 3 miles, and 6 miles away. They completely botch the 3 and 6-mile measurements because they gave the measurements from the perspective on the ground level, not their laser level, and even got caught faking some video footage for the 6-mile measurement. At that point it becomes obvious propaganda. Only other one I saw claiming to measure curve was a NatGeo piece with some boat holding a banner with horizontal lines who claimed the lines at the bottom disappeared due to the curve. The only problem was the horizon line could still be seen ahead of the boat. Idiots.

Funny thing is that neither ever even mentioned refraction. That seems to only be a concern for globers who want to discount all these measurements over the last few years which don't show curvature. Even though some measurements have been inconclusive as to the complete flatness (others have), there aren't any demonstrating the ball, and that's something globers should be really concerned about. There aren't any people out there proving the globe measurements that I'm aware of.

 

[Strathos]

Not yet that I'm aware of. But again, completely unnecessary.

It's necessary if you want to convince me.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yea, the one that measured the ether. That's what I said.

No, the one I'm talking about uses the Sagnac effect (rotational interferometry). That there is no measurable directional aether has been demonstrated many times.

 

[Aman777]

But given all the other evidence for a round earth, I don't think they will find a flat earth.

Take a container and put water into the bottom of it and put dry ground on top of that and you have an instant flat Earth. That's the way Genesis 1:9-10 shows how God made Adam's flat Earth. Gen 1:9 It's another Scriptural fact which most people ignore since they falsely assume that ALL life came from the present planet Earth. That's FALSE.

 

[Paulos23]

I've seen the preliminary results. The channel where it should ultimately reside would be MrThriveAndSurvive.

Preliminary results are just that, preliminary. I would hate for them to come forth with one result and then find out they forgot to carry the two.

The problem the globe has is they tell us a definite circumference for earth, but measurements never even come close to the required measurement. The closest I've ever seen was a Stephen Hawking documentary where they take 3 measurements, close to shore, 3 miles, and 6 miles away. They completely botch the 3 and 6-mile measurements because they gave the measurements from the perspective on the ground level, not their laser level, and even got caught faking some video footage for the 6-mile measurement. At that point it becomes obvious propaganda. Only other one I saw claiming to measure curve was a NatGeo piece with some boat holding a banner with horizontal lines who claimed the lines at the bottom disappeared due to the curve. The only problem was the horizon line could still be seen ahead of the boat. Idiots.

Why are you guys so stuck on this measuring thing? There are hundreds of ways that measuring the curve of the surface can, and does, go wrong. Why not look at the stellar information we have, the navigation we do across the sea by the stars that are based on us being on a globe. Or the shapes of the other planets?

Funny thing is that neither ever even mentioned refraction. That seems to only be a concern for globers who want to discount all these measurements over the last few years which don't show curvature. Even though some measurements have been inconclusive as to the complete flatness (others have), there aren't any demonstrating the ball, and that's something globers should be really concerned about. There aren't any people out there proving the globe measurements that I'm aware of.

Read the blog post from a scientist on why refraction matters.

As for why there are measurements not showing a curve, I am unfamiliar with any that don't show a curve. The ones they claim show the earth is flat I am sure are due to experimental error.

Which is why one should question oneself and the experment before declaring something that flys in the face of all other evidence. I remember doing basic physics experiments with a ball and ramp. My results were always off. But the reason was me, or a math mistake, or something with the equipment.

You need to check, and then recheck, and then have someone else check the results. Otherwise, you can end up with poor results.

 

[Paulos23]

Take a container and put water into the bottom of it and put dry ground on top of that and you have an instant flat Earth. That's the way Genesis 1:9-10 shows how God made Adam's flat Earth. Gen 1:9 It's another Scriptural fact which most people ignore since they falsely assume that ALL life came from the present planet Earth. That's FALSE.

I am familiar with your pet theory. Not the subject of this thread.

 

[USincognito]

They completely botch the 3 and 6-mile measurements because they gave the measurements from the perspective on the ground level, not their laser level, {snip}

Is this a variation on "the horizon always rises to eye level"?

 

[Aman777]

I am familiar with your pet theory. Not the subject of this thread.

I just showed you how God made Adam's FLAT Earth Scripturally on this thread which is named Another Argument Against Flat Earth. There is no argument against a Scriptural Flat Earth since it was the Earth of Adam. My "pet theory" is God's Truth which agrees with every other discovered Truth.

 

[pitabread]

My "pet theory" is God's Truth which agrees with every other discovered Truth.

Except when it doesn't and then you make up a bunch of creationist fan fiction to deal with the contradictions.

 

[Paulos23]

I just showed you how God made Adam's FLAT Earth Scripturally on this thread which is named Another Argument Against Flat Earth. There is no argument against a Scriptural Flat Earth since it was the Earth of Adam. My "pet theory" is God's Truth which agrees with every other discovered Truth.

You did not show me. You described you idea of Edan as another dimension, which has nothing to do with this Earth, much less show evidence that your extra dimensional Edan exists.

Been there, done that with you before. Done now.

 

[patrick jane]

I've told you multiple times the kind of evidence I'm looking for. You are the one who refuses to even attempt to provide it.

Nobody can get to the edge because of the size, the distances, the weather, temperatures, fuel capacity and communications. The frozen land beyond the ice wall could be tens of thousands of miles and cannot be traversed. That's what they discovered from images taken from rockets in the late 40s and 50s. They certainly would run out and tell the world that science is dead wrong about cosmology and the Bible is true and accurate.