An open debate to Atheists on a creator.

[FormerAtheist]

A reasonable response.

I was a bit hasty there. What I was getting at is that bragging about your musical accomplishments is irrelevant in this thread.

You appear to have run out of steam.

If you doubt Geordie Little and anything I or any other composers around the world would say on his behalf I want to direct your attention to just 2 minutes of this video:

21:14 to 23:45

No composer that I am aware of will deny him his due. Not on the strength of that 2 minutes.

We know better.

We know better

 

[FormerAtheist]

I could write a book about Geordie Little because there is so much to say and learn. But I would ask a simple question: Do you think he cares what you think when he is in the moment?

Hahahahaha

No he does not .... I know because when I am in the moment I don't care what you think either and yet I am basically on a fraction of this guy. What he is feeling and dealing with most of us can not know.

Does he need you in order to create? No not really He creates because he has to. I know him on this level I understand it. We can not help it. We have to do what we do and it does not matter what you do. How can this be accounted for in evolution?

I was talking to a great actor earlier today and we talked about this very subject. How is that those of us that can create feel that we must?

Why should we feel this need? Its not like we can do anything other. My actor friend can not do anything other. I can not do anything other. Geordie Little can not do anything other.

We can not help ourselves we must do what we do whether you like it or not. Whether you pay attention or not. The fact that you like what we do is a plus but it is not needed we would still "have" to do it.

Simply put you are not needed. Your presence is not necessary. We will do it with or without you.

Because we don't know of any other way to exist.

how would this be possible?

you can't explain this on this level no one can. I talk with the greatest composers in the world we all know there is something deep going on beyond us ... uhhh duh.

Just saying.

 

[FormerAtheist]

Bells of Bochorum makes me laugh because I remember the time I spent on working on that song to develop it for the Hidden Gems project. Watching him do it live is awesome. I never saw it when I was working on the project. In all honesty all of this is just some kind of geeky fun for me ... the ability to relive something for me that was great. I had the opportunity to work with people like Geordie Little and so many others. All of them were amazing. "the island" is still one of my favorite songs that was a collaboration between a female cello player and a male German composer ... who would know that ... well it worked times ten and you can see that in hidden gems off of soundcloud.

but the truth is most would never even know any of this.

Its all just lost and meaningless right?

I don't think so.

I refuse to think that.

The music I create that I give to everyone for free is not in vain or so I think. You can download all of my music I have never had a problem with that. But the energy that I put into creating it ... was it for nothing?

I don't think so.

but in the end it wouldn't matter ... your presence is not necessary ... I will create because I have to.

We all have to ....

 

[FormerAtheist]

I want to put something else out there I had two conversations today. One with a great actor and another with a great composer and there was something that was said in both conversations and this is something that is never talked about.

Human Contact:

Do we need it?
Of course there were experiments done that showed that if you deny a human baby touch by another human then that thing will die. This biological thing must have contact with its own kind. This may sound strange but it is what it is. So then other experiments where done and it was found that if you were to deny this biological form (human) contact on a certain level it will survive but will be different. At that point "it" becomes a physchophath.

very interesting that a bag of molecules ... animal would need something beyond just food. But for some reason it does. And if this "thing" does not get it then it will become an unfeeling creature for the rest of its existence.

why is it that humans think they can love this little "thing" and show it something and talk to it and so on?

Does it transfer to any meaning?

Apparently yes.

And yet we can not account for this in the rest of the animal kingdom and even if we could this would still be a problem in that why is that some life forms need more then just sex?

What is the evolution involved beyond just sex?

Are you just a product of just sex?

If you are then I would say you need to look deeper. You must look deeper. We all must look deeper then just food, bathroom, sex.

We are deeper then that.

 

[FormerAtheist]

One for my ex... I could care less if anyone hears my music or videos but yet ... its fun that some of it might get an air ... this one is for my ex hahaha.

Oh my god she would love this ... in fact I will have to call her up on this one she is going to love this hahaha.

 

[Skreeper]

Why are you turning this thread into your personal music blog? We have a sub-forum for that.

This has nothing to do with evolution or creationism.

 

[FormerAtheist]

Why are you turning this thread into your personal music blog? We have a sub-forum for that.

This has nothing to do with evolution or creationism.

Maybe because I am filling space.

You have nothing so I have to do something on your behalf.

Dude I am trying to help you hahaha.

 

[redleghunter]

. I can not do theology or bible debates as I am not a Christian buy I can do science because the science is easy. It leads ti God.

You are not a Christian? You show non denominational.

 

[FormerAtheist]

You are not a Christian? You show non denominational.

I don't know what to do.

I know the science and the math. But beyond that I have serious issues inside. I struggle. I don't know what to do. I don't what to make of this.

But I am liking the journey because it is amazing and it makes love life and science and math.

 

[FormerAtheist]

I don't know what to do.

I know the science and the math. But beyond that I have serious issues inside. I struggle. I don't know what to do. I don't what to make of this.

But I am liking the journey because it is amazing and it makes love life and science and math.

I want to say this many times though that even though I don't know what to do I don't believe in a "new age" religion. This is offensive to me and it does not work with what I know. A quasi feels good kind of religion could be much more dangerous then the atheist religion. I don't know what we are supposed to do once we know there is a "designer" but I do know that the idea of a half religion is pathetic.

I want no part of that.

 

[Skreeper]

Dude I am trying to help you hahaha.

Helping me with what? Are you trying to get me to buy your music or the music of your "acquaintances"?

So far you are not very successful.

 

[Skreeper]

I want to say this many times though that even though I don't know what to do I don't believe in a "new age" religion. This is offensive to me and it does not work with what I know. A quasi feels good kind of religion could be much more dangerous then the atheist religion. I don't know what we are supposed to do once we know there is a "designer" but I do know that the idea of a half religion is pathetic.

I want no part of that.

I have never heard of this atheist religion. Please tell us more.

 

[FormerAtheist]

Why are you turning this thread into your personal music blog? We have a sub-forum for that.

This has nothing to do with evolution or creationism.

Oh I don't agree I think it has everything to do with evolution and every reason why you don't like me doing it.

You hate this. Seeing creation in your face. Guess what that's what small humans like me do on a daily basis and some other lar

Helping me with what? Are you trying to get me to buy your music or the music of your "acquaintances"?

So far you are not very successful.

You know I wont allow you to deny true creation right?

I will let you put some posts for now then I will put GnetSound or Geordie back in your face hahaha ... just because I know you don't like it lol.

Nothing can account for her or him she is from where?

Philippian's ... but you wouldn't know that ... these facts can come out slowly lol.

he is from? Australia.

Crazy.

Just for fun.

 

[Gene2memE]

I say this out of concern and with no malice: seek counselling and help.

Please.

Your recent communications make it genuinely appear that seeking the help of a mental health professional would be in your best interests.

 

[FormerAtheist]

I say this out of concern and with no malice: seek counselling and help.

Please.

Your recent communications make it genuinely appear that seeking the help of a mental health professional would be in your best interests.

What "professional" would you direct me to? You mean the ones that are themselves completely and utterly flipped upside down? Those that need the most help?
Would you put me on meds?
It was suggested to my mom when I was young because I was "different" and she said no.
Now we know that those meds actually have serious problems with those that take them.

I never did.

What if no one ever did what you recommend?

What if we don't "seek" some help? But instead just think and ask questions for ourselves. Who do you think you are that you can tell me that I need to seek help? Even if you had some credentials would it even matter at this point? No it wouldn't because we are dealing with a society that is broken.

You have nothing that solve my brokenness. I have nothing that can do anything for you either.

It is illogical in a broken society for anyone to say that they have the answer unless you want to point to something more ancient and maybe proven like Christianity.

Maybe Christianity has the answers ... dunno.

 

[FormerAtheist]

I say this out of concern and with no malice: seek counselling and help.

Please.

Your recent communications make it genuinely appear that seeking the help of a mental health professional would be in your best interests.

Ever watch Rick and Morty?

I bet you do.

What would counseling do for me and what would this person mean?

Can this person help me write a better song?

Doubt it.

No they could do nothing for me but they could possibly put a dent in their debt after I pay them 200 an hour lol.

Or I would rather just do what I do. I don't need them and neither do you.

You are something amazing that has a purpose. You are not a bag of molecules floating through the universe. I don't care what you have been told .. you were told a lie.

Live you life and do something!
Don't believe you are random this is stupid.

 

[FormerAtheist]

I know the atheist side of this will regroup ... but lets look at the timeline you were knocked off balance. So now you have to come back. There is no other way.

You must come back and you will.

But .... I saw your weakness in this thread.

You should not have done that.

 

[Gene2memE]

Ever watch Rick and Morty?

I bet you do.

You'd lose the bet. Although I like some of Dan Harmon's other stuff.

What would counseling do for me and what would this person mean?

For one, they might advise you against wildly erratic posting on an internet message board, and the impulse control that goes along with that.

You are something amazing that has a purpose. You are not a bag of molecules floating through the universe.

Why cant I be both. I can be both a bag of molecules floating through the universe AND have a purpose. There's no inherent contradiction in that.

Live you life and do something!
Don't believe you are random this is stupid.

I've got a family, a company, hobbies and friends. I'm doing plenty of stuff. It doesn't matter if I'm a random assemblage of molecules or not, its what I do that matters.

And right now, I think it matters that I advise you again to seek some counselling.

 

[FormerAtheist]

You'd lose the bet. Although I like some of Dan Harmon's other stuff.



For one, they might advise you against wildly erratic posting on an internet message board, and the impulse control that goes along with that.



Why cant I be both. I can be both a bag of molecules floating through the universe AND have a purpose. There's no inherent contradiction in that.




I've got a family, a company, hobbies and friends. I'm doing plenty of stuff. It doesn't matter if I'm a random assemblage of molecules or not, its what I do that matters.

And right now, I think it matters that I advise you again to seek some counselling.

Nice ... I would even say good but yet ... no

If you are a random bag of molecules then you are a random bag of molecules lol.

Dude accept it.

You are nothing ... we are nothing ... everything is nothing

I know atheism ... this is what it is .. you can try and work around it but this is what it is.

You want to work on me? Look in the mirror.

Atheism is the thing that will make you need "therapy".

 

[Jimmy D]

If you think that I am ignorant I am ok with that. In fact I don't really care. And so let me help you. I am ignorant. I am nothing. I am garbage. I am a random bag of molecules floating through the universe and so are you.

In the end you are not above me.

I am not above you.

So what?

I didn't say or imply anything remotely like that. I said that your musical interests have no relevance to the thrust of the thread - i.e all your supposed evidence for "science leading to God".

Geordie Little in his environment .. He is intimading to those of us that really know what he is doing. He is on another level. Simply put he is beyond the rest of us.

It is what it is and we all accepted it. Notice in that video that there is only like 140 views ... its just him on a street corner lol. But also notice him wowing people with 10s of thousands of hits but does that tell the true picture?

No it does not. He is respected across the entire planet by world class composers we all know him and we are all in awe of him.

Frankly it does not matter what anyone thinks he is king.

What can be said of him? Sheeze I dunno. Everyone that has any talent that has ever been exposed to him is in awe.

What do you say when you are in the presence of genius?

Its a difficult thing I have been there not once but many times. It is a humbling thing. Simply put some humans are operating on a higher level. And it is uncomfortable when you are in their competitive field.

What can account for Geordie Little? What makes a human do this amazing thing? What makes us stop and be amazed by him?

I don't know but I do know this ... he is beyond the rest of us.

I have "little" interest in Geordie Little.