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If you think that's the case, answer me this -Does Christ mean "death" when he calls the Lake of Fire the second death? And I don't mean a pasted answer that you always paste like this,
A simple answer to a simple question, does Christ mean "death" in this instance? It should be a simple yes or no to this question. You either believe he means "death" or he doesn't.
Not a reality, sorry.
Or body and soul destroyed ? After resurrection.
Or each man is resurrected according to God's Word, for eternal life or for judgment .
"And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us".
Does Jesus use false information to teach His truth?Not a reality, sorry.
Does Jesus use false information to teach His truth?
I agree Jesus did NOT lie.If Luke 16 is a lie, then Jesus is a Liar.
I have replied to you many times in the past. It's all about context. You are clearly posting these verses out of context to what Christ is stating.I gave you a simple answer backed up with scripture. Are you familiar with the concept of quoting "in context"? You are pulling one word out-of-context and trying to make it always mean the same thing in every context.
Can you contradict anything I have previously posted e.g. what you quoted in the previous post.
Revelation 21:4(4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.If there is no more death after Rev 21:4 then the groups of people in Rev 21:8 do not die.
Revelation 21:8(8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.And in the last chapter, no more salvation, no more death, the groups of people in Rev 22:11 and Rev 22:15 do not die.
Revelation 22:11(11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.Revelation 22:15(15) For without [outside the New Jerusalem] are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.This group of people parallels the group in Rev 21:8.
You accuse me of quoting out-of-context. Then you quote Rev 21:6 and ignore the "context" you have claimed.I have replied to you many times in the past. It's all about context. You are clearly posting these verses out of context to what Christ is stating.
You have posted verses but have omitted out the verses which pertain to the very context of what's being said. You lose the context when you do this.
Revelation 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."
He's stating it is done. So we know anything after that is said is him reiterating what "will happen" at Judgement Day. When Christ himself states it is done. We can't just start things again like you are doing with these verses cleary taken out of context. Christ is stating what will happen to those who overcome and those who don't. Others have stated this to you in the past but you keep pasting the same replies.
And it's clear with your refusal to answer a simple yes or no means you don't believe Christ means "death" in this instance. That's all you had to state.
Revelation 21:6 "And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."
Don't know the percentage but believe it because it is Biblical. Matthew 25:46.What percentage of Christians believe in ECT ??? And why do they ????
Don't know the percentage but believe it because it is Biblical. Matthew 25:46.
Dialogue of Justin, Philosopher and Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew. Chap. IV.
“‘Then these reap no advantage from their punishment, as it seems: moreover, I would say that they are not punished unless they are conscious of the punishment."
I see no contradictions and don't see a simple yes or no to the question I asked. I took the entire verses of Revelation in context. After Judgement Day Christ claims "I make all things new and in the next verse it is done. As I said he brings us back to the present moment with John. For some reason you can't see that.Can you not see the contradiction?
In your haste to inform me of your "superior" knowledge you failed to consider the end of the book.I see no contradictions and don't see a simple yes or no to the question I asked. I took the entire verses of Revelation in context. After Judgement Day Christ claims "I make all things new and in the next verse it is done. As I said he brings us back to the present moment with John. For some reason you can't see that.
He then goes on to say what will happen to those who overcome and those who don't. So taking all that into context we see that definitely the second death is just that -the death of the soul. Which is a witness to his earlier teaching on that's what we need to fear.
If I remember, you mean we are to fear God who is able to kill /destroy/ both the body and the soul , right ?Which is a witness to his earlier teaching on that's what we need to fear.
I do indeed consider the end of the book. This is as I said Christ is talking in the present tense.In your haste to inform me of your "superior" knowledge you failed to consider the end of the book.
The last book, last chapter no more death, no more salvation
Revelation 22:10-11
(10) And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
(11) He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.Still unjust, still filthy not dead.
Revelation 22:15
(15) For without [outside the New Jerusalem] are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.Still dogs, sorcerers, whoremongers, murderers, idolaters and liars not dead. Six more verses the end.
The right to the tree of life !!!!!!!!!!!I do indeed consider the end of the book. This is as I said Christ is talking in the present tense.
Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
That's my point to his earlier teaching. That's what we need to fear, yes, God that can destroy both body and soul in hell. I probably worded that wrong. But it points to the death of the soul and not the death of our flesh body which is what we shouldn't fear.f I remember, you mean we are to fear God who is able to kill /destroy/ both the body and the soul , right ?
Yes,It specifically states, "Blessed are they "that do" his commandments, they they "may" have the right to the tree of life and "may" enter in..." Meaning it hasn't happened yet. We know this happens on Judgement Day.
Nah, it's all wording out perfectlyI probably worded that wrong.
Is there a Greek word for ANIHILATION ?"..... but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord." Romans 12:19
"........their day of disaster is near and their doom rushes upon them". Deuteronomy 32:35
Annihilation seems very peaceful, the total opposite of experiencing wrath. Annihilation is basically resting in eternal peace, a peaceful soothing eternal sleep. Annihilation means the wicked unbelievers wont have to endure any punishment in the afterlife. Annihilation seems like more of a blessing than a curse. Annihilation seems more like Gods grace rather than his wrath. If your trying to convince people that Gods wrath is peaceful eternal sleep, then Gods wrath is a gracious peaceful reward for the wicked. Absolutely no eternal consequences for the wicked unbeliever. Eternal sleep is a gift, not a consequence, not a punishment. No reason to fear Gods wrath. If you don't go to Heaven it wont matter because you wont know what your missing, you wont feel regret, remorse or pain, you wont feel anything. Is that what the Bible really teaches ??
Is there a Greek word for ANIHILATION ?
And what does Luke 16:23 , 24 , 26 , and in Rev 20:10 is to me VERY PLAIN , what are your thoughts ?
dan p
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