Becaue the Word of God is the answer to all things, and it is the guidebook for life.. But since you ask, I had a discussion with a friend a few days ago.
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Animals don't have FEELINGS!
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I am positive that science < bible. God made everything, including the ability to try to explain Him away with silly notions such as "First there was nothing, then it exploded". So I count on science, which keeps proving itself wrong, exactly zero. I am new to this area, but isn't the web address is [url]http://www.christian-forums.com/...[/url] Aren't there any Christians here?
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Talcos Stormweaver
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Do remember that this is a christian forum. You may cause some to suffer from your comment.
Well, on the subject, I feel that it is inevitable that animals do have feelings, by the definition of the word. However, it is harder to tell if they possess the cognitive afterthought that humans do, inasmuch as we think in abstract terms more often than animals would, especially when it comes to such subjects as death. I am not saying that animals can not think abstractly, but I am saying that their thoughts are more concrete and realistic in nature the majority of the time.
Yes, quite agreed, it is our guidebook of life. However, no, the Word of God is not the answer to all things. The infinite knowledge of God and the massive variety of information could never fit into a tome so small. It tells us of morality, justice, and salvation...
However, it does not inform us on many specifics in the realm of science or logical deduction as often as it does teach of the wisdom of God.
For example, you will not find Nobel Gas laws in the Bible. That is because it is a scientific deduction. However, we do know that there is much before us to be discovered with the light that is the glory of God. As we uncover the many workings of the universe, we are simply progressing beyond what God gave us, a blueprint for our lives (or a guidebook, if you prefer).
On the subject of animals...
(Ecclesiastes 3.19)
"For the fate of humans and the fate of animals is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They have the same breath, and humans ahave no advantage over the animals; for all is vanity."
The only useful quote I could find.
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Talcos Stormweaver
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- Yes, it does keep on proving itself wrong. That is because as new discoveries are made, we must change our ideologies to better understand the world around us.
- Germ Theory. Have you ever taken a vaccination, or some other anti-biotic? The lesson learned is that science, although forged by man, is still a reliable source of information when taken in correctly. It answers the how, the bible answers why.
- Yes, you are surrounded by Christians.
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Talcos Stormweaver
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This may be the most ridiculous point of view I've ever heard. Whatever you think of the bible, however valuable it is to you, to say it is "the answer to all things" is simply ludicrous. Science, history, mathematics...virtually every academic discipline is full of things we have discovered which are not in the bible. The bible may well be the answer to many important questions...it is NOT the "answer to all things".robnewbold said:
And the bible might be considered to be a guidebook...but if so, it's a very poor one, as witness the myriad number of interpretations it has. For a start, people can't even agree on whether or not Jesus was divine based on the gospels. And the first criteria for a guidebook is that it be clear. The bible ain't.
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Bushido216 said:
I'm not sure how another creature's self-awareness would cause human's to lose their "specialness"
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Well, not really. It doesn't explain calculus for example.
Yes, animals have emotions. Not all, of course, but animals have emotions. Even so, remember we are an animal too.
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Thank you, Bushido216. It took a while to read through all of the heresies, but I am glad that someone is at least trying to help me with this. Look, I didn't ask for anyone's opionion on the matter. I posted this in the wrong place anyway. All I asked for was Bible verses that support my point of view. So far, no one has said anything that has made me think twice, or even once, about what the Word of God says. I am so tempted to take on the strange things I hear here, but I don't think I should. I found the right place to post my question, so I thank you all for your attempts at helping me with this. Take care, and God Bless!
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I don't see it either, infact, I support the position that my animals have emotions.Annabel Lee said:I'm not sure how another creature's self-awareness would cause human's to lose their "specialness"
However, alot of Christians seem to support that view, and it seems as though robnewold holds that position as well.
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I think he thought the bible said somewhere that animals were not aware, and was asking for help in finding the correct verse.Data said:
So he based his views on scripture and is now trying to find out which scripture he based them on. If that makes sense.
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