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And what if Jesus was black?

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Serapha

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Hi there!

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**My thought**


Jesus Christ probably was not black although there is a reference to Christ with "hair like wool" and feet of bronze, which would possibly indicate Christ was black.


The reason that I would believe that Christ was not black is because people flocked to him, yet the Roman government did not know him. If Christ were a black man, and people flocked to him, that would have been noticeable.


There is no indication that any of the people (tombs excavated) at Nazareth (Israel) were other than Jewish heritage, short in stature, more slight built... which would indicate the dark olive skin, dark hair, etc... with a population estimation of less than 500 for first-century Nazareth, anyone of Black African descent would have stuck out like a sore thumb.


And "a black Messiah".... that would have created havoc for the Jewish people who were "discriminating" to say the least.


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Serapha said:
Jesus Christ probably was not black although there is a reference to Christ with "hair like wool" and feet of bronze, which would possibly indicate Christ was black.
I personally believe He was dark skinned as modern Middle Easterners or maybe a bit darker. If He was descended from David through Solomon then He had some black blood as I believe the Hittites were black and Bathsheba was most likely a Hittite since Uriah was a Hittite. I'm not dogmatic about that however, just an opinion.

Also from the reference in Revelation, the comparison to wool is referring to the color of His hair, not its texture and the reference to His feet being like brass seems to indicate that they were shining brightly "as if they burned in a furnace" but like everyone else has said, it makes no difference. If He were of pure African blood, He would love me no less or I, Him.

Incidentally, I used the same distinction on a predominately black forum once to point out why I didn't believe He was pure African and I was accused of "taking away from the Word of God." :sigh:

Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.


 
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There was a group of scientists who attempted to put together a very general model, based upon very general info on genetics, excavation of sites were bones of people of similar genetic background were found. The picture of what they came up with was published in Popular Mechanics of all things....i will try to find it. They were NOT proposing "Hey this is Jesus" but rather "This is what he might have looked like in general."
 
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heinous_z said:
Well--why not? It's not like we have a photo. I think he was. Makes sense. If not black, then definitely Arab. There's no way in hell that he was this blonde-haired, blue-eyed caucasian that most picture books point him out to be. The man was a Middle-Easterner. But hey--if you can prove me wrong without ranting and giving me pages of the Bible, then I'll listen. Note: His race matters naught to me--I just want to hear what your answers to this proposition are. :)
Well, I think he was probably of olive complexion and perhaps even with dark hair. Aren't those characteristics common through most people native to the Middle East? Mainly because when He was a child, God sent Him, Joseph, and Mary into Egypt to hide from King Herod. So, I figure He must have been able to blend in.

Overall, it really matters not. But it does remind me of a funny story. When I was in 3rrd grade, a student (a white boy) brought in a book to share. The teacher began to read the book, and she had the book turned away from herself so that we could see the pictures. It was a book about the life of Jesus.

Well, I looked and listened in confusion, but by about the 5th page, I raised my hand and said, "Excuse me, but I don't see Jesus."

"Here He is" my teacher said, as she pointed to someone of obvious African descent. Well, needless to say, I was SHOCKED. :) I just knew that lightening would come from teh sky to strike that teacher and the littel boy for daring to say that Jesus may have been Black.

The funny part is, that I am Black! LOL But I guess that just goes to show how engrained we can be in our own thinking about what Jesus looked like.
 
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Truth be told.



My Personal Feelings on this is I think everyone should look upon Jesus as being his or her own skin color, because to Jesus, your skin color makes no difference.



Regardless of what Jesus skin color was, it would make no difference on racism, or peoples personal opinions



All it would have done in the end of things would have given people who are, or want an excuse to be, raciest, to insult Christians all the more.



Now, in the end of things, if Jesus was any color, be from Apple Red, to Zebra Black, it would not make one lick of difference.



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Suzannah said:
There was a group of scientists who attempted to put together a very general model, based upon very general info on genetics, excavation of sites were bones of people of similar genetic background were found. The picture of what they came up with was published in Popular Mechanics of all things....i will try to find it. They were NOT proposing "Hey this is Jesus" but rather "This is what he might have looked like in general."
I saw that magazine and did not like it. They made him look like some dumb goof. I do not think they had the most Christian intentions in that article.
 
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billwald said:
Technically, Arabs, Egyptians . . . people from the Indian sub-continant are caucasian.
I dont want to start any sort of debate (the Lord would not want us arguing over his skin color) but I just want to point out that Caucasian means west of the Caucis mountains, and I'm pretty sure this only applies to Europeans, and some Turks. Arabs and Egyptians are Semitic, just like Jews. And Indians are Indian, although you are correct in that some of them have Caucasian features (even blue eyes), this was due to a migration a long long time ago.
 
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Ques ; What Did These Arheologist Notice ?
The first thing they noticed was that The Skull was more round than the present day Inhabitors of Jerusalem . The people who call themselves Israelis Today Are Not The Original People From Israel . The Round WaSkull s The Kind Of Face That You Find In North Africa , Egypt . These Are The Features Of Nubia In Sudan And Egypt . Those people you see in Egypt today are not the Indigenous Nubians / Blacks / Negroids . They Are Turks '' Caucasians , '' Dr. Mark Goodcar Stated That Yashua , Isa , Jesus Had A Short and curly afro . Which Is Nubians / Blacks / Negroid, This Statements That Are Being Said Are Not Racist Especially When It Is Caucasians Who Are Finding These Facts . He Also Stated That Yashua , Isa , Jesus Hair Was Black And Short , Not Long , In 1Corinthians 11 - 14 - 15 ;... Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. ;... Yet , Yashua , Isa , Jesus , is depicted as having shoulder - length hair . But The Holy Bible right there says that would be a shame . So I Ask You Which Yashua , Isa , Jesus , does , Saul , Shool , Paul follow and have you following ? Get That False Yashua , Isa , Jesus Image Out Your Homes , Churches , Offices , Remove Those Tattoos . That's The Image Of The Beast . This Is Saul . Shool . Paul . Own Racism Carried On To This Day . Saul Shaool . Paul . Is Like A Flickering Flame. He Flickers Back And Forth . One Moment He's Supposedly Receiving Messages From Yashua , Isa , Jesus . The' Next Moment He Does Thing Contrary To Yashua , Isa , Jesus ,
OverStand ;.... In The Epistle to Corinthians It States That It Is Disgraceful For A Man To Have Long Hair '' Fur '' The Picture Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Has A WomanHairstyle . These Were Supposedly Men Who Walked With Yashua , Isa , Jesus ;... Yashua , Isa , Jesus , However We Do Know That Saul , Shool , Paul Never Walked With Yashua , Isa , Jesus , If Yashua , Isa , Jesus did have long hair , then it would be deceitful for Yashua , Isa , Jesus , disciple to preach differently . So In No Way Would Yashua , Isa , Jesus Have Long Hair . That Is Another Yashua , Isa ,Jesus ;.... Rev. Dr. Tom Wright ,
A Caucasian Theologian also agrees that Yashua , Isa , Jesus was a Nubian / Black / Negroid / man with short , Afro - Hair and a short black beard .All Of Them Agree That The Many Picture Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus Today are not the true likeness . He Was Dark - Skinned With Nappy Hair , like all the original tribes of Abraham . Dr. Joe Zias , an Archeologist , Dr. Gloria Moss , A Historian , Dr Sue Minter . A Curator , And Professor James H . Charlesworth , A Princeton Theologian , Were Also Featured On This Tape And All Agreed To The Physical Description Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus Of The Judean Tribe . ;... Now That Your Archeologists Have Discovered The Bones Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Family , We Are Grateful For These New Facts . But It Doesn't Change How We Feel About Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Being The Son Of God . However , the image of Yashua , Isa, Jesus Changes the Visible Image of the Invisible Gods , it says ias n Colossians 1 ; 15 ;...
And Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Said ''' He that seen me hath seen the father ...
( John 14 ; 9 ) ;..
Go back to Genesis 6 ; 3 , when Elohyeem '' God '' says '' My spirit shall not always strive with man , for that he also is flesh ;.... And Then Further back to Genesis 1 ; 2 , The Spirit of Elohyeem '' God '' not God himself or Elohyeem themselves , this was Yashua , Isa , Jesus , John 3 ; 13 - 16 , John 6 ; 33 - 38 , John 17 ; 5 , And now , O father , glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was ;... Yes , Yashua , Isa , Jesus was within Yahayyu as an Elohyeem before while they were being formed . He was a spirit being before he became flesh Genesis 1 ; 27 And 5 ; 2 ;... '' God ( Elohyeem ) created man ( Adam ) in his image andafter his likeness . And then when we LQQk in John 1 ; 14 ;... It Says The Word Was Made Flesh , Which Is Yashua , Isa . Jesus the word of God ( Elohyeem ) . By virtue of the fact that God ( Elohyeem ) said that Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Christ is the visible image , it means that he can be seen with the physical eye , You can see his body and to say , Believe thou not that I am in the Father , and the Father in me ? The words that I speak unto you I i Speak not of myself ; but The Father That Dwelleth In Me , he doeth the works '' ;... As It States In John 14 ; 10 ;... refers to his phusical appearance with the Ruakh = '' Soul '' Of Yahayyu In Him Making Him Nephesh = '' Spirit '' And Bashr = '' Flesh '' Son of Elohyeem '' God '' , Son Of Man . Again ,
It was caucaians who uncovered this information andmade it public , therefore it Cannot Be Taken As Racism . ;... We must worship Elyon El '' The Most High God '' in spirit and in truth ( John 4 ; 24 ) Is that Yashua , Isa , Jesus we are worshipping ? No . John 14 ; 6 , '' Jesus saith unto him , I am the way , the truth and the life ; no man cometh unto the Father , But by me , But if we want anything from the Father John 15 ; 16 , '' Ye have not chosen me, but I Have chosen you , and ordained you , that ye should go and bring forth fruit , and that your fruit should remain ; that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name , he may give it You .
It says clearly in The Holy Bible that no man has seen Elyon El '' The Most High God '' John 1 ; 18 , And that Elyon El '' The Most God '' is the Father Galatian 4 ; 6 , Who art Heaven Matthew 6 ; 9 ;... What's Sad is that The Holy Bibles today are in English from Latin And Greek . Some even from Geman translation and the word God is Misused and Mixed Up with Lord Yahayyu ( Lord ) Elohyeem ( Gods ) got mixed up , Yahayyu is in Heaven as the Lord God or the Yahayyu of the Elohyeem which are Plural Gods or Judges According To Online Bible Strog's Number 0403 elohiym < Aramic / Hebrew meaning plural rulers , judges . divine ones . So now God is used throughout The Holy Bible and Lord is mixed up . There is a distinction beteween the Unseen ( The Father ) called the El Elyown for the Most High God , Psalms 82 ; 6 . And Yashua . Isa . Jesus As The Visible image of the Invisible God and you being adopted Sons Of God Galatian 4 ; 5 , And heirs to the Kingdom of God Galatians 4 ; 7 , As In Revelation 21 ; 1 , There is a distinction being made . It is clear that there is a holy seed that is related to ( God ) Elohyeem through Yashua , Isa , Jesus Christ and there's an unholy seed Elohyeem related to the Serpent through Lucifer Genesis 3 ; 15 . And Yashua . Isa , Jesus Christ called The unholy seed The Goat Or Rams Matthew 25 ; 32 And He Called The Holy Seed , Sheep , Or Lambs . Therefore . This Is The Time Of The Harvest And The Holy Seed , The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel Matthew 10 ; 5 - 6 ;... The Tribe Of Judah Must Be Called . We Are A Visble Image Of Our Invisible Heavenly Father . < As I Have Said Many Many Time Before
Don't Believe Me Check It Out ForYourself You Can Do Your Own Research And Write , Call Or E mail These Television Stations And Websites And Receive The Same Documentaries Now That White People Are Finally Admitting That Yashua , Isa , Jesus Was Undoubtedly Nubians / Blacks Negroid . Maybe Now You Will Believe It ;...
 
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Key said:
Truth be told.



My Personal Feelings on this is I think everyone should look upon Jesus as being his or her own skin color, because to Jesus, your skin color makes no difference.



Regardless of what Jesus skin color was, it would make no difference on racism, or peoples personal opinions



All it would have done in the end of things would have given people who are, or want an excuse to be, raciest, to insult Christians all the more.



Now, in the end of things, if Jesus was any color, be from Apple Red, to Zebra Black, it would not make one lick of difference.



Key



Right!
 
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ps139 said:
I saw that magazine and did not like it. They made him look like some dumb goof. I do not think they had the most Christian intentions in that article.
I didn't like it either...I was just posting about it in the interests of complete discussion....I also thought he looked rather "goofy"....Anyway, I never did find that picture ont he 'net...probably just as well! ^_^
 
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