Animal Intelligence Tests

[MorkandMindy]

Does anyone know if Genesis 3 v1 has been proven true:

' 1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.'

and by which tests?



Note added June 19: 'Serpent' appears to be an archaic term for 'snake':

Genesis 3 (Contemporary English Version)1The snake was sneakier than any of the other wild animals that the LORD God had made. One day it came to the woman and asked, "Did God tell you not to eat fruit from any tree in the garden?"

Note added July 14

Matthew 10 v16: 'Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.' So the New Testament backs up the Old Testament as snakes are given as the prime example of wisdom in Matthew.

Again, if humans want to study animal intelligence there is clear Biblical proof that the the animals to study are not some gibbering chimps but snakes

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[Chesterton]

It can't be tested unless you have access to that serpent. It says "the serpent", not "serpents".

 

[MorkandMindy]

The African Elephant is the largest land animal.

An adult male typically reaches 5.4 tonnes but some reach weights as high as 6.8 tonnes.

 

[Chesterton]

I have a cookie.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does anyone know if Genesis 3 v1 has been proven true:

' 1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.'

and by which tests?

Genesis 3:1 is already true -- (it isn't true because it was written, it was written because it's true).

And the serpent in this case was a dragon.

 

[MorkandMindy]

So do I

It is a rather special cookie, it is the very one broken by AV1611VET while explaining something about the Grand Canyon.

The HTTP cookie is a different entity altogether.

The snake is an elongate legless, carnivorous reptile. Being a reptile it is an air-breathing tetrapod that reproduces using tough shelled amniotic eggs which are in many cases laid but in some species hatch internally resulting in live birth.

 

[Chesterton]

So do I

It is a rather special cookie, it is the very one broken by AV1611VET while explaining something about the Grand Canyon.

The HTTP cookie is a different entity altogether.

The snake is an elongate legless, carnivorous reptile. Being a reptile it is an air-breathing tetrapod that reproduces using tough shelled amniotic eggs which are in many cases laid but in some species hatch internally resulting in live birth.

In the U.S. alone last year, more than three lawnmowers were produced.

 

[Hespera]

Does anyone know if Genesis 3 v1 has been proven true:

' 1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made.'

and by which tests?

my boyfriend has a "pet" snake. it doesnt fool me for a minute.

 

[MorkandMindy]

It can't be tested unless you have access to that serpent. It says "the serpent", not "serpents".

The African Elephant is the largest land animal.

An adult male typically reaches 5.4 tonnes but some reach weights as high as 6.8 tonnes.

I don't think the argument based on just the use of the singular vs plural is convincing since both are acceptable in English.

What the Hebrew means I don't know and could clinch the case one way or the other. On the other hand since there are differences in most texts and interpretations it is also entirely possible that it won't.

Genesis 3:1 is already true -- (it isn't true because it was written, it was written because it's true).

And the serpent in this case was a dragon.

The comparison in Gen 3 with the beasts of the field suggests to me that it is another creature and nothing supernatural.

If it is still around we should easily spot it because it will be sliding around on it's belly.

 

[AV1611VET]

The comparison in Gen 3 with the beasts of the field suggests to me that it is another creature and nothing supernatural.

Who said it was supernatural?

Lucifer waited until Eve was in proximity of the Tree of Knowledge, then he entered what I think was Eve's favorite pet animal, the dragon, and started dialoging with her.

If it is still around we should easily spot it because it will be sliding around on it's belly.

You don't think Lucifer stayed inside this dragon-turned-serpent, do you?

 

[Chesterton]

I don't think the argument based on just the use of the singular vs plural is convincing since both are acceptable in English.

What the Hebrew means I don't know and could clinch the case one way or the other. On the other hand since there are differences in most texts and interpretations it is also entirely possible that it won't.

Beyond any shadow of a doubt, you're absolutely right, or absolutely wrong, or something else.

 

[MorkandMindy]

Who said it was supernatural?

Lucifer waited until Eve was in proximity of the Tree of Knowledge, then he entered what I think was Eve's favorite pet animal, the dragon, and started dialoging with her.

You don't think Lucifer stayed inside this dragon-turned-serpent, do you?

Did Lucifer enter the dragon which then became a serpent?

 

[Gracchus]

Did Lucifer enter the dragon which then became a serpent?

Yeah! The dragon met his match! (Matches used to be called "lucifers".) Must be why dragons are said to breath fire... so why don't serpents?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did Lucifer enter the dragon which then became a serpent?

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[LifeToTheFullest!]

Did Lucifer enter the dragon which then became a serpent?

No, Bruce Lee entered the dragon! And pwned.

 

[corvus_corax]

I don't think the argument based on just the use of the singular vs plural is convincing since both are acceptable in English.

What the Hebrew means I don't know and could clinch the case one way or the other. On the other hand since there are differences in most texts and interpretations it is also entirely possible that it won't.

This is interesting, and I'm asking native speakers and Judaism followers (actually Judaism followers who are native speakers) for an inside idea of what this text specifically means (ie- one specific creature, or a general class of creatures)
Since they (I would guess) have the greatest grasp of Bereshit (you know, being not only believers, but also native speakers), I await their insight.

 

[corvus_corax]

No, Bruce Lee entered the dragon! And pwned.

Win post is win!!!

But I'm still checking into what I mentioned

 

[corvus_corax]

Bedtime for Bonzo here.
Hopefully I'll get an answer from the native speakers who follow religious Judaism, and see if they have any insight into this whole "serpent" thing.

Til tomorrow my fellow forumites

 

[Chesterton]

This is interesting, and I'm asking native speakers and Judaism followers (actually Judaism followers who are native speakers) for an inside idea of what this text specifically means (ie- one specific creature, or a general class of creatures)
Since they (I would guess) have the greatest grasp of Bereshit (you know, being not only believers, but also native speakers), I await their insight.

For my part, I was just joking when I made the comment about singular vs. plural. I thought the OP was being tongue-in-cheek about pretending that Genesis is actually making a scientific statement about the intelligence of snakes. But maybe he was serious, I don't know.

 

[MorkandMindy]

For my part, I was just joking when I made the comment about singular vs. plural. I thought the OP was being tongue-in-cheek about pretending that Genesis is actually making a scientific statement about the intelligence of snakes. But maybe he was serious, I don't know.

That's all right then, for a bit I thought you were speaking with forked tongue